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madkhao 12-06-2004 12:30 PM

Just interested in knowing what fellow members think about this theory. WARNING very very long s_The_New_World_Order.html
I must say, long before I ever heard of the NWO and when I was a unbeliever about UFOs myself, I saw one with my very own eyes. So I understand skeptism but I haven't thrown this theory into the trash.

sablefish 12-09-2004 02:17 PM

Strange as it seems I read the whole thing.. (that's how bored it I am) It reminds me of David Icke.. From my point of view this, as wild as it sounds, this may be closer to the Big picture than anthing else.. I mean it's so tinfoil hat, it's probably very close to the truth.

The last part of it where the guy says that the greys tell him he is the prophet sounds a little far fetched.. other than that.. very interesting.

marypopinz 12-09-2004 03:07 PM

I seiously question an information from any participant of Aleister Crowley "Magic" or the Goldren Dawn. Them boys are into Lucifer and the "Dawn" is all over that site.

Always keep an open mind...
And be aware

Mary XXX

thokhanCep 12-09-2004 05:08 PM

I've read about NWO and the UFO's or IFO's.
President Ronald Reagen,(watch out for another actor turned President Arnold the Barbarian in08)
Reagen would have UFO's in his speeches and was into/interested/belonged? to the Occult. I do not have the exact quote but it was along the lines of an extraterrestrial threat and humanity fending off the ET invaders... kinda like that Independence Day movie (illuminati propaganda)
It would be the NWO-Satan-Illuminati wild card to be played when their power structure is close to complete collapse.
So far they have defeated the Dictator mass murderer Hitler (which "they" all helped fund) Next enemy was communism (russia and china) and the cold war that controls the population through constant fear of MAD (mutual agreed destruction). Russia lost its "money" to an insane arms race and internal sabotage. NOW the US trades with China like they've been friends for a century. Next enemy please ... in comes Osama and terrorism .. who knows when this will end?? I don't have a clue ... I guess when the Axis of Evil meets its demise.

Germany was a place of pillaging after WW2. USA got its project paperClip .. the Nazi scientist and blueprints for new technology.
On a personal basis I have seen questionable objects in the sky with and without other witnesses. If you know of Nicola Tesla there is nothing, it seems , that is impossible.

Anyways here are some search tools, names places and times to check out for yourself:
google KeyWord search: nazi 3rd reich ufo
aircraft designer Rudolph Schriever

His claims are backed up by a 1975 Luftfahrt International Report that noted that after Shrieverís death in the late 1950s, papers found amongst his belongings revealed incomplete notes for a large flying saucer, a series of sketches of the machine and several newspaper clippings of himself and his alleged flying saucer. Up to his death, Schriever had repeatedly claimed that the UFO sightings since the end of the war were proof that his original ideas had been taken further with successful results.

That these events occurred is also supported by former CIA agent Virgil Armstrong who commented "We know that in the early parts of the war there were certain factions of the Allied forces that did not believe he had a secret weapon and it wasnít until the Americans made much emphasis of this that they began to look at it seriously and indeed did discover that Hitler not only had a secret weapon, he had what we would call today a UFO or spacecraft.


The efforts to maintain silence on the subjects of UFOs, ghosts, astrology, and Armageddon by White House staffers, however, were not always successful. Reagan was a big fan of the occult, so from time to time these items would appear in Reagan speeches. In a February 11, 1988 speech called, Remarks at the Annual Conservative Political Action Conference Dinner Reagan was able to get both ghosts and UFOs in the same speech. In the speech written for Reagan by Pulitzer Prize winning speech writer Tony Dolan Reagan said:

...By the way, something odd happened just before I got here tonight that I think you should know about. I got a message from Dave Keane reminding me that this was the eve of Lincoln's birthday-and suggesting I go upstairs and check on the ghost in Lincoln's bedroom. I did. And what do you know, there was Stan Evans dressed as Abe Lincoln. And he kept saying, "Listen to Jesse Helms.". . . Well, we conservatives have been in Washington now for a while and we occasionally need to remind ourselves what brought us here in the first place: our unshakable, root-deep, all-encompassing skepticism about the capital city's answer to the UFO, that bizarre, ever-tottering but ever-flickering saucer in the sky called "The Prevailing Washington Wisdom.

There were a great number of these UFO, ghost, and Armageddon references written into Reagan speeches. Whether the UFO comments were planned or slips of the tongue by Reagan, the first controversial UFO comment would not be made by Reagan but by a senior member of the National Security Agency, writing on Reaganís behalf.

On September 28, 1981, President Reagan received a letter from Major Ret. Colman VonKeviczky. VonKeviczky was the Director of the International UFO Galactic Spacecraft Research and Analytic Network (ICUFON). This group held that UFOs "represented an intergalactic task force that will destroy earth unless world leaders band together to end their hostile actions against UFOs."

