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Ahmad 04-08-2005 12:46 AM

The real conspiracy is "idol-worship"
Salamun 'alaykum,
(peace be unto you)

Q: Why "idol-worship" is the real conspiracy?

It is evident that the conspiracy started from day one on earth, no human conspirators would have successfuly passed their agenda along hundreds of generations without any failure. A closer look at the claims of some evil doers that they are "alliens", "superior species"..etc leads us to the conclusion that there is indeed a separate invisible species among us with an agenda, they are called "Niphilim", "the greys", "the Jinn-beings", "demons"..etc, what is important is the proven fact that they can control the human beings (only if the humans agreed with them) and use them to advance their agenda.

Q: So what is their agenda ?

The scriptures say that Satan (and his descendants) is full of jealousy and hatred towards Adam (and his descendants), God created Adam, then ordered all the angels (including Satan) to fall prostrate before him (meaning to serve him from then on), all obeyed except the proud Satan, he said "I am better then he", the test for Adam on the other hand was in the form of the symbolical forbidden tree (a symbol of all the visible world), once Adam listened to Satan, and believed that the creature (the tree) has an inherent power to grant him eternal life, both Adam and his wife were ordered to go down to the visible dimension along with Satan and his descendants.

Q: Why didn't God forgive Adam for this first mistake?

God did forgive us all for this original sin when Adam repented, however in order to fully redeem ourselves and purify them from the traces of doubt, God created the earth to tesl us all, a makeup test.

Q: Does that mean that the record starts from zero-sins? and what is the test exactly?

Yes we start with no sins at all, the test is simply a choice we have to make, either God or Satan. God is represented by all the "Unseen" absolute values and meanings that we can feel with our hearts, Satan is represented by the visible domain, all the visible creatures void of any meaning or absolute value. Satan advocates that the creatures (meaning himself ofcourse) are gods, ends in themselves, that there is nothing behind them, he says that nature created itself, if we believe in his blaspemous idea, we fall from God's kingdom into Satan's and we face complete misery and failure.

Q: How do i know if i am in Satan's kingdom?

For every human being there is a Jinn-companion assigned to his body, the Jinn projects continously his father's ideas, that the creatures can benefit or harm you on their own. When you start to attribute a power to a creature instead of the source (God) know that you are being duped, the next thing you know is you are in a state of total obsession, (or the other extreme, unjustified hate or fear) with a creature, and because of the dependance on a powerless creature who by default is unstable, that creature will take you on a journey to the land of misery and lost dreams, with you hanging onto its tail up and down you go, traumatizing you and destroying your resistance completely, untill you become a faithfull commplying follower of Satan.

Q: I don't understand! can you give me examples?

0-Idol: The forbidden tree (symbol of the visible dimension)
Action: Eating (symbol of action)
Extreme emotion: temporary obsession
Satanic promise/lie: eternal life, kingship.
The truth: (The tree was not about the tree!, it was simply a test, God warned us that the creatures on their own CAN NOT grant anything, but we failed to take heed and listened to Satan and here we are!)

1- Visible creature/Idol : Money
Action: Gambling, theft, "who wants to be a millionaire", "working for an evil firm", unproductive work (stock market, the movie-industry)....vivisection, factory-farms...prostitution..etc
Extreme emotion: love (obsession/addiction)
Satanic promise: financial security, happiness, fulfilling dreams...etc
The truth: (Money is not about money!, it's simply a test, only God can grant the "real" money which can bring you happiness and satisfaction, and the real money cannot come through illegal ways, since God is the one who grants it if we reverence him and seek a righteous meaning (value) in our work. "No righteous meaning? Don't do it!"

2- Idol: Women (or men)
Action: Adultery, Homosexuality, free sex, pornography, codependency.
Extreme emotion: obsession
Satanic promise/lie: immediate gratification.
The truth: (We are not just a body, the road to satisfaction starts with the soul, and our souls need meanings, in this case "Love", love comes form God alone, and thus when we satisfy our bodies by engaging in sinful acts, we are actually creating more problems, let us imagine a vacuum chamber, representing our need, this chamber cannot reach stability except if we fill it with both parts, love (for the soul) and physical relation (for the body), if you open the door and fill the body part only, the unsatisfied vacuum will suck more and more of it, but the problem is the physical part cannot fill the soul part and therefore a never ending downward spiral of "doping" will start, with you trying desperately to fill the soul-part of the chamber physically but with no avail!) Love comes from God, and God decreed marriage and family as the only way to get it.

