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SpyVsSpy
07-28-2005, 11:46 PM
MENSA is bullshit, WHY?

Bouncer
07-29-2005, 07:50 AM
I know someone who got in; she took a test and paid the registration fee. I coulda, you know, taken the test anytime I want but I just don't feel like it. Don't those guys sit around in secret sessions and think stuff up?

nohope187
07-29-2005, 10:04 PM
Well it is a group for elitists, so they verywell could be a bunch of calculating homo's. :-P

07-30-2005, 05:56 PM
Bouncer wrote:
I know someone who got in; she took a test and paid the registration fee. I coulda, you know, taken the test anytime I want but I just don't feel like it. Don't those guys sit around in secret sessions and think stuff up?


So what is MENSA, Bouncer? How come you could have taken the test?

Can anyone take the test???

Do you have to know someone?

How much is the registration fee?

igwt
07-31-2005, 12:11 AM
BlueAngel wrote:

Bouncer wrote:
I know someone who got in; she took a test and paid the registration fee. I coulda, you know, taken the test anytime I want but I just don't feel like it. Don't those guys sit around in secret sessions and think stuff up?


So what is MENSA, Bouncer? How come you could have taken the test?

Can anyone take the test???

Do you have to know someone?

How much is the registration fee?

It's an IQ test, for the very intelligent. A score/IQ -from memory- of 140 or more. Have to be in the two upper percentile (100/99) to join or other words top 2% of population.

In comparison, the average person's IQ score = 100

Shannow
08-05-2005, 12:29 AM
You can do the test and join online.

Dunno what it costs, after the "you would be able to apply to join part".

BTW, IQ of 100 was designed to be the norm, but with increasing literacy and numeracy, it peaked at nearly 127, and is currently running around 122 or thereabouts for the western world.

Arjuna
08-05-2005, 01:03 AM
What Does "IQ" Stand For, and What Does It Mean?
http://www.geocities.com/rnseitz/Definition_of_IQ.html
The average IQ of the population as a whole is, by definition, 100. IQs range from 0 to above 200, and among children, to above 250. However, about 50% of the population have IQs between 89 and 111, and about 80% of the population have IQs ranging between 80 and 120.

see http://www.mensa.org/
Membership in Mensa is open to persons who have attained a score within the upper two percent of the general population on an approved intelligence test that has been properly administered and supervised. There is no other qualification or disqualification for membership eligibility.

The term "IQ score" is widely used but poorly defined. There are a large number of tests with different scales. The result on one test of 132 can be the same as a score 148 on another test. Some intelligence tests don't use IQ scores at all. Mensa has set a percentile as cutoff to avoid this confusion. Candidates for membership in Mensa must achieve a score at or above the 98th percentile (a score that is greater than or equal to 98 percent of the general population taking the test) on a standard test of intelligence.

Here's the average IQ by state according to the Ravens APM:
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~gcharter/iq.txt

Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530
Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

Bouncer
08-05-2005, 08:44 AM
There are many who would deny that test results are consistent across cultural and ethnic lines. For example http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/community/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=83
gives an overview of the history and controversy regarding intelligence testing. I resist the notion that true intelligence is measured with a Eurocentric literary yardstick. Not to be patronizing, but if I said to you, "Yo let's bounce to the LQ for a little sumthin-sumthin and get crumped." You might have trouble with comprehension. Yes, it is one small part of urban life, but it is also an illustration of how easy it is to marginalize a vast portion of our human resources in this country.

Arjuna
08-05-2005, 10:59 AM
If you have interacted with various breeds of dogs, I am sure you have noticed that some breeds are smarter than others.

Also, it is pretty obvious that different species of animals exhibit different levels of intelligence. For example, humans as a group are more intelligent than dogs as a group.

The races are the different breeds of humans, and they do in fact exhibit different levels of intelligence. The Illuminati understands this. The rich and powerful dynastic families are very careful to avoid interbreeding with the less intelligent races, yet they promote interbreeding for the masses through the propaganda of diversity and multiculturalism.

The average white person has an IQ of 100. That is a bit too smart, making whites difficult to manage by the NWO. The native African has an IQ of 70. That is not smart enough, making Africans difficult to train for various employment tasks. The cross-breed has an IQ of 85. This breed can be trained to do work, and is easily managed by the NWO. As the power of the NWO increases, I expect them to become increasingly active in human breeding practices.

The article referenced by Bouncer, above, claims:
"Proponents of an excessively genetic understanding of intelligence often have racist agendas or are simply ignorant of the challenges facing the marginalized people of the world such as members of the African-American community."