The idea of a war against beings of another world also went back many years before Reagan became President. War hero General Douglas MacArthur spoke of "an ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy." Mayor Achille Lauro of Naples, Italy, quoted MacArthur as telling him, "the earth would have to make a common front against attack by people from other planets."

During the Nixon administration, there was open discussion inside the government about the potential threat from aliens coming to Earth. An article written by Michael Michaud, a career diplomat in the State Department, pointed out the Nixon administrationís worry about extraterrestrials:

Aliens from other solar systems are a potential threat to us, and we are a potential threat to them. Scientists and others have often postulated that extraterrestrial societies more advanced than ours would be less warlike. Regrettably, the stereotypes of the benevolent, super intelligent alien may be as unrealistic as the stereotype of the bug-eyed monster carrying off shapely human females. Even if a species had achieved true peace within its own ranks, it would still be worried about us, and would take the measures it felt were necessary to protect itself. This includes the possibility (not the inevitability) of military action . . . Our basic interest will be to protect ourselves from any possible threat to Earthís security . . . "

sablefish 12-10-2004 01:41 PM

I think this war against "terrorism" is self protection for the war against the elites.. I think 9/11 was an inside job and that al Qaeda is is employed by the NWO. I think all these Patriot Acts that are put in place are to protect politicians, governments, and the corporations that control them against their own citizen/subjects.

I wish the powers that be would have chosen to attack the U.F.Os instead of us...
Any enemy would have been fine to cause more public debt.. Why did it have to be us?

madkhao 12-10-2004 02:50 PM

Phew! I am so glad I finally got some opinions on this topic.

I was thinking...Ohhh great! I had to be the one to bring Sci-Fi BS into this "seriously political conspiracy dicussion"


I pretty much thought the same thing that you did. I mean...the little greys and the big greys? That WAS too much. But it makes me wonder...this story had the movies Alien, Predator, Alien vs Predator, Dreamcatcher and a few others.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

God tells us that Satan is the father of lies.
At best he tells a half truth.
In the garden of Eden he told Eve, " shall not die...your eyes will be opened and ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil"

I know Satan is truly creative when it comes to lies - but could it be a half truth?

I believe that spirits, good and bad, are unseen and able to manifest themselves in us. Then we ourselves start living like angels or demons. Now when one becomes illuminated with the WRONG light, posessing too much knowledge of mostly EVIL, who knows what they are capable of creating or building. A piddly little thing like a ufo when God created the Heavens and the Earth.

ThokhanCep, what did the unquestionable objects that you saw look like? The one I saw looked like this . . . . .
Great picture huh? Five red lights moving across a starry sky when I used to live outside the Toronto area. It was too slow to be a shooting star and it was too fast to be a plane. They were in perfect line with each other and the only words that ever comes to my mind to describe its flight is fast and SMOOTH!

marypopinz 12-10-2004 04:40 PM

Shag Harbour, Nova Scotia is an interesting UFO story. Apparently, a UFO crash landed and another ship came to its aid. Seems there was some jockying for position when it came to intelligence. Canada, America, U.S.S.R..

A very interesting story and there are too many people saying the same story, there must be truth(too many witnesses). I have met newfies who have seen UFO's. The people I have been told these stories by have nothing to gain. They are almost embarassed to admit what happened.

It could make a very interesting Hollywood plot that could be played out to the Sheeple.

Due to theft of alien technology, Arnie the president of the free new world order defending the pseudo onslaught of UFO's which are real and manned by black-ops.

They are trying to prepare the sheeple of Hollywood consumerism for just such an event. Hollywood has been preaching the Arab plane terrorist for how long???

These idiots are getting dumber and dumber themselves. Because they keep getting away with things because they have removed the checks and balances, they feel comfortable in always pushing the boundaries just that little bit farther. They are getting caught. They are scared.

There is life elsewhere. Some have seen the signs. Whether the Hollywood NWO and Arnie will attack or the real deal UFO little grey men is the question that begs asking in this propogated world of propaganda. I say we worry about the here and now and the real threat that is our government. If the aliens come hopefully they will be friendly. If they are hostile, divided as we are, we would not have a hope in hell bar the grace of God.

My bets on the here and now. My bets on the people cluing into the con and exposing it. Think of all the vast amounts of truth that have been revealed, just on this one little site?

Maybe God is the father of a much bigger picture. With humanity as racist as it as, watching genocide after genocide in country after country, going to work to make the donuts... How could God ever introduce us to another world of peoples?

"Hello, these are my human children. Must have been deprived of intelligence in childhood. They don't know how to get along, can't think for themselves and I am offering my apology for the future damage they will surely incur in your beautiful home. There's one rotten relation, Satan, and he has been placing all kinds of foolish notions in my families heads."

"Your children have learned to communicate telepathically? We can't even communicate with words let alone thoughts or emotions..."