[13:14] Imploring Him is the only legitimate supplication, while the idols they implore beside Him, cannot ever respond. Thus, they are like those who stretch their hands to the water, but nothing reaches their mouths. The supplications of the disbelievers are in vain.

3- Idol: Children
Action: Over or under the extreme of pedophilia!
Extreme emotion: obsession
Satanic promise: never losing your childern..etc
The truth: (Children, even though they are our extension in life, they are totally independent creatures, nobody owns them, they belong to God, by attributing their powers (skills,beauty..etc) to God always and being appreciative, we are protecting them in the right way. People who seek to control their childern completely by strict rules are no better than those who seek to control them through trauma, criticism/pedophilia.

4- Idol: Ego
Action: Arrogance, seeking fame (celebrities, movie stars, presidents), showing off..etc
Extreme emotion: obsession with oneself
Satanic promise: "you can be your own god, nothing can stop you then!"
The truth: (We can reach no happiness ever except if we humbly acknowledge our position as creatures, subservient to the one god. God commands us to kill our egos, thus whenever you feel proud, remeber that there are limits and that only God is Great)

5- Idol: NWO
Action: Obsessive study of the NWO bibles, news, history. (Whatever occupies your mind most of the time, is your god!)
Extreme emotion: Mix of hate/fear (attraction and repulsion are the two sides of the same coin "idol-worship")
Satanic promise: "They are everywhere, there is no escape, it is over!"
The truth: (Only God can harm, no other creature can harm anybody against God's will. The NWO propaganda is designed to enslave you through an invisible bond (hate/fear), it's not over untill you ACCEPT the vicious idea that the "mighty" rich leaders are gods and that if they want to harm you, they can!) the only way to defeat evil is to acknowledge its powerlessness, and that all power belongs to God alone.

6-Idol: Jesus (Muhammad, the pope, the saints, professional religionists)
Action: Acceptance of their views without questioning , considering them infallibe gods, attributing their knowledge to them instead of the source.
Extreme emotion: love/obsession
Satanic promise: "They are more pure, they can grant salvation, they are the only way to God"
The truth is :(The prophets were no more than human beings like you and me, God sent us a message with a postman, we chose to relate the message to the postman instead of the sender!. God has no partners whatsoever in his kingship and He is far too exalted to have a mate or a son, as He is in no need for all His creation, it is us who need Him. Satan actually comes to us disguised in false identities (the false devine Jesus, the false devine Muhammad, the false devine saints), once we worship these distorted figures, we are actually worshipping Satan, instead of God.

The bottom line is: Satan has many masks, he uses the visible creatures to bind us in slavery, we shall seek the source behind the meanings we feel in our hearts instead of the visible powerless dimension that can not harm or benefit anyone.

Let me tell you that all those who idolize Jesus has lost the battle with Satan (aka. NWO) already because of their failure to acknowledge God as the only source of harm or benefit, it is all connected, and the choice is yours.

[2:165] Yet, some people set up idols to rival GOD, and love them as if they are GOD. Those who believe love GOD the most. If only the transgressors could see themselves when they see the retribution! They will realize then that all power belongs to GOD alone, and that GOD's retribution is awesome.

[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.

Saturnino 04-08-2005 01:13 PM

Re: The real conspiracy is "idol-worship"

We are not going anywhere with posts like this. We agree that Satan is behind most of the conspiracies, but my definition of idols is your obsession with Islam and Mohamed.

Christianity teaches that all who have not accepted Jesus are in fact spiritually blinded by Satan, and that only the Holy Spirit (which comes to live in the heart of the believer) can give man real understanding of spiritual things. That`s why so many smart people have no clue about spiritual things. Therefore, in our opinion, you Muslims are the ones blinded and being led by the devil.

So, I already see us trapped in a ping-pong game of "you are the one with the idol". You have started many threads that ended this way, which has been an annoyance in this forum.

BTW, I don`t think that Satan is the sole responsible for everything. People are evil by themselves, and they follow their evil desires when plotting their conspiracies. Satan just rides the waves, like a skillfull surfer in some cases, and directs people in some other cases.

Ahmad 04-08-2005 02:16 PM

Re: The real conspiracy is "idol-worship"
Peace Markos,

"Therefore, in our opinion, you Muslims are the ones blinded and being led by the devil. "

Read my post again and you will see that i condemn the muslims as much as the christians. The muslims say that Muhammad is "the most honourable messenger" and when they make the pilgrimage to God's shrine in Mecca they also make it to Muhammad's tomb in medina.

The truth is, Satan is not that smart, he plays the same trick again and again and again!

