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BlueAngel 05-27-2007 10:14 PM

Autism
 
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redrat11 05-27-2007 10:28 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
autism is a very strange disorder, indeed the symptoms vary from person to person, although my guess is that it begins to form in the creation stage of the fetus (baby) meaning that the neurological process is somehow not able to complete itself in the formation of the baby.


there are many factors to blame, environment, vaccines from the mother, diet and nutrition, and even the very air we breathe.

redrat11 05-27-2007 11:03 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Quote:

redrat11 wrote:
autism is a very strange disorder, indeed the symptoms vary from person to person, although my guess is that it begins to form in the creation stage of the fetus (baby) meaning that the neurological process is somehow not able to complete itself in the formation of the baby.


there are many factors to blame, environment, vaccines from the mother, diet and nutrition, and even the very air we breathe.
Your guess is that AUTISM is formed in the creation stage of the fetus through vaccinations that the mother received and NOT the father.

Why not the father?

You also believe there are outside influencing factors once the fetus is is born such as diet, nutrition and the air we breathe.

If this is the case, why has AUTISM been predicted to afflict 1 in 150 children in the future, but not in the past?

Why would it be due to vaccinations the mother received?

Are they tainted?

Why diet, nutrition, air we breathe now and not in the past?

Are they tainted?
>>>Your guess is that AUTISM is formed in the creation stage of the fetus through vaccinations that the mother received and NOT the father.

Why not the father?<<<

just my guess!


>>>You also believe there are outside influencing factors once the fetus is is born such as diet, nutrition and the air we breathe.

If this is the case, why has AUTISM been predicted to afflict 1 in 150 children in the future, but not in the past?<<<


the entire american medical asociation is quackery! thus nothing they say can be trusted with any degree. if they predict those numbers it's because the chemtrails have increased, and the vaccines are becoming more lethal (secretly.)

remember, they want depopulation period!


it does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out the world is going to hell in a handbasket!

redrat11 05-27-2007 11:27 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
it's past your bedtime...

redrat11 05-27-2007 11:51 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Really? What would my bedtime be if I were a "little girl?"

the real blue angel knocks off the computer at 12 midnight.

redrat11 05-28-2007 12:01 AM

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Quote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Sorry, but there isn't anyone who can come close to being a "BlueAngel" imposter.

Not even CLOSE!
sure there is, it's U!

redrat11 05-28-2007 12:12 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
i can prove your not Blue Angel. a few simple questions, and the real you will show their colors.

however I'm not going to waste my time, after all, this is the internet, and one never knows who they are communicating with.

redrat11 05-28-2007 12:23 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
look here person, I know who you are without you knowing it, hows that! and you are not the original BA, you may think you are, however you are delusional!

redrat11 05-28-2007 12:37 AM

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Quote:

BlueAngel wrote:
Quote:

redrat11 wrote:
look here person, I know who you are without you knowing it, hows that! and you are not the original BA, you may think you are, however you are delusional!
YOU KNOW WHO I AM WITHOUT ME KNOWING IT!!

How so?

Are you a programmer from the past?

Oh, there's that word THEY love......

DELUSIONAL!!!!

Good night, sweetie!

It's been a whale of a time.
afraid of the word "delusional" hey there...

redrat11 05-28-2007 12:46 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
A synopsis of converstion with BA...


I don't think the "boogeyman" is after you anymore.

Craig 12-17-2009 10:59 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
I have Aspergers Syndrome, a form of Autism and do seriously think that there is a conspiracy among the Autism issue. No, I won't be stating the facts because they are either unproven or not yet found.

EireEngineer 12-19-2009 01:32 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 43009)
Study fails to link chemical, brain woes By ALICIA CHANG, AP Science Writer
2 hours, 6 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES - A mercury-based preservative once used in many vaccines does not raise the risk of neurological problems in children, concludes a large federal study that researchers say should reassure parents about the safety of shots their kids received a decade or more ago.

However, the study did not examine autism — the developmental disorder that some critics blame on vaccines. A separate study due out in a year will look at that issue, said scientists at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who led the latest analysis and published results in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine.

