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Dimension_Traveller 10-09-2009 06:23 AM

Best Evidence for aliens
 
I think that we should start a Best Evidence for aliens Thread on here, Can one of the Admin/Mods class it as a Sticky if possible, so everyone can put there photos of them in here.

Eyewitness testimony from people that saw something strange and unidentified in the air. Radar returns, video clips and pictures... But that is all we have so far. To me thats not enough. I need better evidence!!


This is where science comes in.

In science, there is no reasonable doubt. You can either verify an experiment, repeatedly according to the model of the hypothesis, or you cannot. When it comes to ET, you cannot. No one can. There isnt a space agency on the planet, that I know of, that has found any proof of ET life, intelligent or other, dead or alive, anywhere in the universe.


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Roswell, the DSP detection, the Belgian incident of 1990, Shag Harbor, The Iranian UFO Dogfight, Battle of LA, etc,... We even have people posting pictures that they claim are alien artifacts on the moon and Mars.


Yes, some of these UFOs could be alien crafts and alien artifacts. But we need to be 100% sure, and if we cant exclude everything else...well, then all of a sudden, we arent 100% sure, are we!?



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I might say, however, that as an investigator of pseudoscientific topics for over twenty years my experience has taught me that the first things to suspect and look for are fraud, forgery, deception, misrepresentation, sophistry, and specious reasoning, and if these are not in evidence, I then look for illogical reasoning, self-deception, misreading, inadvertently fudged data, and willful misunderstanding, and if these are not in evidence, I then look for ignorance, innocent mistakes, misinterpretations, equipment errors, out-of-date references, overlooked results or causes, etc. Unfortunately, ALL of these items MUST be examined FIRST when investigating any pseudoscientific topic, BEFORE one begins looking for presumed new or unusual natural phenomena.--Steven Schafersman.


Can anyone honestly say he examined and eliminated all the above items before he convinced himself UFOs are Alien star ships?


Sure, Scientist and Engineers, Commercial and military aircrews, Radar experts, Senior military and intelligence officials around the world, Astronomers, Astronauts and cosmonauts, Presidents, Kings, and many other credible folks around the world have all observed strange things in the sky... But, in the end, they merely describe objects observed which defy identification based upon standards which we know regarding aerodynamic performance or characteristics.

UFOs are observed unidentified flying objects. There is nothing else attached to them. Evidence is not something you can observe. That is called an observation.

UFOs, Alien abductions, Area 51, Cattle mutilations, Crop circles, Alien artifacts on Earth/Moon and Mars... What evidence is there, and most importantly, how good is it, that intelligent extraterrestrials are out there, have found Earth, and are now here doing all the things we hear about?

Leonardo 10-09-2009 04:32 PM

Re: Best Evidence for aliens
 
Screw the space aliens!

BlueAngel 10-09-2009 07:05 PM

Re: Best Evidence for aliens
 
I don't think there is a need to make this thread a sticky.

Leonardo 10-13-2009 12:10 PM

Re: Best Evidence for aliens
 
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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 61286)
I don't think there is a need to make this thread a sticky.

Sticky's are not screwed, they're pasted..

Eye-Kon 11-01-2009 07:59 AM

Re: Best Evidence for aliens
 
I've seen UFOs in broad day before however that doesn't mean there from some different planet. They could just be reptilians from inside the earth.

EireEngineer 11-01-2009 05:09 PM

Re: Best Evidence for aliens
 
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Originally Posted by Eye-Kon (Post 62195)
I've seen UFOs in broad day before however that doesn't mean there from some different planet. They could just be reptilians from inside the earth.

OK, i will bite....what did these ufos look like? Also, why would creatures that live inside the earth ever develop flying craft?

Out of the Box 11-06-2009 03:22 AM

Re: Best Evidence for aliens
 
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Originally Posted by EireEngineer (Post 62204)
Also, why would creatures that live inside the earth ever develop flying craft?

He's referring to Hollow Earth theory. I try to explain the concept -> here <-.



RussyB 11-30-2009 12:10 AM

Re: Best Evidence for aliens
 
The Hollow earth representation is awesome, how did you make it?

Out of the Box 11-30-2009 05:28 AM

Re: Best Evidence for aliens
 
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Originally Posted by RussyB (Post 63307)
The Hollow earth representation is awesome, how did you make it?

I did not create this drawing. I found it on the net.

Vera 12-03-2009 11:06 AM

Re: Best Evidence for aliens
 
I have to agree that aliens and the like do not exist. Every case I've ever heard wound up being disproved. The people making the claim were usually drunk, drugged, or just trying to become famous by pulling off a stunt, claiming extra-terrestrials abound.



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Originally Posted by Dimension_Traveller (Post 61245)
I think that we should start a Best Evidence for aliens Thread on here, Can one of the Admin/Mods class it as a Sticky if possible, so everyone can put there photos of them in here.

Eyewitness testimony from people that saw something strange and unidentified in the air. Radar returns, video clips and pictures... But that is all we have so far. To me thats not enough. I need better evidence!!


This is where science comes in.

In science, there is no reasonable doubt. You can either verify an experiment, repeatedly according to the model of the hypothesis, or you cannot. When it comes to ET, you cannot. No one can. There isnt a space agency on the planet, that I know of, that has found any proof of ET life, intelligent or other, dead or alive, anywhere in the universe.




Yes, some of these UFOs could be alien crafts and alien artifacts. But we need to be 100% sure, and if we cant exclude everything else...well, then all of a sudden, we arent 100% sure, are we!?






Can anyone honestly say he examined and eliminated all the above items before he convinced himself UFOs are Alien star ships?


Sure, Scientist and Engineers, Commercial and military aircrews, Radar experts, Senior military and intelligence officials around the world, Astronomers, Astronauts and cosmonauts, Presidents, Kings, and many other credible folks around the world have all observed strange things in the sky... But, in the end, they merely describe objects observed which defy identification based upon standards which we know regarding aerodynamic performance or characteristics.

UFOs are observed unidentified flying objects. There is nothing else attached to them. Evidence is not something you can observe. That is called an observation.

UFOs, Alien abductions, Area 51, Cattle mutilations, Crop circles, Alien artifacts on Earth/Moon and Mars... What evidence is there, and most importantly, how good is it, that intelligent extraterrestrials are out there, have found Earth, and are now here doing all the things we hear about?



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