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Akbar 01-17-2006 02:38 PM

The hidden symbolism in the Bible
The early leaders of Christianity felt that they needed to hide their true belief with some of the pagan beliefs that were popular in Rome at that time. Why? Christians were being fed to lions. They also felt that Christian leaders in the future would bring the truth to light. If they came back to earth today. They would be shocked that the Christian leadership continues to hold on to those teachings, which were only designed to continue until Christianity was no longer perscuted in the land. They would think with all this modern technology, how could Christians continue to have a baby understanding of religion. Most of the light in the Bible is hidden by symbolism. Yes, you have your basics that is easy to understand, but there is also a hidden message in the Bible as well. All of the stories of the prophets are completely symbolic. Those with intelligence know that Noah's ark is symbolic. Actually, a symbolic understanding of the Bible would join both Science and religion together with no more fighting between the two. Creation points to the fact that there is a great intelligence behind creation and religion calls that great intelligence God. When you begin to discover the great beauty behind the symbolism in the Bible, it would make your faith much more stronger and evolve you closer to the Christ within.

Ozzy_dopster 01-17-2006 02:51 PM

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In Discovery magazine there is a small article about the early churches in Rome. It seems that the crucifix was not the original icon for belief in Christ. The early Christians were underground, called themselves the People of the Way, and used the fish symbol (IXTHUS). It wasn't until 313 A.D. that the cross became popular under the rule of Constantine.

I agree that Noah's ark is a powerful icon and is rich in symbolism. For archeological proof of the flood and suvivors, see Jonathan Gray at:

This site is his marketing tool, so you will have to search for articles by keying to his name on the web. The book, however, is well worth the cost for those who are looking for scientific bases of Bible stories.

One danger of what you address, Akbar, is that those who do not have a root undrstanding of what Chiristianity is are vulnerable to theological erosion and outright fraud. For example, Jesus never emphasized "becoming a good person" in the sense of the Zen teaching of achieving earthly perfection and Nirvana, etc. Jesus said, "Follow me"; he said that if we take his advise to heart we will know the freedom and strenght of the Truth. It is about relationship with God and with each other, pure and simple.

01-17-2006 06:57 PM

Re: The hidden symbolism in the Bible
Let me get this right. Jesus is not the Son of God, but instead just a well meaning profit. A forerunner of Muhammad. The Bible is not the factual and understandable Word of God just a symbolic work. A work whose interpretation is open to any who claim to be able, in their wisdom, to interpret it for the rest of us. In other words the Bible is just a prelude to the absolute word in the Koran.

Akbar 01-18-2006 07:34 AM

Re: The hidden symbolism in the Bible
Jesus is the "sun of God" who came to teach the people how to worship God as an individual person. To follow Jesus is to incorporate his teachings in your life. That is what it means by eating the bread. The wine is the spirit you need in your life to make the teachings of Jesus a reality. What I find amazing about Christians is that you do not study the history of your religion. If you did then you would easily be able to identify with the belief of Muslims because their were Christians with the same belief. They lost the war with those who favored the trinity concept. Study the Council of Nicea in Rome in the 1400's. Muhammed is the return of Christ. This time he came back to teach the individual how to live in the community of people with different races, religions, countries. It was also the final attempt to get the Jews to follow God. Most of the holy Quran talks about Moses. His name is mentioned more than any other prophet. Also, Jerusalem was intially the most important city in Islam at that time before the change to Mecca. Now it is the third most important city in Islam. Yes, most of the truth in the Bible is hidden and has been either lost or not shared by the Christian leaders. So God had to bring the pure word back to the common man. what I'm telling you, you can research for yourself. Prior to the coming of Islam, Christian leaders were withholding the word of God for themselves and other select individuals. When they did give it to the comon man they told him to see it literally, which lead to the dark ages. Now the oppostie is true. The West has seperated itself from the control of religious authority. While the Muslim world is in the dark ages. The Muslim world is in the dark ages because it denies science due it's hate of the West. They associate Science with the West and do not see how the holy Quran came to resurrect the Sciences. They do not follow their own logic.

Bouncer 01-18-2006 01:07 PM

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Jesus (Yeshua) is the Jewish Messiah. He was the gate throught which Israel was to enter the new and everlasting covenant that Jehovah prepared for them, and by extension, the rest of the world.

I don't really expect a worshipper of Allah to be very concerned with the Christhood of Jesus.

"Jehovah is the true god, and Jesus is His Messiah" = That is the basis of modern Christianity.

Khopesh 01-18-2006 11:47 PM

Re: The hidden symbolism in the Bible
I wonder sometimes "what if" Aliens put us here thousands or millions of years ago, and they are the God/Gods that the books referre to?

I wonder what they would think of all this religion stuff?

Ozziecynic 01-19-2006 02:41 AM

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Jesus (Yeshua) is the Jewish Messiah. He was the gate throught which Israel was to enter the new and everlasting covenant that Jehovah prepared for them, and by extension, the rest of the world.
:-) No christian could explain it any better than this! Good one Bouncer! :-)

Yeoshua 01-19-2006 06:57 AM

Re: The hidden symbolism in the Bible
So, we are talking about Joshua Ben Joseph, the priestly messiah?

No one has mentioned the kingly Davidic messiah. Whomever that was.

Of course there is Pagan symbology in the bible there had to be for the masses to accept this radical new religon of Christianity.

There's paganism in the names of the days of the week for crying out loud.....

Nazariah - Nazarene - Swim with the little fish.

Akbar 01-19-2006 11:47 AM

Re: The hidden symbolism in the Bible
I am concerned about Jesus Christ because he is my prophet. Yes, he came as a messiah to the Jews, but they rejected him. It seems that Christians have a hard time trying to understand what is a God and what is a prophet. The post was only to give you a reference. So you can learn about your own religion using your on brain, not today's leaders who only want to continue to spiritually enslave you.

Akbar 01-19-2006 11:54 AM

Re: The hidden symbolism in the Bible
A God is independent of his creation. He does not depend on it for meeting any needs, because he does not need anything. Based on this logic, God does not need a material form and a material form cannot contain him. So this logic eradicates the Alien concept. God does not need a spaceship, material form, space, etc. He is before Alpha and after Omega. This come from the Bible. So this also eradicates Jesus as God or having divinity, since he was born and died in the Bible. Regardless if you say he was ressurrected, the Bible states that God never dies.

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