They found no clear link between early exposure to the preservative thimerosal and problems with brain function and behavior in children age 7 to 10. The results are in line with past research that found no connection between vaccines and neurological problems or autism.

Thimerosal (pronounced thih-MEHR'-uh-sawl) has not been used in childhood vaccines since 2001, although it is still in some flu shots. The new findings apply to children immunized before then, or exposed to the preservative through shots their mothers received while pregnant. Thimerosal was put in vaccines to prevent contamination from bacteria.

Some doctors say the CDC study should reassure parents worried about the safety of vaccines.

"It's good news for families," said Dr. Michael Goldstein, vice president of the American Academy of Neurology who works in private practice in Salt Lake City. "There's no evidence that these vaccines have caused injury."

The study involved 1,047 children who were exposed to varying levels of thimerosal while in the womb or after birth in the 1990s. The children belonged to four health maintenance organizations that are part of a federal project to study the side effects of vaccines. Their mercury exposure was determined through medical and immunization records and interviews with parents.

Each child was tested for speech and language skills, motor coordination and intelligence. Parents, teachers and trained specialists also rated stuttering, attention span and tic disorders such as head shaking, eye blinking and neck jerking. A total of 42 neurological problems were analyzed.

On balance, researchers did not find a consistent pattern between increasing thimerosal exposure and the risk of these problems. However, they said one finding merited further study: Boys exposed to higher mercury levels seemed to have more tic problems — a link seen in previous research.

"The doses of mercury that children were exposed to because of immunization doesn't cause neuropsychological damage," said Dr. Bruce H. Cohen, a Cleveland Clinic pediatric neurology specialist who had no role in the study.

The CDC study was reviewed by an independent panel of scientists and statisticians who oversaw its design, reviewed results and contributed to writing the report.

The panel included one vaccine opponent — Sallie Bernard, executive director of the consumer group SafeMinds. Although she had a role in planning the study, she asked to be listed as a "dissenting member" because she disagreed with the study's conclusions.

The research was led by William Thompson, a CDC epidemiologist who once worked for vaccine maker Merck & Co. Four other researchers have received fees from drug companies and one has served as a consultant to a CDC committee on immunization.

The study was not designed to tease out the effects of mercury exposure on autism. Thompson is completing a separate study examining whether thimerosal exposure before or after birth causes autism. The study recruited 1,000 children including 250 with autism. Results are expected next year.

Autism is a major public health concern, with one in 150 American children diagnosed with the disorder characterized by repetitive behaviors and impaired social interaction.

Although past scientific studies have found no link between autism and thimerosal-containing vaccines, the highly charged issue went on trial this summer.

A court in Washington, D.C., heard from an Arizona mother who blamed vaccines on her 12-year-old daughter's severe autism. The case is being followed by about 5,000 families who filed similar claims to receive compensation from a federal vaccine injury fund. The fund so far has not paid out an autism claim.

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First it was ADD, then ADHD.

Now one in every 150 children will be diagnosed with AUTISM.

As they said:

Inability to concentrate. (ADD, ADHD)

As they said:

These children will be prisoners inside their own mind.

Trapped inside their own heads.

Prisoners of their own world.

Practically, deaf, dumb and blind.

Non-productive members of society.

As far as ADD and ADHD is concerned, I believe the classroom setting causes irritability together with long periods in between lunch. Sit in your seat; don't move. Constant repetition of material to be memorized. JUST BOREDOM that stifles the brain's ability to develop into a critical/creative/cognitive mass.

If a student is deemed to be more animated than other children, most times teacher's suggest the student might have ADD.

A trip to the doctor and they are given SPEED.

The drugging of our children to stifle creative, critical and cognitive functionings of their brain power.

In order to slow the brain down, they are prescribed SPEED.

If a child is depressed, which is, most times a normal part of adolescence, anti-depressants are prescribed.

Anti-depressants that can cause suicide.

What is it that all children are mandated to receive?

VACCINATIONS that contain MERCURY!!!

You are a bit behind the times BA. Thimerisol has been out of childhood vaccines for a decade now, and there has been no drop in Autism rates. What is more, the type of mercury that they did use is easily eliminated from the body. However, thanks to kooks like Jenny McCarthy the companies removed Thimerasol, a preservative with a well documented safety record, and they have had to replace it with an aluminum based preservative with a much shorter track record. Good going anti-vacs nutjobs!

