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GoodKnight 11-28-2004 01:20 PM

We need to unite
A big problem for the anti-NWO camp seems to be the lack of unity. We are often all too quick to attack each other for some kind of imaginary departure from "ideological purity".

For example, I am 100% against abortion, but from a secular human rights perspective. I am often challenged by our religious brothers and sisters over this supposed failing, but the sad thing is that we share the same goal.

This is almost a metaphor for the problems that befall those of us who have cottoned on to our leaders' true intentions. It seems that the elite's tactic of divide and rule is working well in our midst.

What we need to do is realise that our freedom is too important to risk by engaging in distracting sideshows amongst ourselves.

The puppet masters are counting on us being unable to unite to oppose their nefarious plans. Let's show them how wrong they are....unite and win!

TerraNovan 11-28-2004 02:56 PM

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Hey GoodKnight,

I hear you loud and clear. I am a Christian, but when I discuss the NWO with others, I try to keep my personal religious beliefs out of the discussion, staying within the parameters of logic and reason (not to imply that my Christian beliefs are not logical nor reasoned). It's hard enough to get someone to listen to you in regards to this issue and have them not think of you as a wacko; throw God and Satan into the mix and people will think you're a religious wacko. Take abortion, for example. My opposition to abortion doesn't only stem from my religious views, but from my use of logic and reason. It is murder anyway you cut it. One needn't be religious to see the logic. It is the same with homosexuality.

Many religious people see their role as evangelisers, and when they encounter someone who sees the moral rot in our society but yet does not see "the light" in regards to religion, they take it as a personal affront. I have been guilty of this in the past, but as I have aged, I have realised that it is an individual endeavour to come to the Lord.

Let's fight the good fight, and not each other.



falcon 11-28-2004 07:16 PM

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I too am Christian and thus anti abortion. However, I am also anti-Darwin/Evolution and a proponent of Creationism. Now without delving into a debate about these two sides I ask if Evolution, like abortion/homosexual/women's rights, is an instrument being used by the elite to keep us down. Think about it, they can easily use evolution to support the idea that humans are merely apes but more intelligent; this degrades the value of humanity and makes it easier for the elite to take away our absolute morals!!!! We need to recognize the beauty of humanity, not degrade it.

GoodKnight 11-28-2004 11:07 PM

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Good and reasoned replies to my post. I respect your beliefs 100%. The important thing is that we are prepared to stand shoulder-to-shoulder when the decisive moment arrives, for example when the elite start micro-chipping us all. I see that as the final way of enslaving humanity, and you probably see it as the same thing plus eternal damnation as per Revelation.

I have to be honest and admit that I'm not closed to Bible-believing Christianity. I'm just put off by a lot of those who claim to be Christians, such as the esteemed Prez Dubya (note of sarcasm in voice here!) :-)

Once again, thank you for your responses.

TerraNovan 11-28-2004 11:58 PM

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I'm just put off by a lot of those who claim to be Christians, such as the esteemed Prez Dubya (note of sarcasm in voice here!) :-)

Once again, thank you for your responses.
Many so-called Christians aren't what they claim to be. George W. Bush is definitely not one. He hasn't said nor done anything that would identify himself as a Christian. The "god" that speaks to him, in my absolutely correct opinion, is Lucifer, and he is preparing the way for that Liar. And a good job he is doing.


rangergord 11-29-2004 01:24 AM

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It really comes down to accepting differences while pursuing goals.

Ahmad 11-29-2004 06:33 AM

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Peace all,

Yes indeed we need to get united, but the question is who?

I believe that the struggle starts from within, the spiritual warfare that is going in the world today is but a parallel to an invisible warefare inside each one of us. Satan has invisible messengers called (the Jinn beings) each one of us has a companion in the same body, who entices him continously to get over (or under) attached to things and people, Satan uses the visible elements of life (things and people) to bind us all in slavery, thus he wouldn't need a microchip to enslave everybody, the majority are already serving him.

Those who are bound by money and power (our leaders) are on the same side as the average citizen who is bound by his lust and sinful desires (women, alcohol, gambling...etc) or any kind of obsession or addiction, in short anything that distracts you from the truth, righteousness and ultimately God.

