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rushdoony 12-25-2005 08:46 PM

Fake Apollo Landing Sites
If you can see your house and car
shouldn't we be able to see
Apollo Landing Sites also?

Answer Google gives is:
Why can't I see the surface in more detail?

Google Moon only has as much data as NASA was able to give us, so there are limitations (for now) on how close to the surface we can zoom.

See also:

AISB_Watch 12-25-2005 11:24 PM

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Clavius Moon Base - debunking the moon hoax

Fox TV and the Apollo Moon Hoax

The Moon mirror left by astronauts

Lunar Laser Range Finding: The Legacy of Apollo and the Observatorie de la Côte D’Azur

Thirty five years after Neil Armstrong landed on the moon, man still visits Tranquility Base regularly. On many nights lasers fired from the Observatoire de la Côte D’Azur (OCA), and the McDonald Observatory in Texas, bounce back from the reflectors left by the lunar explorers. The precisely timed impulses measure the distance between the earth and the moon with incredible precision. ...

nomad 12-26-2005 07:25 AM

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AWESOME post guys ... anybody else have info

to support the landing or to support the fraud ?

rushdoony 12-26-2005 07:49 AM

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On the feasiblity of landing
a man on the moon and the claim
that it has already been achieved.

PDF - takes a minute to load

rushdoony 12-26-2005 07:52 AM

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Moon Hoax Debate I

nomad 12-26-2005 11:23 AM

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We should invite Bart to our site he sounds like

one of us.
The Apollo Moon Landings Are Science Fiction

The Space Shuttle, so far, has killed fourteen people, merely trying to attain an orbit about two hundred fifty miles above the Earth. How is it then, that a third of a century ago, with less computing power in the entire rocket than in a present day twenty dollar Wal-Mart watch, NASA claims to have gone 100,000% farther, six different times between 1969 and 1972, landing on another celestial body and then returning, without ever killing anyone? How could they have powered air conditioning in two hundred fifty degree heat for three days with batteries? Why is the "second round" of "returning" to the moon estimated to be no earlier than half a century after the first? (Would there be a fifty-year span between the first and second trips across the Atlantic in an airplane?)

If the moon landings were, as we believe, a government deception, then George Orwell's comment, "whoever controls the past, controls the future" is a scary wakeup call to insist that our government reform to the truthfulness of our founding father "who could not tell a lie." Otherwise, the powers that be will continue their addiction to deception and we all will be worse off for it.


David 12-26-2005 03:57 PM

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But...but...there is proof that America went to the moon. I saw it on the TV special about if America went to the moon or not. At the end the show they interviewed this guy and he proved it by pointing out the mirror that America sent a guy to place on the moon so that lasers could be reflected back. I mean it was on TV so it must be true and it's not like some unmanned craft could put a mirror on there - that's not possible - a person in a stay-puffed marshmellow man suite would have to do it.

Ok enough joking around I want to ask some questions about this moon mirror because I don't really know much about it. How does the mirror work and how do people know where to shine the laser at? Can a laser reflect/shine off the ground without a mirror? When I point a laser pointer out my window I can see where it hits meaning that some of the energy is reflected back into my eyes, with a larger laser is the same true for the moon? I know that radio waves can be bounced off the moon, amateur radio operators do it all the time. Radio waves and lasers are not the same but are somewhat similar.

I've looked over many moon-hoax and moon-fact sites and it's hard for me to sort out the real stuff from the BS, what are some red herrings to watch out for?


rushdoony 12-26-2005 04:28 PM

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Q: What about laser reflectors on the moon (allegedly left by Apollo) that scientists bounce light beams off of?

A: The Russians have successfully placed such reflectors on the surface of the moon, yet they have never claimed to have put a man on the moon. The reflectors were dropped there by unmanned probes. It should also be noted that the moon's surface will naturally reflect signals; communications were carried out as early as the 1950s by bouncing signals off of the moon.
Frequently Asked Questions:

Q: How could such a secret be kept from the world with so many people involved? (Didn't NASA have tens of thousands of people working on the Apollo project?)