"Where did I go wrong as a parent. I thought I taught them right from wrong. It's time to disown satan. He's been nothing but trouble. I've been excusing him forever and it's high time he learnt the hard lesson that he's had coming to him."

"I don't care was made to care and all the people who followed."

"Maybe the next time I come to visit, my children will learn to behave. I keep trying. Sooner or later they will learn and then maybe they can play with your kids? That would be nice, wouldn't it?"

Me and my imagination?

Mary XXX

thokhanCep 12-14-2004 10:51 PM

Hey madkhao
The UFO or IFO's that I witnessed have varied over the years.
1st time I saw one was when I was 10. My friend and I were outside, we ran around the side of his house and stopped, looking in awe at this "other world". It was where the power lines and trees should have been but instead we were looking at this spherical bundle of energy. It stayed in one place and was about the size of a meter stick in diameter. That was the 1st and last time I've seen anything like that!
2nd and 3rd sighting of suspicious air vehicles happened in the same general area.
2nd one would have been when I was a few years older - riding bikes with my friend we had a race down the new street where a subdivision was underconstruction. At the end of the street we both saw a black tri angle hovering at tree level. ( side note could be military - check the Eye witness accounts on that site seem a lot like mine and my friends )
Needless to say we rode our bikes faster away from the thing than our race that got us there.
3rd Would be my friend ( the same that saw the tri angle ) and I on our bikes again , this time on a hill in the same subdivision proabably a few weeks later. While on the hill we heard a slight almost airplane like whine , we looked up to see this ball of light traveling a low altitude. It seemed alive and had a tapered tail on it. It didn't "light up the sky" but it seemed to have fallen to earth 10km's away. Being around 13 at the time I thought i'd see/hear about that event the next day but nothing came about. So that was the end of that.

Now there are a few others that are strange. The one that freaked my Ex-girlfriend out one night was the ultimate for a non believer like her self .. haha ( we are no longer together , but I know she remembers this event like it was yesterday. ) I was the D.D. at a party , we were on the way home from sherkston shore's ( near fort Erie ) I was driving West on high way 3 and I noticed this hovering light with an orangish glow in and around the area of Nickle beach. I mentioned to her that one of my friends is out over the water , and that I was going to call it over to me. She freaked out and I ended up pulling off onto snyder rd. ( a dead end road ) I went roughly 100 meters up the road and did the universal 3 blinks with the high beams( try it for your self its like a light code ...
1 blink 2 blink pause and for as long as your pause hold your high beams on and re-do the process over again ) After the light show was over, maybe 3 times into it , this "ufo" with great speed was right in front of us. My ex-girlfriend lost it screaming like a banshee. I consider my self an excellent driver in the art of rally racing SO I did a reverse 180 and drove as fast as a Ford Escort would let me. It shadowed my car right into "lidsville" on the eastside of Port colborne. Once inside the mini city it broke off its pursuit. The aftermath of this experience was an ear-full from my exgirl-friend , who probably looks at life in the same light as I do.
I guess it comes down to your beliefs. I believe there are UFO's and IFO's , obviously .. I have seen them flying, been chased by them and have changed a person through experiencing them.
What I do question are the people-beings who a driving these advanced air vehicles???

thokhanCep 12-15-2004 04:15 AM

Here's some more ifo's and a website that has library of pic's


A.V. Roe Canada Limited.
(located at Malton near Toronto, Canada)
and the
United States Air Force.
These two build a lot of VTOL discs, most still a secret.

There may well be a "German connection".
Towards the end of WWII, some allied fighter pilots reported that strange luminous globes sometimes followed their aircraft during sorties over Germany. To this day, it is not known exactly what the objects were.

In April of 1950, the Joint Intelligence Council investigated the matter of flying saucers. In a report sent to the Canadian Defence Research Board (DRB) in 1953, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) noted that German engineers had filed patents for flying-saucer-like craft they had supposedly developed towards the end of the war.

A number of former German soldiers claimed of having worked on saucer-like aircraft. In 1959, a book entitled, "German Secret Weapons of the Second World War," claimed the "Foo Fighters" were the product of Hitler's war machine. One individual who believed the Nazis had developed such, devices was aeronautical engineer John C. Frost of A.V. Roe Canada Limited.

Suddenly, on February 20, 1959, all AVRO projects were canceled (not just VTOL discs), Avro Canada was closed. This immediately put over 50,000 people out of work at the plants and outside suppliers. A large number of engineers were immediately recruited to NASA.

Top secret reports recently declassified from the U.S. show they had a real concern that the West might be lagging behind the Soviets in this type of development, especially if the latter had inherited the work of captured German aeronautical specialists.

Born_To_Die 12-15-2004 04:54 AM

Interesting free video on page 2 of this site

... 400 government insiders come out with UFO

knowledge and experience.

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