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07-11-2005, 07:29 AM
In short they contend that stem cell research is unethical, but in the same breath, they like the thought of adding genes from roaches to our tomatoes, pig genes in humans,adinfinitum, the fact is their bowing to big pharma, who doesnt want a quick fix, to cure desease.
In the future though, we will be getting the benefits from the research, but it will most likely come from asia, who doesnt throw out the excess embryos.

Ahmad
07-11-2005, 07:51 AM
peace,

It is no different than killing an unarmed civilian for no reason, abortion, in vitro fertilization and therapeutic cloning and the latest innovation stem cell research all involve killing a living embryo.

[17:33] You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder, he will be helped.

[6:137] Thus were the idol worshipers duped by their idols, to the extent of killing their own children. In fact, their idols inflict great pain upon them, and confuse their religion for them.
Had GOD willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

[6:140] Losers indeed are those who killed their children foolishly, due to their lack of knowledge, and prohibited what GOD has provided for them, and followed innovations attributed to GOD. They have gone astray; they are not guided.

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Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell#Embryonic_stem_cell_ethical_debate)

A blastocyst is a stage of development of an embryo when it is around five days old and made up of about 100 cells. A blastocyst at the stage at which embryonic stem cells would be extracted is still young enough to be able to divide into two embryos, making identical twins, or in rare cases, merge with another blastocyst, even one of the opposite sex[1], to create a chimera, an individual comprised of populations of cells with two different sets of DNA. From the biological point of view, these points mean the blastocyst is not yet an individual. Blastocysts are an early developmental stage far from possessing a nervous system, and thus biologically speaking do not have feelings.

Embryonic stem cells are cultured cells obtained from the inner mass cells of a blastocyst. Embryonic stem cell research is still in the basic research phase. Research with embryonic stem cells derived from humans is controversial because, in order to start a stem cell 'line' or lineage, it requires the destruction of a blastocyst (an embryo that has not yet grown beyond 150 cells), which some people believe to be human beings.

07-11-2005, 07:57 AM
but for the fact their still killing,because they throw them away, I think that God would much more like to see the world be desease free, rather than waste a possible gift to the many afflicted

Ahmad
07-11-2005, 08:53 AM
peace,

So if you have two brothers, one with an incurable disease and the other is yet to be born, would you sacrifice the living brother to cure the dying one?

07-11-2005, 09:05 AM
my point is that it is excess from the fetal tissue, your not killing a future family member, this is not going to produce another being unless they use it for cloning, which I am against

Ahmad
07-11-2005, 09:10 AM
peace again,

what do you mean by "excess from the fetal tissue" ?

07-11-2005, 09:39 AM
Umbilical cord, excess fluids. forgive the spelling ?

Dreak
07-11-2005, 01:24 PM
erm..there selling forskin online for cell reproducing tissue ?? WTF ??

does that mean my newborn that we agreed to have Circumcised in the hospital is being sold around the globe for stem cell..or clone research ?????

EEK Dreak

07-11-2005, 05:42 PM
Dreak wrote:
erm..there selling forskin online for cell reproducing tissue ?? WTF ??

does that mean my newborn that we agreed to have Circumcised in the hospital is being sold around the globe for stem cell..or clone research ?????

EEK Dreak

Oh, congradulations on your newborn. He must be very new. Doesn't a cirucmcision take place within a day or two?

Can you provide a link to this selling of foreskin online?

Or, cut and paste, if you'd like?

07-11-2005, 06:44 PM
I cant believe you said cut and paste on the topic of foreskins

07-11-2005, 07:25 PM
WHY?

Dreak said that the selling of foreskin was happening on line.

I just asked him for PROOF!!!

I mean, why say what he said, if it isn't true unless you're well really out there!!!

07-11-2005, 07:26 PM
What are you talking about?

Are you like having some traumatic memory from being cut or something?

The cut and paste reference was made because he complained about people here doing that.

That's all.

Think you're reading into this way too much!!

07-11-2005, 07:30 PM
You must all know by now that I hate misspellings. Sometimes, I get lazy and don't go for the dictionary and hope it's minor and no one will notice.

But, when I've posted and go back to the post and see that the EDIT function is GONE, but there are typos in my comments, well, it just drives me up a wall.

SORRY, but that's just how I am....

Take me or leave me.....

igwt
07-12-2005, 05:22 AM
Dreak wrote:
erm..there selling forskin online for cell reproducing tissue ?? WTF ??

does that mean my newborn that we agreed to have Circumcised in the hospital is being sold around the globe for stem cell..or clone research ?????

EEK Dreak

EBay???

Dreak
07-12-2005, 01:31 PM
I was surfing and found a site that sold it.

I cant find it now..but I am looking again.

truebeliever
07-12-2005, 11:32 PM
ALL scientists currently working are borderline, if not fully, sociopaths who believe that scientific progress must advance no matter the consequence.

The mantra of the Elite...the human race will serve science. Science will not serve the human race.

The science controlled by the Elite establishments...which is just about all of them.

I know many scientists. The best ones have all left and now eke out existences on the margins of society driving taxi's and working in the local betting houses helping to launder the local amphetamine dealers drug money.

What did the character of Jeff Goldblums say in the first "Jurassic Park"..."you scientists were so busy deciding if you could, you forgot to ask if you should".

I have spoken with a scientist with a pHD in Genetics and Molecular biology.

He has stated matter of factly that they intend gathering the DNA at birth (they already do) and from that DNA sequence assigning you a number which will be linked to an identity database and your soon to come "Multipass" card from which you will draw your slave credits.

All that is needed is a suitable economic collapse of the fiat money system and a few good bangs in the right places and we will be herded into the electronic gulag.

I believe there was a warning about that somewhere...hmmmm...cant quite remember...and no one shall buy and sell without the mark....or something like that.