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Jews 4 Jesus..."What proof do you have that Jesus was the Messiah?"
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I'm a free spirit at heart looking here and looking there for the "truth". At the moment, Christianity sure looks like it. Especially as every man and his dog is trying to destroy it at all times. Which confirms for me that it pisses off the right people and speaks a truth that is dangerous to power. |
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Actually. I'm suspicious of this website.
Can people with more knowledge comment? |
Re: Jews 4 Jesus..."What proof do you have that Jesus was the Messiah?"
The response to this attack from the Jews.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.com/ :-D |
Re: Jews 4 Jesus..."What proof do you have that Jesus was the Messiah?"
I dont know the answer to these questions NOMAD.
All I know is that when I try to disbelieve the truth of Christ...i get a cold chill down my spine. Call it stupid faith. Maybe I'll grow out of it and join the rational, reasonable people one day. I'll try not to bag the Jews so much. But I cant gaurantee anything. :-D |
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True Believer ... we have absolute proof of the
devine origin of the Torah ... whether Jeeezus was its' author is an open question. |
Re: Jews 4 Jesus..."What proof do you have that Jesus was the Messiah?"
No worries.
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Re: Jews 4 Jesus..."What proof do you have that Jesus was the Messiah?"
It takes a lot of stubborness for a Jew who knows the Torah to deny Christ as a Messiah. I mean, dozens of prophecies were fulfilled. When the Jews accept the antiChrist, it will be because He will promise power in this world, a thing they were expecting of Jesus but that He refused to give (my kingdom is not of this world, He said). In other words, they will accept what is more comfortable and profitable for them, not whom fulfills God's promises and prophecies.
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ANY other language Torah, I could see your point Saturnino ... The HEBREW Torah however, even the Pope would swear is a completely different book. |
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Which is not to say that Christ was not a holy man, if not the veritable Son of God.. it just means that Christianity and Judaism really have nothing much to do w/ each other (other than the historical accident that Jesus was born a Jew). Christianity is the continuation and perpetuation of the ancient Egyptian Mysteries and of ancient Egyptian Sun Worship. The Christian God, just like the Egyptian Sun God, is born on Dec 25 (near the winter solstice), He resurrects on the spring equinox, He's surrounded by a "house" of 12 apostles (i.e., signs of the zodiac), the apostles also describe Christ as "light" or being "clothed in the light" or "shining forth in light" or "his face shines like the Sun", etc.. Jesus is, in other words, the Sun God Himself incarnate.. Judaism, on the other hand, is the continuation of and perputation of (Persian) Zoroastrian fire worship. The Zoroastrians were the first true monotheists, and they worshipped their God in the form of fire. The Hebrew God of the OT, also, universally manifests himself as "fire".. either in the form of a "burning bush" or as a pillar of cloud and fire and smoke wandering through a desert.. Moreover, when the Hebrew God created heaven and earth (Gen 1:1), he didn't create "Heaven" per se, what he created was "shamayim", which translates out of Hebrew more like "fire-water" than it does as "heaven".. The word "Jesse" comes from the same root as the Hebrew word for fire ("esh"), and therefore the "branch of Jesse" is to be understood better as a "smoldering wick" or a "branch to be lit w/ fire", etc.. The legend of "Moses" is an (imho obvious) corruption of the Persian god "Mazda", etc.. Judaism did not exist on this planet before (circa) 500 BC, when it was created by the Persian (Zoroastrian) Emperor Cyrus as a "buffer zone policy" to protect Persia against the Egyptans. Cyrus deployed a bunch of Babylonian Magi (Magi who bore names like Nehemiah and Ezra) into the Levant to colonize the pagan Canaanites, and win them over (politically) towards Persia and away from Egypt. Hence all the language in the OT about "this is our land" and "God gave us this land", etc.. the Persians were trying to colonize Palestine, and if they could convince the pagan Canaanites that such colonization was the "Will" of God, so much the better. Hence also all the blatant anti-Sun-Worship propaganda in the OT.. the most obvious example is Joshua, servant of YHVH, who is able to command the Sun to stop in its tracks and move backwards, etc.. (the message clearly being "If you're an Egyptian and you worship the Sun, look at the power that our Zoroastrian God YHVH has! YHVH is soo powerful that He can command even the Sun god!").. the rest of the OT is rife w/ anti-Sun Worship (i.e., anti-Egyptian) propaganda as well.. (i.e., the (true) historical legend of the Canaanite Shepard Kings being warped into (false) the anti-Egyptian story of Moses, etc). At any rate, point is Christianity and Judiasm are (ultimately) pretty much unconnected w/ each other.. In fact, if anything, they've historically been the deepest of political opponents (going back to the wars between Egypt and Persia).. certainly Christianity was never "prophesized" in the Jewish OT.. |
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Following up on my own post, when you read the OT, don't start reading it at Genesis 1:1.. Instead, start reading it at 2 Chronicles 36:23, and work backwards from there. If you do that, it will become *blazingly* obvious (no pun intended!) that Judaism is nothing more than Persian Zoroastrianism, adopted to fit the needs of an Imperial colonization project in Palestine.. (to buffer against the influence of Egypt) :-P
(btw, if this is true, it utterly destroys all Jewish claims on the Holy Land as being the "Will" of God.. the Jewish claim on that land crumbles into little more than an ancient decree issued by an aging Persian monarch, and the legends of Moses, David and Solomon crumble into little more than fairy tales w/ about as much *historical* truth to them as Frodo Baggins has).. |
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