If we are ever to get united, we need to reach a common ground, Quran lays this common ground, please reflect on the folloowing words from God:

[3:64] Say, "O followers of the scripture, let us come to a logical agreement between us and you: that we shall not worship except GOD; that we never set up any idols besides Him, nor set up any human beings as lords beside GOD." If they turn away, say, "Bear witness that we are submitters."

Thus we have to free ourselves first from the schakles of enslavement (some idolize Jesus, some idolize their scholars, some idolize Muhammad and the rest idolize their sinful lusts), isn't it about time that we break free and be God-centered again, where is our reverence of the Creator!, and without such a reverence, why would God help us against Satan?

JillyBean 11-29-2004 07:50 AM

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I agree in order to get anything done we need a united front. However this is not an easy task if people will not sacrifice initially (giving up the money they currently have) for freedom. If you ask people to give away their money that requires going back in time say 100 years to no electricity, growing your own food and doing barter and trade methods.

freeman 11-29-2004 02:09 PM

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The important thing is that we are prepared to stand shoulder-to-shoulder when the decisive moment arrives
Yes, that sums it up. We must achieve the same level of unity as the NWO and its lower-level flunkies (Freemasons, Jesuits, Zionists, etc.) have been able to wield collectively against each and every one of us. Even though they squabble amongst themselves (the current Bush/Europe rift may or may not be a pertinent example), they are always unified in their oppression of the "profane goyim".
We must be just as unified and resolute in our opposition to them.
This will be a long, slow and difficult process, since as Dr. Makow observes, the forces of evil have had a long time to perfect this scam, but a forum like this where thoughts, information and ideas are exchanged is a valuable start.
I also believe that eventually mankind will unite in worship of a true God of love and spirtual beauty, and that most major religions of the world stress this ultimate objective. Ironically, Satan usurps everything to his advantage; therefore, the monotheism espoused by the NWO is actually a perversion of God's true plan for us. A world ruled not by God, but Lucifer, disguising himself as the Prince of Light. As the Bible tells us, the very elect will be deceived by this duplicity.
Our only defense is to follow Christ's teaching: "Ye shall know them by their works."
When exposing NWO and Iluminati charlatans, I have found it most useful to ignore the rhetoric and dogma and focus on the end result. No matter how cleverly disguised, an evil tree does not bear good fruit.

Pete 11-29-2004 02:39 PM

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We need to unite??????????? And how are we going to do that? The truth is that we don't need to do any sort of formal uniting, as in a formal organization. That would only become infiltrated and co-opted anyways.

When I was living in California, and Comrade Pete Wilson(then Governor, an alledged "conservative" and a Republican) boosted the sales tax to some terrible new high. There was a rally that turned out at the Federal Building in Westwood. It was amazing, the number of people that turned out. I tried to put something together back then, two years earlier in 1989 (the time frame I am speaking of here is 1991) and I had trouble getting a few dozen people to turn out. When I put my thing together in 89, some petitioners turned up to take advantage. They were attempting to turn my phuq the income tax rally into a referendum for term limits. In 1991, when thousands turned out to say phuq comrade Pete Wilson and phuq his sales tax increase, the petitioners turned up again. This time they were pitching "end the federal income tax" and were circulating a petition, which had nothing to do with ending ANY tax, but, rather had to do with a petition FOR a NATIONAL SALES TAX. Now thats something that Im sure politicians can get behind. Of course, there are always people with big bux paying the petitioners, today's political equivalent of the Hessian mercenaries who fought with the Redcoats.

Phuq formally uniting. The trick is to fight the war of the flea. United, we would be nothing more than a poodle attempting to take on a big mean German Shepard. But how well would the German Shepard do while being bitten simultaniously by a few hundred thousand fleas?

The only "uniting" that really needs to happen is in sharing information, especially with respect to finding enemy areas of weakness. When a pressure point is found, pressure should be applied unmercifully.

One such issue is social security and entitlements. Personally, I don't believe that govt. should be involved in any of that, period. But, the fact is that they are. And part of the NWO plan is the merger of social security systems. Just as the Citizens of the then 48 States had their Citizenship effectively federalized via social security, if they participated (vast majority did then and still do, most believe that participation is mandatory)
the next move will be to internationalize citizenship via merged socialist slavestate entitlement programs. In the meantime, I doubt that anyone here approaching retirement wants to hear about his social security taxes being used to pay for Pedro in Paraguay. I believe that this issue can be used and is a possible pressure point. There are lots of others as well.


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