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Thumper 09-27-2005 10:49 AM

theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
are they inherently evil, and where do they come from?

Bouncer 09-27-2005 02:48 PM

Re: theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
Well, here's my two cenz:
Both Old and New Testaments are replete with caveats and warnings regarding sacrifice to foreign gods, as well as building altars to them or worshipping man-made images, etc. The warnings usually include a reference to the fallen angels who rebelled against the throne of Heaven. These angels are quite intelligent and powerful. Lucifer was at one time the highest archangel and was the choirmaster for Heaven itself! It is no wonder that Satan would seek human worship. His temptation of Jesus in the desert included an invitation to bow down before him with the promise of unlimited power over all of the earthly kingdoms. Jesus refused.

Saturnino 09-27-2005 04:29 PM

Re: theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
Sometimes they are just too evil. If you have seen a deliverance session once, you would see how glad they are about the suffering they bring to people. They hate humans in a way that is difficult to understand...I mean, even evil humans need a break, but demons seem to work 24/7. They hate and envy us because they know they can't be redeemed as we can.

But since they are very hierarchical, I guess they would have their butts kicked by their chiefs if they don't work very hard with their evil actions.

A good book with deep study of those evil spirits is:
"Angels, Satan and Demons" by Robert Lightner.
A more practical one would be "Prepare for War" from Rebecca Brown.

Barbara 09-28-2005 08:21 AM

Re: theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
"And the Elhoim said, 'Let US make man in our image and after our likeness'; ONE of them said, "I will place enmity between thy SEED and the SEED of the woman.'" This latter statement stated to a creation of yet another "god" they called Satan (adversary) who was around concurrently.

Genesis, to me, says there were several/many whom the Bible referred to as "gods," especially where/when the creation of Earth man is concerned. Not all of them seemed to like each other. The duality of GOOD and EVIL, LIGHT and DAKNESS, has forever played itself out on the planet.

In addition, it would seem that we have at least two distince "seed lines" who are to be enemies until Gabriel toots his horn.

Since everything is relative and, amongst humans, subjective, besides the suggested differences between the creations, throw in the mix of religions and we can see how far that enmity has taken us.

There's some interesting stuff in the Popul Vu that bears on the "gods" and their creations, too.

Bouncer 09-28-2005 08:39 AM

Re: theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
Thanks, Sat. Also remember that to rebuke or dispel demons requires the authority behind Jesus' name. On the other hand, the book of James merely tells us to resist. The name and the blood of Jesus are miraculously powerful against the enemy of souls. I believe that Lucifer hates and envies us because we are created in God's likeness. We are the only beings in God's creation who can create a new life. This is the basic purpose of sex, and look what's happened to it! Also, Lucifer hates and desparately tries to destroy anything that displays God's love for us, anything pure and innocent is ridiculed by him; anything that points us back to God and our need for him is a target for Luciferian organizations, as you can see in the news every week.

Saturnino 09-28-2005 02:48 PM

Re: theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
Sorry Barbara, but the right interpretation of Elohim is the plural person of God, meaning the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit decided to create man. It has nothing to do with creation of other gods.

And when God says that he will put enemity between the seed of Eve and Satan, He was saying that eventually Eve would have a seed (a distant son, Jesus) who would defeat Satan. This is the first promise and prophecy about Jesus. The rest of the paragraph says that Satan would bite His heel, meaning he would hurt Jesus at the cross, but he would be crushed by Him (totally defeated at the end).

Draken 09-28-2005 03:35 PM

Re: theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
Quite nifty little interpreting there, Sat... You don't have to explain, it's self-evident.;-)

Barbara 09-28-2005 07:59 PM

Re: theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
Sat, 3 "gods" in one is polytheism, poorly hidden. Monotheism is ONE god.

If the seed of the woman was Jesus, who is the seed of Satan? There has to be one for enmity to take place.

Best I can tell, there was only one group that were the declared enemies of Jesus and that was the jews of that day.