A: This is the same logical question I asked before I did any research. Yet after having done eight years of investigation, I discovered that, in fact, very few people were involved in the actual faking. NASA, indeed, did have tens of thousands of people working constructing the nuts and bolts of the project. One team worked on the spacecraft hatch, another on the astronaut's boot, yet none of them saw an overview of the entire project, only those at the very top of the bureaucratic pyramid. All of those NASA guys at the computer consoles that you saw prior to the launch were receiving the exact same information as their colleagues sitting beside them, which was fed to all of them by a simulation computer program. If you look at the footage ten seconds prior to launch, they are all kicked back watching television, just like the rest of us. Apollo astronauts from later or previous missions were the ones at the real consoles. We know from the newly discovered behind-the-scenes footage that each crew was on the rocket during the launch. They went up in front of witnesses, splashed down in front of witnesses, yet the evidence recently uncovered proves that they never left Earth orbit. Apollo 11 was supposed to be the greatest event in human history, yet there were only three (government employee) witnesses and, for the first time ever, no independent press coverage of such an historical event.

With Cold War tensions running high, those who knew the truth went along with the deception to fool the Soviets that we had technological superiority.

In 1957 Time Magazine had on its cover "The Smartest Man in America" (the latest winner of the most popular TV trivia game show at that time.) It was later uncovered that the contestant received the answers in advance from the show's producers because he was widely loved by the viewers. In fact, one hundred twenty contestants and staff initially swore on the Bible during a grand jury investigation that the television show was not rigged. Most later recanted, and it is now known they all lied. If all these people were willing to lie for a little money, how much more for alleged national security? The fact is, Time Magazine was wrong. The best way to fool the world was to fool the media.

Q: What about all of the people refuting your accusations point-by-point?

A: Given the pride associated with this alleged accomplishment, it is natural that many people seek to refute our claims. It is not difficult to make up a plausible-sounding argument to refute almost any claim. However, we have yet to see any such argument that does not fail under critical examination.

"The likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity to which others are trying to prove him wrong."
- - Harry Segall

Q: What about the moon rocks?

A: NASA chief scientist James Garvin recently appeared on C-SPAN (4-17-2005.) A viewer called in for the live, audience response, program. He stated that his father worked for the Defense Department and told him that we never went to the moon, that the technology didn't exist back then, and that Apollo was a Hollywood-type production. The caller asked NASA chief scientist Garvin what proof he had that the Apollo moon missions were real. Garvin said the proof is in the statements made by the astronauts, and also in the moon rocks.

While it is possible that the moon rocks were manufactured (NASA has the best ceramics labs on the planet), in reality these rocks are probably just meteorites that were retrieved on Earth. Von Braun, the director of the program, visited Antarctica a few months before the missions to retrieve these meteorites. (By the way, it is a federal crime for a civilian to be in possession of a moon rock, so how can there truly be independent verification?)

Q: Can't you see the artifacts left from the alleged moon missions through a powerful telescope?

A: No. This is folklore. No Earth-based telescope is powerful enough to see manmade materials on the lunar surface. The newly released photos of the moon taken by the Hubble telescope cannot discern any objects on the moon's surface that are smaller than a football field in length.

Japan, however, sent a probe to the moon several years ago that did have this capability. Unfortunately, as soon as it entered lunar orbit all five of its cameras simultaneously malfunctioned. Further disappointment is in the fact that the most recent European lunar probe cannot see the moon's surface in enough detail to answer this persistent question.

Q: Wouldn't the Russians find out and then tell the world?

A: This is another, very logical, yet superficial question. After thinking about it for some time, I believe that one of the major reasons for faking the moon missions was to fool the Soviets about US strategic and space capability during the height of the Cold War (like a bluff in poker.) In addition, the Soviets did not have the capability to track deep spacecraft until late in 1972, immediately after which, the last three Apollo missions were abruptly cancelled.

Even if the Russians did suspect the landings were not authentic, the act of calling us liars of this magnitude at the height of the Cold War could have instigated a war, and perhaps they thought it better not to chance that.

Q: Why hasn't someone come forward?