That statement is nonsense. Intelligence is a genetic attribute that is measurable. African-Americans are not "marginalized"; they are simply the least intelligent race in the USA. If recognizing and exposing that fact is a "racist agenda", then so be it.

The conspiracy going on here is the conspiracy to make you believe that all races have equal intelligence. This is a false notion that diversity and multicultural training is designed to impart. The goal of this conspiracy is to create a mongrel slave race that serves the NWO.

Bouncer
08-05-2005, 02:21 PM
I appreciate your courage and honesty. Thank you for presenting one of the most salient arguments in sociology today. In the USA, the African-American people are far from a "Pure Breed", to use your allegory. Genetics become more complicated when you cross-breed those with different traits. Which is the dominant IQ trait, if in fact it is largely hereditary? Also, nurturing practices have an overwhelming influence upon fetal and early development, both physical and mental. For instance, wealth in the USA has a strong correlation with average IQ scores by state, which indicates that raising children in an intellectually challenging environment is still by privilege and not by right. In other words, if you are working 18 hours a day just to feed your family, you might not get around to reading Shakespeare at bedtime. Lastly, the Indo-European nations display the highest IQ scores of the world. Can anyone tell us why??

Arjuna
08-05-2005, 04:16 PM
The figures I found measured the average native African (pure-breed) IQ at 70. The average African-American IQ was 85. Most African-Americans are mixed-breed / mixed-race. IQ scores indicate that the average African-American is about 50% African genetically. The vast majority have American Indian, caucasian, or Hispanic ancestors in addition to African ancestors.

It is easy to see in the main stream media that the mixed-race African is being promoted forcefully, while anything of an all-white nature is increasingly taboo.

This trend is a deliberately engineered program of our Zionist/NWO rulers. One of the main reasons they are doing this is to raise the average IQ of certain groups and lower the average IQ of others in order to create a mass of people that can be trained to work but never oppose their rulers. Another reason they are doing it is to destroy the cultural and racial heritage of all groups except that of the rulers; doing this makes it possible to indoctrinate the masses with a new cultural identity that is completely obedient and loyal to the rulers.

I am confident that while our rulers are creating a mass of mixed-race, mediocre IQ people to perform the lower-level tasks of society, they are implementing breeding practices to raise IQ levels in their own families. The end result will be that 5% of the people will be in the elite, high IQ, highly educated, millionaire class, and 95% of the people will be in the worker class that is never allowed to learn much (beyond what they need to know to do their job, or the non-stop programming on ESPN and MTV) or aquire much wealth.

Arjuna
08-05-2005, 04:43 PM
After posting the above, I found out about Henry Makow's latest article:

Canada Gets another Minority Woman GG
http://www.savethemales.ca/index.html

It's not just that white males are being disempowered, all pure-breed white people outside of the ruling class are being eliminated.

Bouncer
08-08-2005, 12:30 PM
I'm not totally convinced that a "Pure" race is more resistant to political or social control than an interbred one. Besides, intelligence is just one of many factors that determine one's suggestibility, obedience, etc. In fact, the mixing of two IQ's in the parents (100 and 70 to use your example) does not indicate that the children will have an average of the two numbers (85 ibid). That would be the same as parents who are 6' tall and 5' tall producing children of an average of 5'6'' in height. Genetics just don't work that way. If in fact Adam Weishaupt ("Whitehouse" in English) has written a satisfactory agenda for the Luciferians, then the few families that control the agenda will want the best gene pool possible for their purposes. Eugenics is the key, and euthanasia is the control. You will of course agree that they are now in the process of reducing the world population by at least half in the next ten to twenty years?

08-08-2005, 04:25 PM
I disagree. I do not believe that intelligence can be measured.

I also disagree that African Americans are the least intelligent race on the planet due to heredity.

Environment plays a factor!!

It is a vicious cycle of suppression which our government conspires to in order to keep the African American population suppressed.

Bouncer
08-10-2005, 01:32 PM
Right!! It's like the old gypsy cure for ailing livestock. Whenever the gypsies came to town, they always had the perfect cure for the sick animals on the local farms. That's because the gypsies secretly poisoned the animals a week or two before their arrival in the town! Let's take the more notoriuos rap artists, for example. Anyone familiar with Eminem or Snoop Doggy Dogg can tell you that the lyrics are more than just objectification and externalization of repressed angst, etc. Let's put it this way: if I took the lyrics to one of Eminem's songs and made it personal (i.e. as though I were saying them to you personally) I would be guilty of terroristic threats, emotional abuse, and just poor taste. But these rappers are using our urban youth by proxy to do these things, or at least to think about doing them. And let's not forget who the target audience is: inner-city youth! I don't see these rappers wearing boat crew uniforms, or cheerleading outfits, or Harvard colors, do you?
When the kids are totally messed up, then the "Programs" begin to roll off the drawing board. The result? More and direct control programs and experimentation because of a problem that was deliberately engineered from the beginning.

