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Tell Me If I'm Wrong? Is The Tavistok Institute Having Another Psy Op On Us?

This peice of art has been dumped smack bang amongst the male members of the species in Trafalga Square. Psy Op anyone?

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Quinn prepares to unveil Trafalgar Square sculpture

Charlotte Higgins in Pietrasanta, Tuscany
Tuesday September 13, 2005
The Guardian

The first thing you notice about Marc Quinn's sculpture, Alison Lapper Pregnant, is its immense scale. This is 11.5 tonnes of bright-white marble hewn from the Tuscan mountains; it took four Italian craftsmen 10 months to carve its shape. Quinn, the Britartist most famous for casting his head in nine pints of his own blood and then freezing it, is dwarfed by his creation. At 3.5m (11ft 6in) tall, the sculpture is more than three times bigger than the real Alison Lapper. Then there is the subject. Emperors, dictators, popes and potentates - these are the usual sitters for such gargantuan tributes. Not a woman. Let alone a pregnant disabled woman.

This exclusive Guardian preview of the statue, which is destined for Trafalgar Square in London, marked the first time Quinn saw it finished. It was also the last - until it is carefully unwrapped from the packaging protecting it on its journey from Italy and unveiled to the public on Thursday. "I love the idea of someone digging it up in 5,000 years' time and wondering who it was," Quinn told the Guardian.

The colossal carving has been painstakingly made by artisans working under Quinn's direction in a sculpture workshop in Pietrasanta, near Pisa. It is a scaled-up version of a life cast made by the sculptor. Creating it has taken a gruelling 10 months; two alone were devoted to finding the right chunk of marble from the nearby quarries. Next, craftsmen from the marble workshop of Franco Cervietti worked on it; his brother Moreno hewed out its basic shape; Giuseppe Raffaeta gave it precise form; Italo Lenzoni then worked in the the finest detailing. When not realising this sculpture, these artisans might be working on anything from statues of world leaders to decorative reliefs for a Russian oligarch's Moscow palace.

This sculptors' yard is also like a chaotic museum where angels, saints, popes and gods jostle for space. Saddam Hussein sits next to George Bush Sr.

The final month of work has seen Quinn's sculpture carefully polished with sandpaper and pumice, giving it a blinding white sheen from which sheets of light seem to bounce. In this workshop they have made bigger sculptures, among them six 5m-tall copies of Michelangelo's David taken from a cast of the original. But never, even though they have collaborated with artists such as Jeff Koons and Niki de Saint Phalle, have they worked on a more controversial piece. Even before it is unveiled, Alison Lapper Pregnant has been written off by some as too PC, kitsch, literal and reductive that it cannot aspire to the condition of art. "My feeling is people will warm to it," said Quinn. "But that could just be naive optimism."

When it is unveiled on Trafalgar Square's empty fourth plinth (intended in the 19th century to carry an equestrian statue, but the money ran out), it will be "in dialogue with the other statues in the square", according to Quinn.

These, including Nelson's Column, are all commemorations of military victory and male might. Alison Lapper Pregnant, too, is an unmistakably powerful image - her jutting chin and erect pose are consciously heroic - but the subject is from one of the least powerful, least noted groups in the country. To Quinn it is important that she is pregnant: "It's a sculpture about the future, rather than past achievements."

He hopes the statue might encourage people to examine again our landscape of public sculpture. "No one really looks at it," he said. "But this statue will mess with people's subconscious. It's as if someone has come into your room when you're not there and moved the bed."

The sculpture, selected from a list of submissions by the Fourth Plinth Commissioning Group, under the auspices of the mayor of London, will tower over the square for 18 months, after which it will be replaced by Thomas Schütte's Hotel for the Birds. Quinn hopes, however, that this will not be the end for Alison Lapper Pregnant. He would like it to be bought by a sympathetic individual, and permanently displayed in London - "maybe next to Field Marshall Haig, on Whitehall". He believes London is the only city in the world that could have commissioned such a sculpture. "It's a city that's not afraid of taking risks. It's a place that's full of tradition, but also about innovation, capable of embracing the future. And it's a city of diversity - this work embraces that, too."

Finally, after the statue has been admired by its creator, he signs it in pencil on its left buttock. An eagle - a good omen - soars overhead. Next, workmen swaddle it in plastic, loop it up in chains, and precariously, slowly, lift on to a truck ready to be packed for its journey. What if they drop it? "If they do," said Quinn, "the sculpture will be these three guys crucified in Trafalgar Square. For real."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1568650,00.html

Forgive me...God bless this tough little woman. But it smacks of "fucking with my mind" when they stick this freak show smack bang in the middle of Trafalga Square amongst the "greats" (you know what I mean) like Lord Nelson.

It smacks of a smarmy bunch of "hairy arm pit challenged" feminists having a good go at the males inbetween zuchini breaks.

I really object to this. You should see it sitting in Trafalga Square, it looks ridiculous. Could'nt find a pic of it actually up their yet.