Algebra 12-20-2009 04:19 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Ive heard it mentioned that Autism may be the begining of the next phase in human evolution. Hence the amazing abilitys some autistic people have with memory and maths etc.

How this evolutionary transgression was spearned however could be the result of government attempts to create super humans. Walking bio computers. Or it could be entirely natural but imperfect as of yet.

If you could sacrifice the disire or need to interact with the world and instead channel your mind in to pursuing complex mathmatics or hyper memory abilities. Then would you display the kind of symtoms Autistic people seem to.

As for why this seems to be a prodominately male disorder. It could be that nature recognizes that the male is the superior sex, worthy of an evolutionary leap.

:D calm down ladies only joking. I couldnt resist.

If anybody else knows a bit more about the evo theory let me know. I think it could be worthy of a thread or two.

EireEngineer 12-21-2009 09:41 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Algebra (Post 63777)
Ive heard it mentioned that Autism may be the begining of the next phase in human evolution. Hence the amazing abilitys some autistic people have with memory and maths etc.

How this evolutionary transgression was spearned however could be the result of government attempts to create super humans. Walking bio computers. Or it could be entirely natural but imperfect as of yet.

If you could sacrifice the disire or need to interact with the world and instead channel your mind in to pursuing complex mathmatics or hyper memory abilities. Then would you display the kind of symtoms Autistic people seem to.

As for why this seems to be a prodominately male disorder. It could be that nature recognizes that the male is the superior sex, worthy of an evolutionary leap.

:D calm down ladies only joking. I couldnt resist.

If anybody else knows a bit more about the evo theory let me know. I think it could be worthy of a thread or two.

Ah yes, Jenny McCarthy's "Indigo Children" idea. More likely all of that nonsense is just her using Woo to justify her denial that something is actually wrong with her child.

Algebra 12-21-2009 10:17 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EireEngineer (Post 63791)
Ah yes, Jenny McCarthy's "Indigo Children" idea. More likely all of that nonsense is just her using Woo to justify her denial that something is actually wrong with her child.

Im not aware of jenny mcCarthys "Indigo theory" but i will take a look and let you know what i think.

Algebra 12-21-2009 10:35 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
I've read some reviews on her book online and it seems that if you wanted to discredit the evolution theory she would be the ideal candidate to attack given her backround and lack of scientific substance.

But does this ultimately mean that theres no truth in the theory? Right now its as good a guess as any.

Algebra 12-21-2009 10:57 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
Gene May Offer Clue Why Autism Risk Is Fourfold Higher in Boys
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By Marilyn Chase


May 19 (Bloomberg) -- A common variant of a gene may increase autism risk and explain why boys face a fourfold increase of having the developmental disorder compared with girls, scientists reported.
The researchers analyzed the DNA of 1,046 members of families with at least two sons affected by autism. Inside chromosome 17, a hotspot of previous autism studies, these families harbored a variant of a gene called CACNA1G, said Stanley F. Nelson, professor of human genetics at the University of California Los Angeles, in the journal Molecular Psychiatry.
The gene by itself is not the likely a risk factor for autism, Nelson said. The finding could help researchers understand how a change in the gene may work in tandem with other factors to lead to the disorder marked by impaired language, social interactions and rigid behaviors, he said.
“If replicated, this study could be a very compelling addition to the autism field,” said Hakon Hakonarson, associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania and director of the genome center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. Hakonarson, who wasn’t involved in the UCLA study, previously proposed the role of another gene called cadherin 10 in the disease.
Previous studies have found the prevalence of autism spectrum disorders is slightly less than 1 in 100 for boys and about 1 in 400 for girls, Hakonarson said in a telephone interview. These disorders aren’t the product of a single gene defect, but most likely the result of many genes interacting in concert with environmental factors, he added.
Normal Function
Just how CACNA1G contributes to autism risk isn’t known, UCLA’s Nelson said. Previous research has shown it normally helps to move calcium between cells. The UCLA team said in a statement that the gene variant also appears in the DNA of nearly 40 percent of the population.
“This alternate form of CACNA1G consistently increased the correlation to autism spectrum disorder, suggesting that inheriting the gene may heighten a child’s risk of developing autism,” said Nelson in a statement.
The UCLA team said its next step will be to sequence the gene -- figure out how its component amino acids are arranged -- to identify the exact alteration linked to autism risk.
The study was funded by the National Institute of Mental Health, a unit of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda Maryland, and Cure Autism Now.