Arjuna
08-20-2005, 06:36 PM
Bouncer said, in the MKULTRA thread:
"Oh, Arjuna: I wasn't trying to be rude with the former posts about genetics and pure breeding, etc. I was just pursuing my own theories and I appreciate the challenge that you presented to me. "

Your replies to my posts were not the least bit rude. I appreciate your willingness to offer me a different point of view. I respect you more for disagreeing to my face, in a polite and intelligent manner, than if you held your opposing views to yourself. Intelligence, like so many other topics discussed in our forums, is highly controversial. Argumentation and debate is a worthwhile process by which we can burn away the falsehoods and deceptions, and reveal the truth. You are a perfect example of the type of person I prefer to engage in this process. The key to success is to attack the ideas, not the person holding them.

Thumper
08-20-2005, 06:56 PM
Don't east asians have a higher IQ than whites?

Arjuna
08-20-2005, 07:22 PM
Thumper, I posted the following in an earlier post in this thread:

Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9530
Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

Arjuna
08-20-2005, 09:35 PM
Please note that the figures given in the above post do not separate out the Jewish race for analysis. This is standard practice in the social sciences. The Jews are beyond doubt the most intelligent and powerful race on the planet, and they carefully hide from public view many of the details regarding who they are, what they are doing, how they are doing it, and why they are doing it.

Hiding the fact that they are considerably more intelligent than all other races serves their purposes well. Keep in mind that the propaganda campaign known as diversity and multiculturalism is a Jewish invention, designed to manipulate all non-Jewish races into believing that all races are equal, including the absurdity that all races are equally intelligent.

Check out this webpage:
SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT JEWS, IQ AND NOBEL LAUREATES
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/dialogue.htm

This webpage publishes an interview with an 11 year old Jewish prodigy. Here is a quote:

Prodigy. We already knew that Jews achieve far beyond their numbers, but with a mean IQ about one standard deviation higher than that of other Europeans, we expect high achievement from them.

One standard deviation above the mean value of 100 places the average Jewish IQ at 115.

I am certain that the Jews understand well the relationship between genetics and intelligence, and that they are implementing breeding practices within their own race to maintain or increase high IQ levels. At the same time, the Jews are largely responsible for a variety of activities that guarantee all other races are considerably less intelligent than the Jewish race. These practices are consistent with the Jewish belief that all non-Jews are slaves whose only purpose for existence is to serve the Jews.

truebeliever
08-21-2005, 05:44 AM
But these rappers are using our urban youth by proxy to do these things, or at least to think about doing them. And let's not forget who the target audience is: inner-city youth! I don't see these rappers wearing boat crew uniforms, or cheerleading outfits, or Harvard colors, do you?

The Hip Hop movement was subverted in the early 70's.

Hit Hop and rap in general is no longer about struggle and oppression but dealing drugs and being a "gangsta".

Black rap/hip hop is now nothing more than a way to launder your drug money.

As is the porn industry in the U.S and elsewhere.

In defense of Eminem...he's the least offensive. In fact I've been laughing myself silly at his latest "Ass Like That".

Bouncer
08-22-2005, 11:05 AM
OK, thanks for the lookback. I remember back in the early 80's when a new artistic form arrived from Newark, NJ. Rapping before then was a kind of informal forum for concerns and greivances. If this is part of the crystallization of the early Rap and Hip-Hop, then I can see what the first rappers were trying to do. And sure, the bigger the money, the bigger the bullies who want a piece. The "Gangsta Mystique" provides a fantasy role for a lot of youth and I hope that they regard it as such and no more.

55132
08-23-2005, 04:15 AM
The only thing that has made these jews powerful is the rothchild money that has been at there disposal interest free for the last 150 years. Money they have used to purchase everything of importance.

psycological as well as allt mental sciences haves been controlled by jews sice Freud and its mostly full of crap. they design the test they score it.


The areas the most excel is language and law and thats mainly because they have been ardent students of there own law and have for centuries been forever searching for ways to legaly circumvent them.
they are so bright that they have converted the original 10 commanments into 670 .

If you take there money away all they have is there natural ability to decive.

55132

Bouncer
08-24-2005, 12:14 PM
Ok, but if that's true, then where are all of the Jewish rappers? Although some of the things suggested in Goy rap songs aren't Kosher, I'm sure their superior intellect can overcome that. I also wonder if those to whom you refer as "Jews" are really just Israelis, and not real Jews. Many sources indicate that those in power in Israel are not religious, but in fact are quite worldly and even atheistic. I suspect that a true Jew would not be interested in dark political intrigue, etc. And by the way, the Israelis don't like the USA very much either, but they are not dumb enough to run around screaming "Death to America", etc.

