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freeman 08-19-2005 11:09 AM

A World of Difference...
Yes, that's what I'm seeing, a world of difference between the recent underground rumors re the dismissal of Four-Star General Kevin Byrnes and the official, mainstream media version. First, this from Alex Jones Prison Planet site:


Four Star General Fired For Organizing Coup Against Neo-Cons?
Reporter suggests Brynes discovered plan to turn nuke exercise into staged terror attack

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | August 10 2005

The head of Fort Monroe's Training and Doctrine Command, four star general Kevin P. Byrnes, was fired Tuesday apparently for sexual misconduct according to official sources.

Other sources however have offered a different explanation for Byrnes' dismissal which ties in with the Bush administration's unpopular plan to attack Iran and the staged nuclear attack in the US which would provide the pretext to do so.

According to reporter Greg Szymanski, anonymous military sources said that Brynes was the leader of a faction that was preparing to instigate a coup against the neo-con hawks in an attempt to prevent further global conflict.

Indications are that, much like popular opinion amongst the general public, half the military oppose the neo-con's agenda and half support it.

Further revelations were imparted by journalist Leland Lehrman who appeared today on The Alex Jones Show.

Lehrman's army sources, including a former Captain in intelligence, became outraged when they learned that the official story behind 9/11 was impossible.

They told Lehrman that the imminent Northcom nuclear terror exercise based in Charleston, S.C, where a nuclear warhead is smuggled off a ship and detonated, was originally intended to 'go live' - as in the drill would be used as the cover for a real false flag staged attack.

This website has relentlessly discussed similar style drills which took place on the morning of 9/11 and on the morning of 7/7 in London.

"Speculation exists that he had potentially discovered the fact that it was gonna go live and that he was trying to put a stop to it or also speculation indicates that he may be part of a military coup designed to prevent the ridiculous idea of doing a nuclear war with Iran, " said Lehrman.

Lehrman said that other sources had told him all army leave had been cancelled from September 7th onwards, opening the possibility for war to be declared within that time frame.

Northcom officials also admitted to Lehrman that CNN had been using its situation room as a studio.

Earlier this week, Washington Post reported that the Pentagon has developed its first ever war plans for operations within the continental United States, in which terrorist attacks would be used as the justification for imposing martial law on cities, regions or the entire country.

American Conservative Magazine recently reported that Dick Cheney had given orders to immediately invade Iran after the next terror attack in the US, even if there was no evidence Iran was involved.

Government and media mouthpieces have been fearmongering for weeks about how a nuclear attack within the US is imminent.

Now would be the most opportune time for the Globalists to stage a major attack, as it would head off any potential indictments against the Bush administration for their involvement in illegally outing CIA agent Valerie Plame.

While rumors circulating about indictments having already taken place against Bush and Cheney should rightly be treated very carefully, the fact that there is an ongoing criminal investigation into the matter is something that's admitted and shouldn't be viewed as speculation.

...And now this from USA Today:


Fired general refused to avoid woman, Army says
By Dave Moniz, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON The Army's decision last week to dismiss a four-star general accused of adultery while separated from his wife became easier to understand with the emergence of more facts, some military legal scholars say.
Gen. Kevin Byrnes was dismissed three months short of his retirement for violating military law by having an affair while he was separated.
U.S. Army

Gen. Kevin Byrnes, who was relieved of his command as head of Army training, disobeyed a direct order to break off contact with the woman, Army Col. Joe Curtin said.

Curtin said Byrnes was fired for ignoring that order and for violating the military's adultery regulation.

Military rules prohibit a married or separated servicemember from having a sexual relationship with anyone other than the spouse until a divorce is final.

Byrnes' divorce became final last week. When the Army announced Byrnes' dismissal Aug. 9, it cited only "personal conduct" as the reason.

The new information, some former military lawyers say, clarifies the Army's decision to fire a commander who was three months short of retirement.

Scott Silliman, a retired Air Force attorney who teaches law at Duke University, said Byrnes made a serious mistake by not breaking off contact with the woman when his superiors told him to do so.