There is a pattern and i hope someday you will see it before it's too late.

The Budhists worship a human being, the Christians and the Muslims do too, why?

Imagine if we all worship the same one god, wouldn't the world be a better place?

Satan lied to you, time to repent and acknowledge the one god, there is no savior coming, only you can save yourself.

Mark [9:37] whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.Ē

nohope187 04-08-2005 02:44 PM

Re: The real conspiracy is "idol-worship"
No shit! It's called the State. :-P

Saturnino 04-09-2005 04:16 PM

Re: The real conspiracy is "idol-worship"

Your message is a very confused one. You intent on saving yourself by your own efforts. You must think that God's standards are pretty low. We sin all the time, my friend. Interestingly, the only sin that you really respect is the one of worshipping Jesus, the only one you are afraid of.

The truth is that God said in the Bible that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. He also says that our good works are like filthy rags to Him, because they are stained at least to an extent with our pride and evil intentions. So, I am sad to say, all your efforts to save yourself will bring no salvation to you.

You say it would be good if we all acknoledged the same God. In fact, with the exception of Luciferians and Satanists who really hate God, and atheists who deny His existence, all people have some notion of who God is. In fact, even demons believe in God, and tremble. The question, Ahmad, is not if you believe in God or not, but if you are willing to play by His rules. If you don`t, he won`t accept you, works and all. And His rules are: you don`t get to Heaven by your efforts, you need forgiveness.

DaddyLongLeg 04-09-2005 10:01 PM

Re: The real conspiracy is "idol-worship"
How else does one redeem their wickedness if not by their own efforts?

Set apart from the rest is the person who does not take the advice of the ungodly, nor interfere with sinners, nor takes residence with the disrespectful.

Your salvation is in the commandments; you must make the effort to understand the commandments.

If you do so you shall be upright and rooted firmly and all that you require shall be within your reach and all that you do will succeed.

Those that ignore the commandments shall not be so blessed. For them life is confused and difficult.

The ungodly reveal themselves in spirit and that spirit shall indeed cease to exist.

That was my interpretation of Psalm 1 and I think it still applies right now as it did then. If I was to take your advice Saturnino I would be left wondering the fate of all who lived before Jesus.

We love our faithful dogs. We excuse them for their less than desirable qualities because they are faithful to us. However, if our dogs turn on us and remain in such a state, what choice are we left with but to put them down?

We are like Godís dogs. God is merciful and understands our less than desirable qualities and if we remain faithful God rewards us.

Of course there is a little more to it than that (seeing how we are able to question our own actions), but I think this is an interesting way to understand God's relationship with His creatures.

Obviously we have all fallen short of the glory of God just in the same way that dogs are not human.

One thing I am curious of Saturnino is why you refer to Ahmad as a Muslim?

Ahmad 04-10-2005 02:07 AM

Despair is from Satan
Peace Markos,

I noticed something in your words, but before you read this please know that i am not on the opposite side of you, i just remind, you are totally free to heed the message or turn away, but know that God's retribution is severe.


"People are evil by themselves"
It is none but Satan who wants us to believe that we are inherently evil, why? first of all he wants to stay "invisible" and evade the responsbility, but the main idea he wants to pass is, 'THERE IS NO WAY OUT' !, imagine someone with cancer at an advanced stage, once he buys this satanic idea, he has lost the battle! maybe he will then ask to pull the plug.


"He also says that our good works are like filthy rags to Him, because they are stained at least to an extent with our pride and evil intentions."

If i am inherently evil, and if all my good works are nothing but filthy rags, and if i am stamped as an arrogant, wicked creature from the very beginning, then what are we living for?


"all your efforts to save yourself will bring no salvation to you"

I really believe that there is a big connection between the Christian teachings and the NWO conspiracy, i don't want to insult anybody, but just take a closer look at this vicious idea, i noticed that a big part of the NWO propaganda is aimed at paralyzing us with despair. The battle starts in your mind first, if there is nothing you can do to change your condition to start with, then what's the need to fight them!

There is a pattern by which Satan drags us to his kingdom, i can summarize it in the following steps:

1- Problem: e.g: 'You are a hopless sinner, whatever you do, you can't redeem yourself!' / or 'Your colleagues don't like you, whatever you do, they will not accept you' / or 'You have cancer at an advanced stage, do you really think it can be cured!' / or 'You have only 10$ left, soon the bills will come and you will fail to pay them, it's over!'