He threw them out of the temple for moneychanging, told them they were of their father, the Devil, a liar and the father of lies, and his works they would do. They chose Barabas to be set free and Jesus to be crucified. "GIVE US BARABAS!"

From what I have read of Christianity in Brazil, it is a mix of Voodoo, Catholocism, something like Santeria and pagan ritual. They keep the Catholic statuary on their altars but they use the blood of animals and chickens in their ceremonies.

Saturnino 09-29-2005 07:29 AM

Re: theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
Barbara, please.
God is one, manifested in Three persons of the same character and substance. This is not politheism. It is the concept of the Trinity. Think about water in gas, ice and vapor states. No, I don't understand how it is possible, but that is really beyond my and your comprehension. Anyway, it is clear from the Bible.

Which seed of Satan are you talking about ? Which verse in Genesis ?

Yes, Jesus said that those who follow Satan had Satan as a "father", meaning they followed him, but this has nothing to do with that verse in Genesis.

What you said about Christianity in Brazil is totally wrong and prejudiced. You are talking about Macumba, which is really voodoo with Catholic syncretism, concentrated in the state of Bahia, where the African presence is strong. It would be the same as I told you that Christians in the US are ALL Mormons because they are Mormons in Utah or that they are voodoo followers because there is vooddo in New Orleans.

Less than 1% (ONE) of the population follows this voodoo stuff in Brazil. And I am surely NOT one of them ! :-D

On the other hand, more than 25% are evangelicals and the rest is probably Catholic.

Barbara 09-29-2005 08:44 AM

Re: theological question: what are the other 'gods' that are talked about in the Bible?
San, this applies to you so I am copying it as my last word on the subject. For my part I am satisfied to say that you and I can agree to disagree.

This was written regarding another article but it applicable here.

One last effort to make my position clear and then I am leaving the subject of religion.

1. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU BELIEVE, that is up to you. I disregard Kaminski's rants on Christianity and Judaism - taking that which interests me and skipping the rest. He has his reasons for being anti-religion, you have your reasons for being pro-religion. FINE, both ways.

2. To understand what is written, whether it be an article that I post or the replies that others post, I try to understand where those who commit their thoughts to words are coming from, whether it be Kaminski or Freeman or TrueBeliever.

More than anything, I try to recognize the difference between the facts that they are offering as opposed to their opinions. The only basis for debate is of the facts, not opinions. I would have to know everything about a person and what contributed to his/her particular belief system. NO THANKS.

3. While I am irreligious, IT IS FINE WITH ME if you or the whole world is not. There are enough religions out there for everybody that wants one to have one. Be my guest.

DO NOT USE THOSE RELIGIONS which hinge on one's belief system to argue facts because it becomes a vicious cycle. I was not there when "God said...," so I don't know if that is what he said or not or even what he might have meant IF he said whatever - or who's god said it.

From having studied the Bible I have a fair knowledge of what is written and can talk with you concerning it, offering quotes for your consideration as a counterpoint in a discussion. Past that, forget it.

4. According to the writings of Albert Pike to his peer in Italy, Gusippe Macinni (sp?) they intend to "wear out" both religion and athiesm, no doubt through wars, so that they can establish their One World Religion which is Luciferian. (I will reject that one, too, if I am still around)

5. I BELIEVE that you cannot have a creation without a creator. I do not know if he/she/it has a name. If I ever knew it I have forgotten. Every religion has a name for this entity or force. Along with the name comes all the rhetoric and dogma that is attached. That is where I opt out.

6. When I open my eyes in the morning I am grateful for another day in which to maybe do some good or at least do no harm to any living thing. I am better at "a hand up" than "a hand out," although I have been known to do that on occasion, too.

I love the pursuit of knowledge and the open exchange of ideas. I detest petty bickering and "nit-picking." I do not "agitate" for anything, staying with a subject only as long as reason, logic and interest dictate.

My "cause," if you could call it that, is for the return and furtherance of individual rights and freedom - both of action, thought and expression. Anyone or group who sets about to curb or destroy those rights and that freedom are in my crosshairs, as you can see from my posts and comments.

Now, let's move on.

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