Henry Makow, calling Henry Makow...they're at it again!

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Heres another. You must see it actually in Trafalgar Square. Utterly ridiculous. But then, who says art was'nt meant to challenge the senses.

The sculptor is famous for casting his head in his own blood...all 9 pints of it and then freezing it...maybe eating an unborn child will be on the cards next?

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Woops! Too late! Whats the problem? It's art!

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Baby-eating art show sparks upset
A controversial UK TV programme featuring a Chinese artist apparently eating a stillborn baby has received a number of complaints from viewers.

About 15 viewers called in to complain following the transmission on Thursday night, while 50 others had already contacted Channel 4 to register their disgust before it was even aired.

Conservative MP Ann Widdecombe was one of those who had condemned the Beijing Swings documentary, which featured extreme art in China, as "hideous" before it was shown.

An estimated 900,000 tuned in to see the documentary, which went out at 2300 GMT on Thursday. It was beaten in the ratings by the 1997 movie Beverly Hills Cop II, which attracted 3.4 million viewers.

Beijing Swings featured footage of a man drinking wine that had an amputated penis added to it, as part of an investigation into extreme practices in China.

Cannibalism

The documentary also included stills of artist Zhu Yu biting into the body of a stillborn baby.

A Channel 4 spokesman said that while it takes all comments and complaints seriously, it stands by its decision to broadcast the programme.

The artist, Zhu Yu, was quoted as saying: "No religion forbids cannibalism.

"Nor can I find any law which prevents us from eating people. I took advantage of the space between morality and the law and based my work on it."

Mr Yu, who is a Christian, claims religion plays a major role in his work.

But before seeing the show, Ms Widdecombe said: "This programme sounds hideous."

The documentary's presenter, Sunday Times art critic Waldemar Januszczak, defended the documentary on BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

'Deluded'

While he did not defend Mr Yu's practice, he said: "It is worth trying to understand why China is producing the most outrageous, the darkest art, of anywhere in the world."

The Chinese embassy in London also reportedly also condemned the programme.

Mr Yu's performance show, Eating People, was originally shown in 2000. It has been shown at the Third Shanghai Biennale in China.

Mr Yu's work is part of a wave of extreme art that has swept contemporary Chinese artistic circles.

The ministry of culture cracked down on what it termed "shock art" after the country was announced as the host to hold the 2008 Olympics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2624797.stm

I say we should see a massive instantaneous sacrifice of 3 billion humans all at once? Art? Hmmmmm...why not? Anything goes in the age of Aquarious baby!

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The artist, Zhu Yu, was quoted as saying: "No religion forbids cannibalism.

"Nor can I find any law which prevents us from eating people. I took advantage of the space between morality and the law and based my work on it."

Mr Yu, who is a Christian, claims religion plays a major role in his work.

Boy! Look, another missing peice from the Bible! Must be in chapter...See how dangerous religion is? I think we should ban it.

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Just think about it...
China is country with so much censure that you can't even type the word democracy in the internet without a robot scan getting to you. If you say something wrong, you may be heading to the execution squad, to have your colagen harvested from your corpse later to be sold in cosmetics in Europe (true story).
And then comes a man and does this outrageous thing.
Of course he is allowed and commanded by the Party to do it !!!
Nothing happens in China that is not controlled. This shit is probably just one more attack in the holiness of life, one more degradation of human beings...why not eat the baby, it is just meat, just a biological machine to be controlled and disposed of by the Party, while they ride in their BMWs.

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Of course he is allowed and commanded by the Party to do it !!!

And he just happens to make a point of describing himself as a "Christian" while he ridicules all relgions for not banning cannibalism openly in their dogma.
Yup, I think you've got it right, Saturnino.
When's the last time you heard of a work of art that glorifies the independence of the human spirit being promulgated by Big Brother -- either in China or any country?
Psy-ops for sure, TB. Trying to subliminally drag us right down to the animal level like Dr. Makow says, to desensitize us.
Personally I prefer dogs playing poker.

Re: Tell Me If I'm Wrong? Is The Tavistok Institute Having Another Psy Op On Us?

reminds me of those people in San Francisco or NYC that shit on canvas and made a picture with their shit.

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and they had a federal arts grant to do it too.

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reminds me of those people in San Francisco or NYC that shit on canvas and made a picture with their shit.

Thank God I missed that. Christo was bad enough.

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and they had a federal arts grant to do it too.

Don't they always? From Robert Maplethorpe to Dr. Henry's Lesbian Rangers this kind of "art" always manages to jump to the head of the government aid line.

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The problem is that people is so desensitized (spell ?) that soon the "artist" will have to commit suicide or something like that to call attention.

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The problem is that people is so desensitized (spell ?) that soon the "artist" will have to commit suicide or something like that to call attention.

Well SAT...when the word of God no longer does it for you...you have to find your ultimate values somehow. :-D

I persoanlly rely on Oprah and Dr Phil for my bounderies...but, each to his own.