2- Solution: and Satan is always ready with the solution, 'a mere mortal will save you don't worry' / 'just play along, get a persona, don't be that serious and they will accept you' / 'All your pains will vanish in a second, just tell them to pull the plug' / 'You can use the money your friend kept with you, afterall he won't be back in a year, nobody will know'


"you don`t get to Heaven by your efforts, you need forgiveness."

So Satan creates a problem with one hand and then extends the other to 'save' you !

The only unforgivable sin is 'idol-worship', what God wants from us is to understand that no creature has any power to harm or benefit, all power comes from Him alone.

If we really undesrtood this idea, and if we applied this understanding in our daily tests, God promises to forgive all our sins and turn them into credits, just like that!

You are a sinner or a sinning person? there is a big difference, if you are sinning, you can stop it right now.

If you believe that a creature can help you, then i ask you to think again, Jesus was a Powerless creature, an honourable messenger, yes indeed, we respect him, yes we do, but not because of his inherent goodness, but because of his 'choices'.

Believe it or not, you can be better than Jesus, if you applied the message, you can redeem yourself.

[4:116] GOD does not forgive idol worship (if maintained until death), and He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who idolizes any idol beside GOD has strayed far astray.

[25:71] Those who repent and lead a righteous life, GOD redeems them; a complete redemption.

Saturnino 04-10-2005 10:46 AM

Re: Despair is from Satan

You think you can stop sinning right now ? I don't mean stealing or murdering, but having envy, showing anger, being jealous, proud, thinking bad things about people ?

Come on, give me a break ! This is just self-righteousness and a sin in itself ! You are a sinner, my friend, like the rest of us, and you think that if you are just a little bit good God MUST accept you. You set the rules for God. What a presumption. The God you worship can be bought for little.

Forgiveness and good works are NOT exclusive. Once you are forgiven and receive Jesus as Savior, the Holy Spirit will give you a will to do good works. NOT as a means of salvation, but as gratitude and a reflection of the character of God. No place for lazy bums here. Once saved, you are not inherently wicked anymore, and will be holy when you get to be with God.

For me this is reason enough to live, to enjoy God's creation, love people and enjoy God Himself.

Again, Ahmad, I think you got my point very well but you pretend you didn`t understand in order to keep machine gunning this forum with your ideas.

Ahmad 04-10-2005 02:14 PM

Re: Despair is from Satan
Actually now i understand, i was just hoping that you wake up from this self-fulfilling prophecy. Indeed with this sinner-mentality, God will not redeem you, you don't want His forgivness.

God's Infinite Mercy

[39:53] Proclaim: "O My servants who exceeded the limits, never despair of GOD's mercy. For GOD forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful."

[39:54] You shall obey your Lord, and submit to Him totally, before the retribution overtakes you; then you cannot be helped.

[39:55] And follow the best path that is pointed out for you by your Lord, before the retribution overtakes you suddenly when you least expect it.

[39:56] Lest a soul may say, "How sorry I am for disregarding GOD's commandments; I was certainly one of the mockers."

[39:57] Or say, "Had GOD guided me, I would have been with the righteous."

[39:58] Or say, when it sees the retribution, "If I get another chance, I will work righteousness."

[39:59] Yes indeed (you did get enough chances). My proofs came to you, but you rejected them, turned arrogant, and became a disbeliever.

[39:60] On the Day of Resurrection you will see the faces of those who lied about GOD covered with misery. Is Hell not the right retribution for the arrogant ones?

[39:61] And GOD will save those who have maintained righteousness; He will reward them. No harm will touch them, nor will they have any grief.

[39:62] GOD is the Creator of all things, and He is in full control of all things.

[39:63] To Him belongs all decisions in the heavens and the earth, and those who disbelieve in GOD's revelations are the real losers.

[39:64] Say, "Is it other than GOD you exhort me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

Idol Worship Nullifies All Work

[39:65] It has been revealed to you, and to those before you that if you ever commit idol worship, all your works will be nullified, and you will be with the losers.

[39:66] Therefore, you shall worship GOD alone, and be appreciative.

Saturnino 04-11-2005 07:50 AM

Re: Despair is from Satan
I already got His forgiveness. I was wondering: the best way to get someone to do anything for you is promise him salvation in exchange of good works.

That's how it works for radical Muslims, for Jonestown people, for Mormons, for the monk who sets himself on fire. It is a wonderful way to control them. You say: do this, do that. follow our leaders and you will go to Heaven.

The beautiful side effect of forgiveness in Jesus is that you are immune to this kind of manipulation. That's why the NWO hates real Christians (not Bush-likes), they are hard to be controlled. You are free to follow your own conscience. You should try it Ahmad.

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