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Barbara 10-01-2005 07:06 AM

Illusion of Democracy by Luiz Pontual

Hi Barbara

My real name is Luiz Pontual.
My nickname, Old Turtle.
Someone posted a text of mine titled "The illusion of democracy", but, don't know why, René Guénon appears as the real author and me, just as his translator.
You can see my book on my site (english version).
Well Barbara, I'd like to fix that on CLUBCONSPIRACY.
Could you please help me?

Best regards,

Luiz Pontual

(How's that, Old Turtle?) :-D

Barbara 10-01-2005 07:40 AM

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nohope187 10-01-2005 06:26 PM

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Actually, it should be titled "Illusion of Constitutional Republic". Democracy is a dialectical tool. :-P

10-02-2005 07:13 AM

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If you just want to get at the nuts and bolts of the matter, it should be entitled

"The Illusion of Paraconstitutional Oligarchy in the nominal socio-political matrices pseudo-republics of the United States and the United Kingdom in particular, and members of the United Nations shadow governement in general."

Turgid, yes. But accurate.

OldTurtle 10-02-2005 07:28 AM

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The illusion of democracy

Luiz Pontual


The idea of this book goes back to 1981, when we intensely studied the masterly works of René Guénon [1]. His work was something unknown and truly revolutionary for us intellectually, in the etymological sense of a return to the origins.

Several of Guénon’s books denounce modernity as being a monstrosity, the result of a rupture with all authentic traditions of humanity from its early origins. On the other hand, Guénon rescued for the West its true traditions, concordant in essence with the Eastern doctrines.

“Democracy” is just a modern tool in the service of materialism, of the massification of ignorance and mediocrity: its fundaments cannot seriously support themselves, as demonstrated on the very first lines of this book, and, notwithstanding, these fundaments have become true taboos. No one can criticize democracy without soon being labeled a “Nazi”[2], be it by the left wing or be it by the so-called liberals.

However, due to his high function and intellectual qualification, René Guénon addressed himself exclusively to a select minority. A plot of silence surrounds his works for almost a century, with the result of him being unknown, in spite of the importance of his books. Our aim is to reach a considerable number of people potentially capable of understanding the motives and backstage of the “democratic” farce tragically unrolling before our eyes, as long as furnished with sufficient and necessary arguments and information.

“Do You Still Believe in Democracy?” is the, no doubt imperfect, result of the project of putting forward some of Guénon’s decisive arguments to all those capable of understanding them. If, on one hand, they cruelly unmask the democratic farce, on the other, they rescue the true everlasting values of humanity, i.e., the transcendence implied in all authentic religions and sacred doctrines.

But we shouldn’t limit ourselves to denounce of the “democratic” farce or, in other words, to its total lack of principles. It is also necessary to demonstrate, even if superficially, how and when this anomaly was conceived and implemented. With this goal in mind we will examine some decisive historic facts, as the birth of the protestant movement and its terrible consequences: the materialism and the restless fight against the true traditional religions and doctrines.

In no other place in the world the “democratic” (and protestant) idea went so far as in the United States, that nowadays commands with heavy hand the “globalization”. But, after all, what is this project of global hegemony? It is the imposition to all the countries, with no exception, of the materialistic and un-religious point of view of the “American democracy”. And for those countries that refuse to submit, the threat of invasion and military occupation.

The reader will be able to understand better the reasons and meaning of the “9/11”[3] after he sees the causes and goals of the democratic ideology. The “9/11” is a typical American conspiracy[4], armed to serve as a trigger to the frontal war against all religions, in general, and Islam, specially.

As it is already an accomplished fact in Afghanistan and Iraq (Syria and Iran are the most probable next targets), the American-zionist[5] goal is the invasion, occupation and imposition of the democratic ideology, with also, of course, the appropriation of natural resources of strategic importance, as oil and water.

The recent international political events aren’t isolated episodes or even steps in the geo-politic USA project. They are, as we can see in the next pages, something of incomparable wider scope, already announced in all the authentic traditional forms: the final war, with the materialistic point of view fighting all the true religions and doctrines (in last stance, fighting against God, as if it was a possibility), what represents nothing less that the end of a cycle of this mankind, with the advent of the Antichrist.

An Important Warning about Judaism and Zionism

In a recent article published in The New York Times,[6] Ian Buruna gives us a few indications of the dominant climate in the US after the “New Reichtag Fire,”[7] i.e., the September 11 event. He says, “To argue against the Israeli policy has become an antipatriotic action.” Note that here the US—Israel association is complete, as if they were one only nation, which is what in reality occurs. Buruna recalls that the American member of the House of Representatives, James Moran, a democrat, said, “If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community to this war against Iraq, we would not be doing this,” and that in England, Tam Dalyell, a long time member of the Labor Party, expressed a similar point of view. The difference is that the American representative was immediately forced to apologize, whereas the British did not undergo any pressure of the sort.

We today know that the first Patriot Act (under Clinton, post-Oklahoma) and the second Patriot Act, after September 11, removes from American residents — American-born or not — some of their fundamental rights to freedom foreseen in the Constitution. Any person can be singled out, with no formal accusation, as a collaborator (“consciously or not”) to terrorism, and can be spied on, investigated, detained, imprisoned, sued, and deprived of American citizenship and even deported “to any part of the world where a constituted government exists or not”[8] with no right of defense. And more: if he asks for an attorney, the professional chosen will be considered conniving with terrorism. It is the death of the Civil Rights and of Democracy, as the USA Constituition defines it.