Silliman said Byrnes' failure to follow the order would be considered an "aggravating circumstance" that contributed to his dismissal.

James Swanson, a retired brigadier general and former Air Force attorney, said the military expects "generals to lead by example."

"If you are unable to do that, I don't see where your bosses have any choice" but to impose punishment, Swanson said.

Military officers who are promoted to general get special training about the hazards of personal misconduct. Known as "charm school," the courses outline the higher expectations for generals and the kinds of misconduct that can get them in trouble.

"Everybody who gets promoted to general understands the position carries much higher degrees of conduct," Swanson said.

"It is implicit in the contract to become a general and universally understood," he said.

Byrnes, 55, was in charge of Training and Doctrine Command, which is responsible for teaching soldiers combat skills and Army values, including personal ethics.

The Defense Department inspector general's office opened an investigation earlier this year after receiving a tip that Byrnes was involved in a romantic relationship.

Byrnes' attorney, Lt. Col. David Robertson, confirmed the relationship last week. Robertson told USA TODAY that he thought the punishment was too harsh. He did not return phone calls and e-mails Monday and Tuesday.

Byrnes has declined to comment.

The Army has forwarded the case to the head of Army Forces Command in Atlanta, Gen. Dan McNeil, to determine whether further punishment is in order.

Curtin said a decision could take several weeks.

Silliman said he doubts that Byrnes would be reduced in rank, an action that would sharply reduce his retirement pay.

He said Byrnes' misconduct isn't as serious as the case of Maj. Gen. Thomas Fiscus, the Air Force's top lawyer. Earlier this year, Fiscus was demoted two ranks to colonel and kicked out of the Air Force for a series of affairs over 10 years.
USA Today

Frankly, I'm having some real problems with this "official version". Are we actually supposed to be naive enough to believe that adultery is sufficient grounds for summary dismissal of a top military officer, with decades of contemporary history proving otherwise, from Clinton's sex scandal to Eisenhower's tryst with Kay Sommersby? Not to mention Kay Griggs' recent disclosures of homosexual and bisexual orgies within the military as a part of a secret initiation process which controlled stratification and career advancement at the officer level.

Kay Griggs

Not to mention such strict actions taken against a senior officer just three monthsshort of retirement?
I'm sorry, but this just doesn't add up to me. If this propaganda is supposed to quell the rumors emanating from Alex Jones and other sources, I'm only finding myself even more concerned...

nohope187 08-19-2005 11:28 AM

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Yeah, the official story from USA Today reaks of bullshit. Can smell it a mile away. :-P

Shannow 08-19-2005 04:15 PM

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If the official version is the truth, then they should be discharging every second soldier in Iraq from what I've read.

susej 08-20-2005 10:50 AM

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Thankyou for clearing that up,I read both the articles and am totally convinced that its a cover up,left me feeling really uneasy,the fact that Russia and china decide to have a get together the very same week is surely a sign that theres disaster looming.I wonder how long this motley crew think they can continue on like this before the russians and chinese play the`fuck you`card.or is that what theyre after, total war?

freeman 08-20-2005 02:38 PM

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I wonder how long this motley crew think they can continue on like this before the russians and chinese play the`fuck you`card.or is that what theyre after, total war?
I think they're after the elimination of the U. S.
Even in our current corrupted condition, we still pose too much of a threat to the NWO in terms of free thought and the potential for indenpendent action.
While Bush may at some dysfunctional level represent the last vestiges of American nationalism as Dr. Henry and others have speculated, I think he has also been duped into a situation which will fail and heap enormous reprisals upon the U. S.

55132 08-20-2005 09:48 PM

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To be truthfull the military has a strict code of ethics regarding adultary specialy among officers.
an uncle of mine got demoted and booted because he had an affair. his wife denounced him. he was a captain.