This article would appear to disprove the theory that governments are carrying out gene experiments because according to the scientists above. No one gene causes Autism and its likely the effect of both gene variation and enviromental factors. The genes in mention appear to be more prevalent in boys. So what if these genes are mutating but are still in the procces of doing so, in to the creation of a new D.NA strand. new genes that will ultimately evolve in to a new form of bieng, or an evollutionary leap.

Could it be possible? or could the government be actively effecting these genes through external radiation or internaly via some form of medication?

EireEngineer 12-21-2009 07:07 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Algebra (Post 63795)
Gene May Offer Clue Why Autism Risk Is Fourfold Higher in Boys
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By Marilyn Chase


May 19 (Bloomberg) -- A common variant of a gene may increase autism risk and explain why boys face a fourfold increase of having the developmental disorder compared with girls, scientists reported.
The researchers analyzed the DNA of 1,046 members of families with at least two sons affected by autism. Inside chromosome 17, a hotspot of previous autism studies, these families harbored a variant of a gene called CACNA1G, said Stanley F. Nelson, professor of human genetics at the University of California Los Angeles, in the journal Molecular Psychiatry.
The gene by itself is not the likely a risk factor for autism, Nelson said. The finding could help researchers understand how a change in the gene may work in tandem with other factors to lead to the disorder marked by impaired language, social interactions and rigid behaviors, he said.
“If replicated, this study could be a very compelling addition to the autism field,” said Hakon Hakonarson, associate professor of pediatrics at the University of Pennsylvania and director of the genome center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. Hakonarson, who wasn’t involved in the UCLA study, previously proposed the role of another gene called cadherin 10 in the disease.
Previous studies have found the prevalence of autism spectrum disorders is slightly less than 1 in 100 for boys and about 1 in 400 for girls, Hakonarson said in a telephone interview. These disorders aren’t the product of a single gene defect, but most likely the result of many genes interacting in concert with environmental factors, he added.
Normal Function
Just how CACNA1G contributes to autism risk isn’t known, UCLA’s Nelson said. Previous research has shown it normally helps to move calcium between cells. The UCLA team said in a statement that the gene variant also appears in the DNA of nearly 40 percent of the population.
“This alternate form of CACNA1G consistently increased the correlation to autism spectrum disorder, suggesting that inheriting the gene may heighten a child’s risk of developing autism,” said Nelson in a statement.
The UCLA team said its next step will be to sequence the gene -- figure out how its component amino acids are arranged -- to identify the exact alteration linked to autism risk.
The study was funded by the National Institute of Mental Health, a unit of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda Maryland, and Cure Autism Now.

This article would appear to disprove the theory that governments are carrying out gene experiments because according to the scientists above. No one gene causes Autism and its likely the effect of both gene variation and enviromental factors. The genes in mention appear to be more prevalent in boys. So what if these genes are mutating but are still in the procces of doing so, in to the creation of a new D.NA strand. new genes that will ultimately evolve in to a new form of bieng, or an evollutionary leap.

Could it be possible? or could the government be actively effecting these genes through external radiation or internaly via some form of medication?

Yawn. My daughter is autistic, so you arent telling me anything new. No, its not the government, but yes it is likely genetic.

Algebra 12-22-2009 05:40 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
Im sorry to hear about your daughter EireEngineer. Just out of interest does she display any hightened abilitys. I dont mean "savantism" here but just particular things she may be above average at doing for her age. Just tell me to feck off if its a little to personal.

EireEngineer 12-22-2009 09:10 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
No, no special abilities. She is as smart, if not a bit above the curve, as any four year old, but language has been a big frustration for her. Speech therapy seems to be helping with that, and going to an Autism specific school has fixed most of the problems she had with focus and with socialization, which are always problems for Autistic children.

