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The True Death Toll at the WTC on 911

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Day of 9/11 - Part II: The Aftermath
02:48 PM 11 September 2001: Estimates of 50,000 dead in New York are being bandied about.

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/29/gen.a...tack/index.html
The death toll from those [911] attacks is estimated at more than 6,000.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/23/...ain675839.shtml
The city was only able to identify remains for about 1,600 of the victims at the World Trade Center, the medical examiner's office also collected "about 10,000 unidentified bone and tissue fragments, that cannot be matched to the list of the dead."

Primary Document Archive: Antisemitic Conspiracism Post 9-11

Evidence of Mossad Treachery in the WTC, by Ed Toner November 25, 2001.

Let's look at the hard evidence indicating the Mossad had foreknowledge of the September 11 attack. The day after the attack on the World Trade Center, the Jerusalem Post, the most respected and famous Israeli newspaper in the world, reported that 4,000 Israelis were missing in the attack on the WTC.

Tough day at the office

THERE is an on going Internet debate and controversy about the number of Jewish casualties in the World Trade Center tragedy. How many Israelis did survive the bombing, the discussion below summarizes different and often untenable positions.

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The Jerusalem Post, Wednesday September 12, 2001: Thousands of Israelis missing near WTC & Pentagon - The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.

The list is made up of people who have not yet made contact with friends or family, Army Radio reported, telephone connections between Israel and the New York City and Washington, D.C. areas has been sporadic and unreliable since the multiple attacks yesterday.

Ten thousand people are estimated to have been killed in the New York attacks and another 800 in Washington, several hundred also went down with the hijacked planes.

Update: September 13, 2001: Four Israelis were almost certainly in the twin towers of the World Trade Center when they collapsed, the Israeli consul in New York said this evening, he added that in all likelihood, four more Israelis in nearby buildings are also among the casualties, Army Radio reported.

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Update: Thursday September 13, 2001: Search in NYC locates 1,000 missing Israelis, by Melissa Radler

NEW YORK, Sept. 13 2001 -- The number of Israelis considered missing in New York dropped to three last night when Ya'acov Habbi and his daughter Gali were located. Ya'acov, who lives near the World Trade Center, and Gali were trapped in a car next to the site for about 20 hours.

The Foreign Ministry compiled the number from Israeli relatives who in the first few hours after the attack, contacted the Israeli Foreign Ministry and gave the names of Israeli friends and relatives who worked in the WTC or who had business scheduled in it or its adjacent structures.

Even without seeing the article in the Jerusalem Post, logic alone would tell you that there would be many hundreds, if not thousands of Israelis in the World Trade Center at the time of the attacks. The international Jewish involvement in banking and finance is legendary. Two of the richest firms in New York are Goldman-Sachs and the Solomon Brothers; and both firms have offices in the Twin Towers.

Many executives in these firms regularly commute back and forth to Israel, New York is the center of world wide Jewish financial power and the World Trade Center is at its epicenter, one would expect the Israeli death toll to be catastrophic..

Ed Toner: When George Bush made his speech before Congress, he made a point of saying that in addition to thousands of Americans, 130 Israelis died in the WTC, the implication was to say that Israel shared in our suffering, and that we and Israel are in this thing together.

However if 4,000 Israelis were at the WTC, and the death toll was about 4,500 or about 10 percent of the 45,000 people normally in the buildings at that time, the Israeli toll should have probably been between 300 and 500.

The world Trade Center housed tens of thousands of highly paid, high tech and high level jobs and executive positions, which were primarily international finance, trade, banking and brokerage firms, the kinds of businesses where Israelis are traditionally over represented.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/22/nyregion/22NUMB.html

Officials say number of those still missing may be overstated - NYTimes.com September 22, 2001

Interviews with many consulate officials yesterday suggested that the lists of people they were collecting varied widely in their usefulness, for example, the city had somehow received reports of many Israelis feared missing at the site, and President Bush in his address to the country on Thursday night mentioned that about 130 Israelis had died in the attacks.

Today, Alon Pinkas, Israel's consul general here, said that lists of the missing included reports from people who had called in because, for instance, relatives in New York had not returned their phone calls from Israel. There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on business and who was identified and buried.

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Ed Toner: Of the 130 Israelis President Bush claimed had died in the World Trade Center, it turned out that 129 of them were still alive, and that only one Israeli had actually died in the catastrophe, while there were an estimated 199 dead from Columbia and 428 from the Philippines.

It is a statistical impossibility, even if the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Jerusalem Post had grossly overestimated the number of Israelis there by 3,00 or 400 percent, there still should have still been one thousand Israelis there at the time of the attacks.

Newsbytes, a news service of the Washington Post, titled "Instant Messages To Israel Warned Of WTC Attack." The Israeli daily, Ha'aretz, also confirmed the prior warnings to Israel, and confirmed that the FBI is investigating the warnings.

The articles detailed that an Israeli messaging firm, Odigo, with offices in both the World Trade Center and in Israel, received a number of warnings just two hours before the attack.. who would have warned Israelis of the impending attack, if not Mossad?

http://www.google.com.au/search?num=100&hl...&meta=&aq=f&oq= .. Scrutiny of the WTC victims lists, does indeed expose a dearth of Jewish names!

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I do not dispute the figure of four hundred dead Jews, since there appears to be around about that many Jewish names on the official list .. http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/...ial-list_x.htm .. Official list of the victims of the World Trade Center attack.

Maybe they failed to get the warnings that were distributed via Odigo Hebrew language messaging, via text messages, and from the pulpit of NY synagogues the Friday before!

So if we take the official toll of around 3,000 dead and divide by the four hundred dead Jews, we arrive at a figure of around one in twelve, while the Jew population of New York is usually stated to be twelve and a half percent or around one in eight.

Add the unknown number of Jews with non Jewish names who perished to the list, to bring the number to parity .. However the official death toll of some under 3,000 dead is a gross underestimation!

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Day of 9/11 - Part II: The Aftermath .. 02:48 PM 11 September 2001: Estimates of 50,000 dead in New York are being bandied about.

Ok now we re compute the figures using the upper estimate above, which is by no means the highest figure since Peter Jennings, in consultation with NY Port Authority persons on late afternoon of the same day, made an estimate of around eighty thousand dead!

So divide the four hundred into fifty thousand, and we find that only one in 125 were Jews, whereas using the same total Jewish population of NY as twelve and a half percent, there should have been around four thousand dead Jews!

Using Peter Jennings upper estimate of eighty thousand dead, and using the official number of four hundred dead Jews, only one in two hundred was a Jew, and there should have been around 6400 dead Jews .. So quite obviously the official death toll of some under 3,000, was tailored to fit the number of Jew dead!

I am gonna advance the notion that the four hundred Jews who died at the WTC on 911 were warned, they realized that the scope of the disaster and the magnitude of the treachery, would stain the Jewish nation and people forever, and that they chose to die with their work comrades rather than be part of it all.

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The other notion that I entertain is that they were suicide Zionists who stayed in the building, and it was they who went about throwing ppl out of the windows at Cantor Fitzgerald for instance.