In these Orwellian[9] circumstances, it is not hard evaluating the importance of this note — in the sense that it explains the fundamental difference between Judaism and Zionism.[10]

First, it is worth emphasizing that Judaism is a legitimate religion, i.e., an orthodox traditional form of which the Revealed Book, the Torah, is the cornerstone. Without the Torah and faith, the People of Israel do not exist.

Second, Zionism is a very recent political movement, only going back a century, while Judaism has existed for four millenniums. Zionism is not synonymous with Judaism, quite the contrary: its postulates are diametrically opposed to those of the People of Israel. Zionism is materialistic, and its project of constituting a mundane state with an army is something never foreseen in Judaism as a religion.

Third, it is extremely important to recall that Zionism, in its condition of a laic and materialist movement, opposes religions in general, including Judaism. Thus, the supposed associating of Zionism with the People of Israel is entirely unreal and false, be it as individuals or as a community. The very name “State of Israel” is a Zionist usurpation upon true Jews, aiming at “legitimizing” in some way the Zionist State, front troop of the United States in the Middle East with the intention of destroying religions in general (including Judaism[11]) and, specially, Islam. By definition, all Zionists are not, in the full sense of the term, Jews.

Another fundamental point for clarification refers to the generalized and simplistic accusations of “anti-Semitism” and “racism” largely relying in the ignorance of the masses. Several ancient groups belong to the Semitic branch from which Arabs and Jews are today the ones more widely known. This explanation points out the error of accusing anyone contesting Zionism (for example, an Arab banished from his historic land) of being “anti-Semitic!” Another error as grave as this is confusing ethnicity with race: there are Jews of various ethnicities (including the Arabic). Today, only one people and their country can be identified with a race: the Chinese. All others, with no exceptions, constitute more or less complex racial and / or ethnic blends.

This explicative note, in the current circumstances justifies itself, for the choleric reactions of those that feel themselves unmasked in their truly diabolical designs are predictable. As we will see later, the Zionist movement is the external agent of occult and terrible forces[12] intending the impossible: to annihilate all religions and destroy God.

Chapter I

The Democratic Illusion

One of the false cornerstones of “democracy” is the vote, which ideally should be a collective judgment on the art of governing. Still, no one could sincerely defend the eccentric idea that a majority is intellectually qualified and has sufficient knowledge about administration and government to the point of exercising judgment on these matters.

Maintaining due proportions, such equalitarian supposition would equate claiming that everyone is qualified, for example, for deliberating on a medical matter. A real situation, such as that of a person hit by a car, could well illustrate such absurdity. A person has just been hit and is seriously injured. A dozen curious onlookers anxiously observe the event. What is the plausible criterion for determining which among them can help the injured person? Naturally, those qualified to do it, that is, doctors or nurses. A voting would be entirely preposterous, for a majority is never qualified for medical, as well as administrational, functions.

This reasoning being valid regarding the destiny of a person hit by a car, it is evident that if we take in account the destiny of millions of individuals — which is what is involved in the case of government elections — we ascertain that it is a huge irresponsibility.

There are a variety of examples of the absurdity of the “democratic cornerstone” claiming the superiority of the majority, i.e., that an opinion defended by a greater number of individuals is superior to the one defended, for example, by a minority qualified for opining.

How could it be sustained that 200 bottles of cheap wine, just because of their number, hold a superior content to that of a single glass of topnotch wine?

Or else, how could it be claimed that 1450 individuals, of the most varied professions, will be better qualified than a single specialist for solving a matter of quantum physics?

At the origin of the Democratic Illusion lies a denial of natural hierarchy, a hierarchy that establishes itself from top to bottom, i.e., from the qualitatively highest, the spiritual, to the least high, the material, and that has its clearest expression in the Hindu Caste Doctrine. But the mentors of democracy projected it “based” on what is most coarsely material and quantitative.

The denial of the qualitative superiority and of hierarchy blossoms at the end of the Middle Ages, more precisely in the year 1303, with the destruction of the Temple Order by Philip, surnamed The Fair, then King of France. This monarch ordered a siege to the palace of the Pope, who died a few days later, humiliated from the offense. Philip, The Fair, then decides to force the nomination of a submissive Pope, one sympathetic with his greed and political projects, which were impossible under the tutelage of the current Pope. This historical event marc the rupture of the West with his own tradition, and the beginning of laicization.

Denial of the sacerdotal superiority (typical of the rebelled Kchatriya[1]) implicates a denial of the Single Principle, or God. But, respecting logic how is it possible to defend such denial? René Guénon’s study "The Demiurge" deals skillfully with this capital question

truebeliever 10-02-2005 07:49 AM

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All I can say is that Democracies ONLY role is to prevent the accumulation of to much power in too few hands.

The trains can be made to run on time some other way perhaps?

Though I often find myself incredibly angry at the sheep I try to keep this quote in mind from John Milton...


"They, who would poke out the peoples eyes, condemn them for their blindeness."
Concerned with the Puritan cause, Milton wrote a series of pamphlets against episcopacy (1642), on divorce (1643), in defense of the liberty of the press (1644), and in support of the regicides (1649). He also served as the secretary for foreign languages in Cromwell's government. After the death of Charles I, Milton published THE TENURE OF KINGS AND MAGISTRATES (1649) supporting the view that the people had the right to depose and punish tyrants.

Could we not continue the great experiment with Liberal Democracy by fighting for grass roots involvement in the decision making processes? Firstly be exposing the "hidden hand" that pits us against each other causing us to react by demanding a return to the rule of Kings?

There simply AR'NT enough benevolent Kings in waiting to take up the mantle.

Except Christ who is due any day now... :-P

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