I would never be upet about you asking in a respectful manner as you did, especially since I brought her up. I appreciate it.

Algebra 12-22-2009 11:00 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EireEngineer (Post 63821)
No, no special abilities. She is as smart, if not a bit above the curve, as any four year old, but language has been a big frustration for her. Speech therapy seems to be helping with that, and going to an Autism specific school has fixed most of the problems she had with focus and with socialization, which are always problems for Autistic children.

I would never be upet about you asking in a respectful manner as you did, especially since I brought her up. I appreciate it.

Thats o.k I cant argue with someone who has first hand experience. I actually think i may have been a bit misguided with my theory. I think its actually "savantism" i was refering to with the evolution theory not Autism. Please excuse my ignorance, and i hope all go's well for your daughter.

EireEngineer 12-22-2009 08:19 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Trust me, I'm far from an expert on the subject myself, but anything dealing with the brain is akin to string theory: no one person on the planet can possibly be an expert on all of it. There is a bit of savant quality with some autistic children, but it generally manifests in the kids in the higher end of the spectrum than my daughter.
We do know a couple of things about Autism, even if we do not know the exact cause. It is definately not caused by vaccines or Thimerisol. Autism rates have not in fact been increasing, but the definition has been expanded in recent years and the increased number is largely an artifact of this broadening of definition. It looks like it is most likely a genetic disorder, but studies are still ongoing. And no BlueAngel, that is not my opinion, but fact.

EireEngineer 12-23-2009 08:11 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Ah yes, lets listen to celebrities instead of the scientists who actually work on it. Oh, and what do you have to say to the fact that Thimerisol has been out of childhood vaccines with no decrease in Autism rates? Or the fact that as a percentage of the population by age group, autism rates have stayed largely flat? Yes, lets all listen to narcissistic and largely ignorant actors who get self validation from championing a misguided cause.

EireEngineer 12-24-2009 08:20 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 63863)
Can't you read?

I mentioned celebrities and those who aren't.

Yes, but it is the celebrities that get the press, and therefore are far more responsible for the very real body count caused by the anti-vaccination movement.
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 63863)
Sorry, pal, but you might want to read the thread in its' entirety.

It was predicted by the scientific community that autism rates are expected to increase by an astronomical figure (something like one out of every
10 children born) and, as I responded to the report, how would they know this when they don't know what causes it, unless they really do know what causes autism?

Really? And when they released that report what did they say could be the cause of rates skyrocketing? Oh, right, you got blinded by the numbers and missed the very important details about causation.

[quote=BlueAngel;63863]
The same as ADD, and ADHD.

The scientific community doesn't know what causes ADD and ADHD, but the pharmaceutical companies certainly know how to treat it.
[/quote} Therefore what? You need not know the exact cause of something to find an effective treatment. They are called drug studies for a reason you know?
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 63863)
Not all of us believe everything that comes out of the mouths of the scientific community, as you do.

Noice overstatement, as if I am some mindless zombie that believes everything the scientific community says. However, science does get it right most of the time, it just takes time.
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 63863)
Actors are narcissistic?

Go to the mirror.

Huh?

Eire said:

"Oh, and what do you have to say to the fact that Thimerosal has been out of childhood vaccines with no decrease in Autism rates? Or the fact that as a percentage of the population by age group, autism rates have stayed largely flat?"

Please provide back-up to support your claim that those who believe childhood vaccinations to be the cause of autism suggest that Thimerosal was the ingredient in the childhood vaccinations that caused autism and back-up to support your claim that since the scientific community withdrew Thimerosal from vaccinations, autism has declined.

Nice attempt at a strawman there, but I never said rates declined. I said it stayed flat. Lrn2read
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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 63863)
So, you're saying that the scientific community has acknowledged that childhood vaccinations that contained Thimerosal were the cause of autism, but since this ingredient has been removed from childhood vaccinations autism rates have flat lined?

Thimerisol was removed from vaccines as a precaustionary measure. Jenny McCarthy's movement was causing vaccination rates to drop, and it was felt that it was better to remove the Thimerisol then to have millions of children go unvaccinated because of an irrational fear. If it had been the cause then you would figure that autism rates would have gone down once it was removed. It hasnt. See the causation?
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 63863)
But, I thought you said that, "WE" know, for a fact, that childhood vaccinations aren't responsible for autism.