However i am sure it is used selectivly against whom ever they need to.

truebeliever 08-20-2005 11:07 PM

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Has anyone considered the possibility of a "coup" by the Blue Hat "Internationalist" element of U.S armed forces to be on the cards?

The "Neo-Cons" have put in the setup. The over the top Bush administration. Those same "neo-con" elements have now mostly left...some to plumb pozzies in the Internationalist arm of the NWO. I actually believe Bush is a COMPLETE patsy and is actually unaware of his role?

With a continual ramping up of ridiculous behaviours by the "neo-cons" and threats of Armageddon and World the stage being set for a NWO Internationalist take over by the U.N of the continental U.S, based around the moral high ground gained by the ridiculous behaviour of the "neo-con" element?

Have any of you actually considered how TOTALLY ridiculous and OVER THE TOP the "Neo-Con" (actually Stalinist/Trotskyites/Leninist - Statists - Command & Controllers) time has been? They have been OVERTLY OUTRAGES!!!! in their claims and actions. They have literally GALVINISED the "left" into the role of "saviour" through the multilateral and above all "secular - humanist" U.N.

Cant you see the con? Any half wit can work out Bush is an idiot and a danger...big deal. This is PURE PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLOUTION.

I stated about 6 months ago on this site the possibilty of the stage being set for a coup. I thought of this after reading the start to Bill Stills "NWO - Ancient Plan Of Secret Societies". He stated that he heard from a serving, high ranking U.S Army Officer in the early 70's that if Nixon did not go the Armed Forces was ready to stage a coup. Are we aware that Smedley Butler (author of "War Is A Racket" and ex-Marine General) was asked to head a coup to topple...(my memory fails me).

I am convinced this current "sacked" U.S General is part of the beginning of a larger plan that will ensure over the next year or so as the world is plunged into chaos, the U.N will be able to maintain the moral high ground when order is being kept on U.S streets by "Blue Hats".

By the overt staging of combined Russian/Chinese war games, the average person is being led to believe that the rest of the world is reacting to the ridiculous and impossible plans contained in the PENAC document. We are to be led to believe that war is INEVITABLE unless Bush is R-E-M-O-V-E-D. After he has done the D-I-R-T-Y W-O-R-K of course and after all the chaos he's brought on, not ONE peice of the Surveillence Police State will be removed by the Ministry Of Love set up by the U.N on U.S soil.

freeman 08-21-2005 06:11 AM

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I actually believe Bush is a COMPLETE patsy and is actually unaware of his role?
No doubt in my mind about that.
I wish there was a lot more I could argue in that post you just made, truebeliever, but unfortunately (for those of us living in the U. S.), there isn't.
Bush is the unwitting precursor to American revolution. There seems to be no doubt about that.


Have any of you actually considered how TOTALLY ridiculous and OVER THE TOP the "Neo-Con" (actually Stalinist/Trotskyites/Leninist - Statists - Command & Controllers) time has been? They have been OVERTLY OUTRAGES!!!! in their claims and actions. They have literally GALVINISED the "left" into the role of "saviour" through the multilateral and above all "secular - humanist" U.N.

Cant you see the con? Any half wit can work out Bush is an idiot and a danger...big deal. This is PURE PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLOUTION.
Yes, it seems as you say that the whole thing is set up as overtly as possible to enrage the masses to action. For instance, don't you think the neocons could have thought up a better excuse than this to feed the mainstream media about the kneejerk ouster of a four star general with only three months left until retirement?
They want the world to know. They are provoking the reaction, promoting revolution. That is obvious.

Draken 08-21-2005 10:13 AM

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You guys should check out This' and my discussion of Chinese war intentions.

It's nr.82 in this thread...

By Joel M. Skousen</a>

freeman 08-21-2005 12:47 PM

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Thanks, Draken. That Skousen piece was very enlightening, and puts most recent events into perspective.
I have accepted as a given that none of us will ever know all of the details of this sinister conspiracy, but it is reassuring to see more and more investigators converging upon common ground.
Skousen's analysis is probably the best I've seen yet, its grimness notwithstanding.

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