A: Who would listen, and who would believe them? This illusion is so pridefully ingrained in everyone’s mind that it isn’t even questioned. Furthermore, would you want to be the one to ruin the international reputation of America? (Plus the likely blackmail, bribes, and death threats . . . to family members as well.) In addition, one astronaut coming forward to clear his own conscious is an inadvertent condemnation of all of the other astronauts as well. It is one thing to ruin your own life and reputation, yet what about others who are not willing to do so? All of them have built fame and wealth on their celebrity of having supposedly walked on the moon.

Q: What about laser reflectors on the moon (allegedly left by Apollo) that scientists bounce light beams off of?

A: The Russians have successfully placed such reflectors on the surface of the moon, yet they have never claimed to have put a man on the moon. The reflectors were dropped there by unmanned probes. It should also be noted that the moon's surface will naturally reflect signals; communications were carried out as early as the 1950s by bouncing signals off of the moon.

Q: How could the scientists of the world be fooled?

A: When scientists fail to require independent duplication of such an outlandish claim after over 30 years have passed, science is degraded to the status of being just another religion. They claim to have gone 240,000 miles in 1969. However, since 1972 no one has gone more than 400 miles from the Earth. This is a case of the scientists of the world not doing their jobs and otherwise being caught asleep at the wheel.

The leading scientists today who say that the Van Allen Radiation Belt is not lethal (who were generally in preschool at the time of the first alleged moon landing) do so by the following deduction: "The Apollo astronauts went through the radiation belt on their way to the moon and survived, so it must not be lethal." They are, of course, assuming that the missions were authentic, when, in fact, they were not. The leading scientists are wrong. Has this ever historically happened?

Q: If the evidence you have is so compelling, what hasn't CNN picked it up?

A: In reality, news media organizations are in the entertainment business. They figure that confronting such an emotional issue is not likely to boost their ratings. Since only a small percentage of those in the U.S. believe the landings were not authentic, most news media organizations don't want to risk offending their viewers.

Q: What about Apollo 13?

A: The fact is, none of the Apollo missions ever left earth orbit. After interest petered out following Apollo 12 (the second trip), an element of "jeopardy" was introduced to draw attention back to the alleged drama of the missions.

This makes Apollo 13 the most deplorable of all the missions. The nation held midnight prayer vigils for the astronaut's safe return, all the while they casually coasted around the earth in a completely sound orbiting vehicle.

Q: If A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon is such Earth-shattering evidence, why are you selling it instead of offering it for free?

A: The film is Earth-shattering evidence, indeed. The fact is that investors put up five hundred thousand dollars to produce the film, and they would like to recoup a little of it. This is simply the concept of exchange; when someone does work to provide you with something of value, you compensate them when you receive benefit from that work.

Thirty bucks for a half a million dollar film is not bad, if you ask me.
(The lie cost every citizen $800--the truth... $30.)

Q: What are the running times for each of the DVD's?

A: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon is 47 minutes in length. Astronauts Gone Wild is 53 minutes long. Apollo 11 Post-Flight Press Conference is 1hour, 23 minutes long. Apollo 11 Monkey Business is 1 hour, 48 minutes long.

- Bart Sibrel -

David 12-26-2005 04:42 PM

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Thanks for posting the information, funny thing is that I have that moon movie around here someplace on my computer. I wasn't sure what to make of it, is it a good movie or fabricated information?

I went to goverment schools and have trouble thinking on my own without a guiding hand.

I have the 'Astronauts Gone Wild' video too, that one is kind of funny. The ex-nauts say different things when asked about certain basic things - like they are making it up and are not all on the same page.

Wax him!

I'm going with it's hoax.

Is it me or does most everything seem like some kind of scam or hoax?

Indred 12-26-2005 04:56 PM

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The Bible says that one of the events that signifies the Great Whore of Babylon is that some of her deeds reached even to the heavens. I believe that Modern America is that Babylon spoken of. Not through her people but by the actions of her leaders and the results of these actions. If this is true, a real moon landing may be the event that would reach the heavens spoken of in the Bible and it would be an actual event and not a fake.

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