I think you're talkin' mumbo-jumbo.

Autism does not present itself in any other age group other than childhood, so your comment that autism, as a fact, by the percentage of the population by age group has stayed largely flat doesn't make any sense.

FYI, autism is on the rise.

It is only rising because the definition of Autism Spectrum Disorders has broadened. You havent read up on this as much as I have so I will forgive your obvious ignorance. Yes, developmental disorders generally present themselves....wait for it...in development. What a shock. However, a recent study in Britain looked at people in their 20s, 30s, etc all the way up to people in their 60s and found that as a percentage of population, using the current definition of Autism, rates were the same fifty years ago as they are today. They were not diagnosed the same back then as they are today. What is more there is less of a social stigma to having your child diagnosed today then there was fifty years ago, and this too is leading to an increase in diagnoses.
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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 63863)
Your college degree certainly doesn't seem to serve you very well.

What a waste of time and money.

P.S. You REPEAT, AS A FACT, over and over again, but it doesn't make it a FACT.

Ah yes, the ad hominem...the last resort of a weak argument.

EireEngineer 12-24-2009 09:50 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Ah, so no answer from BA on this one huh? Too funny.

EireEngineer 12-25-2009 09:03 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
So in other words, no substantive rebuttal other than more ad hominem? Merry Christmas BA, and maybe in the new year you can try to point out where I contradicted myself.

EireEngineer 12-26-2009 11:43 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Not really, you just dont read very well and jump to conclusions.

EireEngineer 12-27-2009 12:48 AM

Re: AUTISM
 
Hardly. You still havent done anything to rebut the Thimerisol question, other than to give still more platitudes. So I will ask you: if Thimerisol is the cause, then why no drop in Autism rates once it was removed? Mmmmm?:p

EireEngineer 12-27-2009 07:46 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 63978)
What is it that all children are mandated to receive?

VACCINATIONS that contain MERCURY!!!

You did. Remember saying the above? The only componant that contains mercury is Thimerisol. Oh, and Jenny McCarthy and the other anti vaccers say it too.

EireEngineer 12-27-2009 08:57 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
You were all upset about mercury in vaccines, among other things in that post, and Thimerisol is the only component that contains mercury....unless you can specify another?:D

EireEngineer 12-27-2009 09:17 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
No, I was very specific that Thimerisol DIDNT cause Autism, which was one of the points I was making to the other poster. You came in railing about mercury at the end of your rambling ADHD post, and since Thimerisol is the only vaccine component that has mercury. In case you are confused, the Jenny McCarthy types are very specific about Thimerisol, and if you dont even know that then you have no business posting about Autism.

EireEngineer 12-27-2009 09:35 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
No, I never once said that Thimerisol caused Autism, but I did say that some crackpots believe that it is. Care to show where I said Thimerisol did?

EireEngineer 12-27-2009 09:39 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EireEngineer (Post 63833)
Trust me, I'm far from an expert on the subject myself, but anything dealing with the brain is akin to string theory: no one person on the planet can possibly be an expert on all of it. There is a bit of savant quality with some autistic children, but it generally manifests in the kids in the higher end of the spectrum than my daughter.
We do know a couple of things about Autism, even if we do not know the exact cause. It is definately not caused by vaccines or Thimerisol. Autism rates have not in fact been increasing, but the definition has been expanded in recent years and the increased number is largely an artifact of this broadening of definition. It looks like it is most likely a genetic disorder, but studies are still ongoing. And no BlueAngel, that is not my opinion, but fact.

Remember this posting, the first time I mentioned Thimerisol? Read very closely tard.

EireEngineer 12-28-2009 09:38 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 64025)
My arguments are never weak.

Hence, the reason I remain and many others who have debated me in the past do not.

I suspect you shall follow the same path of those who came before you.

Ad Hominem, Platitudes, strawman argument.

Some of Eire's favorite words.

Anyway.

Eire said:

"Oh, and what do you have to say to the fact that Thimerosal has been out of childhood vaccines with no decrease in Autism rates? Or the fact that as a percentage of the population by age group, autism rates have stayed largely flat?"