55132
08-24-2005, 06:56 PM
The real jews (isralites) are mostly mixed with the kazar. There are grups like the sephardites who are truly ethnic isralites and another grup calle the karites whom despize the talmud. but since there are few of these they tend to mix with the ashkenazi (kazar) for cultural reasons. Most jews in power in israel are askenazi kazars non religoius they are zionist. Real jews can be found in zionist or antizionist groups interestinly there are many who long ago converted to Christianity or to islam but still keep some vestige of there past.

Today it s very difficult if not impossible to distinguish among them and pick a real isralite, there are some genetic markings but arabs have them also. In General we can only speak of jews who do not follow the talmud or the kabbalah as people who most resemble them but ultimatly its going to have to be left to God in his time.

truebeliever
08-25-2005, 02:59 AM
BOUNCER...rap was integral to the Black Panther movement. It was political in nature. I am not an expert on the subject but people I speak to who are, tell me there is no relation to it's original roots in todays gangsta rap.

The reason so much CRAP gets on the airwaves is because there are millions of dollars of drug money to spend promoting it on radio and television. Now music industry promoters pay the telly and radio people to play it rather than the other way around.

If you can, get the doco "Biggie & Tupac". It will give you a little insight into the world of Coke and Meth and music studio's and police corruption...especially in L.A.

The CIA is in head first with these spankers.

Onto the original topic...regarding Jews and Psychology...it's interesting that Freud said to Carl Jung that he must make Psychology a "bulwark". Jung asked..."against what?" Freud replied..."the black tide of occultism". I dont believe Freud was "in" with anyone inparticular, athough I believe he lived well in England. The problem with any psychology is when you apply it as a "cure all" for all people at all times.

Bouncer
08-25-2005, 08:14 AM
Well, the CIA and DIA have a great tradition and many who serve in their ranks are decent and honorable people. I've met a family before and they are quite well-off and are obviously in the main stream of society. Even in a perfect world one must weed the garden. There are, of course, black sheep in these organizations who smuggle drugs in the bodies of dead soldiers (i.e. Vietnam) and who rely on local thugs for protection of their operations (i.e. Los Angeles, CA). If indeed rap music is now a bastion of the drug thugs then it is psychological warfare designed to immerse our children into the drug culture. Remeber the 60's? It's deja vu all over again!!

Bouncer
08-25-2005, 08:22 AM
You don't have to reject Judaism in order to be a Christian. I'm so tired of all of the demon-inspired divisions of the Church and attempted suppression of sincere faith in God. The apostles said that a true Jew is someone who believes and follows the Messiah. Even Jesus himself said that he came to redeem Israel. We as gentiles are merely benefactors of what should have been a miraculous transformation of Israel, but many of the religious leaders rejected him as a criminal. After all, they executed him! A messianic Jew is one who knows Jesus, end of story.

55132
08-25-2005, 05:02 PM
B,

I agree with you its not a question of hate as Christian we should not even hate the individul iluminati, kazars.. but we must be salt unto the world and expose the wrong. Make the truth shine through the darkness.

The real Isralites have a special place in Gods plan but its not just going to because tof genes

Besides at this moment it is very difficult to separate who is who among the jews and even if it where posible i am sure that there are many kazars who have become true isrlites because a true convert is the same as an isralite unto God.

What we must do is help them understand what has been vield to them by God because of there ever searching out to false gods.

Bouncer
08-26-2005, 06:39 AM
Yes, and getting back to the MENSA IQ topic, I thank God that intellect is not a prerequisite for spiritual enlightenment. Even a total moron like me can be saved! This is what I have against the Gnostics, in that they think that more knowledge means being closer to God, or that it means you are more "Spiritual" because you have some secret that other don't have. It's just another kind of snobbery which any churchgoer can tell you is a thorn in the side of any congregation. God's Spirit can inform you of anything He wants you to know, and He can speak in a voice that you will understand and trust. Period. So don't be jealous of those idiots who go around saying that THEY have an exclusive and inside track to holiness. Just talk to God and He will answer you in time.

Bouncer
08-27-2005, 08:05 AM
OOOPS! I apologize for my violation of the seventh item in the "Anti-Semitism" list. It is considered A-S to blame the Jews for the Roman execution of Jesus. OK. The corrupt religious leaders of Jesus' day put him on trial with false testimony; they also persuaded the crowd before Pilate to free Barabbas instead of "The King of the Jews", but hey, you're right: they didn't actually nail him to the cross. Sorry.