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Akbar 10-25-2005 01:28 PM

Is religion opium for the people?
 
When I first read this saying by Karl Marx quite frankly I was offended being smoeone who believes in God. As I have matured and opened my mind. I realize that in a certain context that statement is correct. When people connect with religion emotionally and not rationally, then the religion begins to numb both the senses and the mind. Religion is only meant to be a way of life in which man strives towards human excellence. To reach human excellence your mind has to be opened. When I read scriptures (Bible, Quran) I view all of the prophets as concepts personified. They were concepts that were expressed in the person of a human being. All of these concepts were finally materialized in Prophet Muhammed. The proof is that he is the only prophet that we have evidence that he ever lived. There are blood relatives of his in middle east along with his tomb. So for me Adam does not represent the first human being. He represents God's acknowledgement that he does not recognize you as human until you become conscious of your purpose on earth and then begin to work toward that purpose. Adam's purpose was to show reverence for God by building a God concious society on earth. In the Bible you have three figures represented Adam, Eve, and Satan as a snake. All three are symbolic to make up one person. Eve represents human emotions and the snake represent the human mind. So it was the mind that sinned, not the flesh. The mind tells the flesh what to do and the flesh only follow instructions. In the Bible the moral of the story is that if man allows his mind to respond to his emotional makeup then he would fall from grace. As long as the mind stay focus on what God wants (Taqwa), then man can never fall from grace. What is my reference for all of this. The holy Quran. If you are a true believer in God, then you should read the Quran. The Quran describes itself as a book for the believers. The word believers are mentioned more times than Muslims. It will help open up the hidden symbolism in the Bible. When the holy Quran does not mention something that is stated in the Bible, it only means that what is stated in the Bible is symbolic (hidden). So mention of eve and the snake and the garden of eden is not in the holy Quran, so that means that they are symbolic. So back to Adam. So now you see why it is silly to have a war between science and religion. They are both right. God made creation, but the creation had to evolve to the excellence that God wants. In Islam, Adam is a prophet. There is no need for a prophet if their are no people. Sure there were people before Adam. We had the cave man, who only lived like an animal. He was only concerned about food, water, shelter, clothing, sex, and play. All animals live life that way. I know you laugh and say that most human beings are living there life that way. You are correct, but based on the knowledge of revelations they have not reached the Adam state yet. Animals already live their life based on survival. As humans we were given a brain to utilize so we could evolve past our animal state to a higher state. This is what the Egyptian sphinx represents. So when the caveman's mind is opened and he begins to share and work with his neighbors and build society to meet the needs of others, then he becomes Adam. God communicates to him through the natural environment. The knowledge that I'm sharing with you is what is going to free the world from slavery. You study and research what I gave you and then share it with others. This what I just shared with you is peanuts. I still would like to share with you what Jesus represents and some of the other symbolism in the Bible. In the movie, Matrix Neil was told to free his mind. He was given a choice between the blue pill and the red pill. Your response will determine which pill you choose.

peace

Bouncer 10-25-2005 01:53 PM

Re: Is religion opium for the people?
 
One man's rescue rope is another man's noose.

To posit that the "masses" need an opiate is not a strong position from which to critique religion.

As a sidelight, a preacher once said that God saves us in spite of our religion, not because of it.

Akbar 10-26-2005 07:27 AM

Re: Is religion opium for the people?
 
Bouncer,
I did not say that the masses need an opiate or did I mean to criticize religion. The piont is that the way we intepret religion is wrong. It seems that there appear to be more enslaved people than those walking around free. Only the free have been saved by God. My post is only meant to wake up the dead. Those people who are walking around that are not conscious of their humanity.

peace

Bouncer 10-26-2005 10:29 AM

Re: Is religion opium for the people?
 
Akbar (or, al anba' ?) I'm sorry I did not mean you I was referring to K. Marx and his improper foundation for attacking true religion. Socialism is not a substitute for a spiritual life.
As for the sleepers, the Bible says that part of spiritual maturity and vigilance is to be awake and not slumber - how true!

Salaam.

LaDominio 10-27-2005 10:27 AM

Re: Is religion opium for the people?
 
This slumber that the Bible warns us of is...

Distraction.

Bouncer 10-27-2005 10:35 AM

Re: Is religion opium for the people?
 
Oh, I'm sorry, could you repeat that? I was watching Girls Next Door . . .

truebeliever 10-27-2005 07:34 PM

Re: Is religion opium for the people?
 
I have never read the Quaran properly (hell, i hav'nt read the bible properly either!) but what it says sounds pretty good.

I believe that the Quaran is probably divinely inspired. There is certainly something with the number '19', in it...what that means to the individual? I think that it means it is NOT the product of an ego but comes fresh from the unconscious which always leaves a certain 'patterned' imprint. The same with the N.T and the O.T.

I think one of the problems with this tension between the 3 religions is that one is supposed to nullify the other when in fact it is merely to 'add'. To build on. We do not have to throw the baby out with the bath water.

My instincts point me strongly towards Christ and those 4 Gospels. I can do this without having to 'throw out' the Quaran and make that untrue. The stark reality for me at the moment is that Christianity 'resonates' with me far more strongly than Islam. That is simply a practical 'fact'. There is no need to theorize.

Religion is a process of continual unfolding. The revalation of God does not end with the coming or return of Christ...there is more to come.

I believe the New World Order is at it's heart divinely inspired. The Churches of the West inparticular have so failed in their task and become such sycophants to worldy power that God wants a shake up. I think they're listening as I note the Anglican Church inparticular coming out strongly against the policies of the Howard government...as they should.

Also, the churches need to give people the 'tools' to know God. That is astrology and dream work for the average person as they are not capable of prayer. To find out who i am as an individual and what God expects of me in this life. At it's heart, is'nt this what the three desert religions are talking about? As long as their are no tools people will continue to drift to the more occult practices in search of an experience of God in this dry materialistic world.

We must go beyond simply looking up to God like a small and vulnerable child looking for comfort and instead pick up our cross and carry it. All the while asking God if i'm on the right track. How can one do this in a world like this with a million and one distractions and an Elite program to rid the world of subservience to a supernatural God?

With great difficulty.

nohope187 10-27-2005 09:09 PM

Re: Is religion opium for the people?
 
Technically, Christ wasn't strong enough to carry the cross after being flogged. His brother John had to carry it for him. So yeah, it's extremely fucking difficult. :-P

madkhao 10-29-2005 03:59 AM

Re: Is religion opium for the people?
 
The CROSS

Have people been brainwashed into seeing it as a symbol of life and salvation when actually it would be better viewed for what it IS. The image of ROME - the BEAST.

10-29-2005 04:08 AM

Re: Is religion opium for the people?
 
Is atheism black tar heroin for the people?


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