The above statement is contradictory.

One cannot increase and stay largely flat at the same time.

Wow, we are still having a reading comprehension problem here huh? The study I referred to looked at people in their sixties, fifties....all the way to their 20s, using the current diagnostic procedures. They found that people born Fifty years ago had the same incidence rate of Autism as kids being born today, but that many were not properly diagnosed. That means that, for at least the last fifty years, Autism rates have in fact stayed flat and it is only the improvements to diagnostic procedures that have lead to any increase in diagnoses.

As for Thimerisol, if it, or the tiny amount of mercury in it, were respondible for Autism, you would expect to at least see a noticeable drop in cases once it was removed from vaccines. We havent seen ANY drop at all, so it is highly unlikely that Thimerisol has any correlation.

As for your mercury theory, that too has been debunked. Autistic children have been studied for fatty tissue deposition of heavy metals, and there has been no correlation. If Autism was being caused by mercury you would find it laced in their tissues and no study has ever found any in either Autistic children or their siblings.

Seriously BA, if you want to be taken seriously stop distorting statements out of context. Oh, and you are ignored now.

EireEngineer 12-28-2009 10:54 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
Right, thats why you have a thread full of people asking why you are so crazy, and I do not.

EireEngineer 12-28-2009 11:10 PM

Re: AUTISM
 
The first ever major study into adults living with autism was published 22nd September by the NHS Information Centre. The report, entitled 'Autism Spectrum Disorders in adults living in households throughout England 2007' was written by Professor Terry Brugha, a Consultant Psychiatrist with Leicestershire Partnership NHS Trust and Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Leicester with a team of UK researchers

This ground-breaking study shows for the first time an estimate of how many adults are living with autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) in England. The study into the prevalence of autism spectrum disorders among adults shows that one in every hundred adults living in households has the condition - broadly the same rate as that cited for children.

While studies have been carried out into the prevalence of autism spectrum disorders among children, the report is the first attempt to find and count adults and older people in the community with an autism spectrum disorder, including Asperger syndrome.

Professor Brugha, a specialist in the assessment of adults who may have ASDs including Aspergers syndrome, runs an NHS diagnostic clinic at the Brandon Mental Health Unit. He worked collaboratively with a team of academics and researchers, including his colleagues from the University of Leicester to develop a research programme and survey tool. The team surveyed thousands of people across England to determine how many adults in the general population are likely to be affected by ASD's.

Months of analysis, much of which was undertaken at the University of Leicester, and hundreds of face to face interviews and diagnostic assessments have for first time ever, captured the typical characteristics of someone with an ASD, including gender, age range, employment status, type of housing and use of health services.

Up until now, little was known about how autism affected people over the course of a lifetime. For example, autism rates could have been lower among older age groups because people had gradually recovered from the condition or died prematurely.

However, the study suggests that this is not the case and that prevalence of autism spectrum disorder remains broadly level across all age bands.

Autism spectrum disorders are developmental disorders characterised by impaired social interaction and communications, severely restricted interests and repetitive behaviours.

The study of its prevalence among adults was a specific objective of the Adult Psychiatric Morbidity Survey 2007 which was commissioned by The NHS Information Centre, funded by the Department of Health and carried out by the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen) in collaboration with the University of Leicester.

EireEngineer 12-29-2009 12:10 AM

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Sorry, I will try to find something with pictures in it, since you cant understand a simple article. Oh, and I was poking fun at your whining about profits, since you cant follow well.

EireEngineer 12-29-2009 02:16 AM

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You still dont get it? Sad. As I said, I was poking fun at your immature derision of profits, as if there is something inherently evil about operating a business. I would think you would know better, since you are a small business owner too.

BTW, what part of that simply written Autism article didnt make sense to you? I will be happy to elucidate things for you if you need.

EireEngineer 12-29-2009 11:01 PM

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What exactly have I posted that was irrelevant to the Autism debate? Be specific, if you can.

EireEngineer 12-30-2009 08:02 PM

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So, I take it you dont accept the evidience that autism rates were the same thirty years ago, it is just improvements to diagnosis that are leading to the perceived rate increase. Read the article again before you reply.


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