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SeC 03-03-2006 03:57 PM

Impeach Bush!!!
Impeach Bush!!! Remove The Criminal U.S. Government

SeC 03-03-2006 03:59 PM

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When the Whole White House is Criminal, How Do You Impeach an Entire Administration?

by James Charles
February 27, 2006

The list of criminal acts is long, depressing as it is frightening. Equally depressing is the silence of the Democrats, the media and ordinary citizens. Is American democracy dead? In the current issue of The National Review, William F. Buckley calls for the Bush administration to admit that it made a hideous mistake by invading Iraq, writing that “the administration has, now, to cope with failure and the acknowledgment of defeat” of its entire policy from launching the war to believing it could unite and pacify religious enemies whose mutual hatred goes back a millennia, to installing a government that superficially resembles a democracy.

On one hand, when the dean of modern conservative politics says Iraq was a mistake, even the most ideologically driven neo-con must pay attention. On the other, the “failure” and “defeat” he writes about is not simply another “Oops, we goofed!” mea culpa that White House apologists can spin on the Sunday morning interview shows.

While cloaking his condemnation in polite Ivy League-ese terms like “postulates” and “mitigation of policies,” Mr. Buckley overlooks one simple fact: No matter how noble a policy of spreading freedom may look on paper, the White House has been criminal in carrying it out.

The dilemma for America is: When the whole executive branch is criminal, how do you impeach an entire administration?

* President Bush knowingly lied to Congress when he certified in writing an immediate threat to the security of the United States mandated the need to use armed force to overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein.

As has been well documented over the past three years, the administration knew before Bush’s 2003 State of the Union message that there were serious doubts in the intelligence establishment -- the CIA, DIA, State Dept. and Dept. of Energy -- that Saddam had either chemical weapons or a program to build atomic weapons.

Lying to Congress is a federal offence, — a felony punishable with prison; on its face, it is also — a “high crime and misdemeanor” -- an impeachable offence.

* The President knowingly violated — both the Constitution and the law by authorizing warrantless wiretapping, eavesdropping and spying on Americans.
— Likewise, in claiming the power to arrest and hold citizens without charge he has violated the Constitution and his oath of office to uphold that very document. — He committed a felony and an impeachable offence.

* Vice President Dick Cheney, armed with an Executive Order he got Bush to sign allowing him to unilaterally declassify information, — decided to declassify Valerie Plame’s role in the CIA. He then set about outing her when her husband returned from Niger and wrote a report stating that there was no evidence Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake, a necessary ingredient to make a nuclear weapon.

Jason Leopold, who has been covering Plamegate from the start, reported on Feb. 24, 2006, that the White House had just “found” 250 allegedly missing e-mails about Plame and that the Vice President is implicated directly. The e-mails purportedly show — Cheney lied to FBI agents about his role in the scandal, — itself a federal offence punishable by imprisonment. It also meets the “high crime and misdemeanor” impeachment test.

* Even after being warned by the Navy’s general counsel - its top lawyer -- that interrogation techniques being used by Americans at Guantanamo were illegal, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld issued an order authorizing what amounts to physical and psychological torture.

He has repeatedly denied the Red Cross private access to prisoners — despite a treaty which guarantees the agency such access, a treaty which was first written by the United States. Likewise, the FBI warned the Defense Dept. that the interrogation of prisoners it witnessed — was violating US law against torture, a warning Rumsfeld ignored.

Now, along with the Red Cross, groups including the United Nations, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have condemned the US for violating basic human rights, partly because it keeps secret the names of prisoners being held and partly for abusing the prisoners in custody. — Put Mr. Rumsfeld in the dock next to Bush and Cheney.

* While White House counsel, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, with help from ideologue sycophants like former Justice Dept. lawyer and now law professor John Yoo, created a convoluted rationale to support the illegal actions of the Executive Branch. Apparently, Mr. Gonzales never studied the laws written largely by the United States for the Nuremberg trials that judged Nazi war criminals. That code of justice punished jurists who formulated and interpreted laws created to justify criminal acts. There is a special place in court for people like Mr. Gonzales who manipulate the law to countenance criminality.

The list of criminals is seemingly endless.

Colin Powell, a man of otherwise impeccable integrity who devoted his life to the service of his country, knowingly allowed himself to be made the administration’s Knight Errant by trying to convince the world that war was necessary.

Lawrence Wilkerson, who wrote Powell’s UN speech and had access to all the intelligence -- not just bits the administration wanted people to hear -- admitted on the PBS public affairs program Now on Feb. 3, 2006: “I participated in a hoax on the American people, the international community and the United Nations Security Council.”

Former CIA director George Tenet knowingly gave the White House select bits of intelligence he knew it wanted as justification for invading Iraq. While National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice knew -- or “should have known,” as lawyers say -- that the pre-war intelligence was being cooked to prop up a shaky case for war and neither objected nor resigned.

Don’t forget the Joint Chiefs of Staff who, in 2003, went along with dubious war plans, also without objection or resignation. Or the field generals and senior officers who oversaw not just prison camp torture but waged an indiscriminate war on Iraqi civilians, — particularly in Fallujah where white phosphorus shells rained down — on innocent men, women and children cowering in their hovels. The website Baghdad Burning, written by a woman living in Iraq, also writes about how US troops break into homes in the middle of the night for no reason while ignoring what she calls “the vicious civil war” being fought on the country’s streets every day.

At home, FBI Director Robert Mueller violates his oath of office by allowing agents to illegally spy on citizens — only exercising their constitutional right of protest. Michael Chertoff, who is so incompetent running Homeland Security his behavior borders on criminal, is quietly spending $387 million with a Halliburton subsidiary — to Construct Detention Camps at Secret Locations across America to house up to several hundred thousand people for the undefined “rapid development of new programs.” — And don’t forget Karl Rove, who orchestrated the theft not just one — but two Presidential Elections, new evidence dribbling out now reveals.

The list is long, as depressing as it is frightening.

Yet equally depressing is the silence of Democrats, the news media and ordinary citizens. The Democrats look cowed, the news media is a placid mouthpiece accepting administration talking points, and ordinary citizens are afraid. “Please don’t send me your investigative reporting or political columns by e-mail,” a long-time friend wrote to me by snail mail a few months ago. “I’m afraid it will trigger NSA computers and make me a target.”

It took the funeral of Coretta Scott King for even a few people of conscience to “speak truth to the powerful” in the tradition of black churches, saying to Pres. Bush’s face the unpleasant realities that many are thinking.

Democracy in America may not be dead but it is in critical condition.

People who lived through Watergate remember how Richard Nixon tried stealing the Constitution and the crisis he provoked as a result. — Yet today, there is a far stealthier, more powerful and — darkly insidious effort afoot to undermine and even destroy more than — 230 years of American democratic ideals, liberal political thought, and tradition of dissent and debate.

When the huge task of writing the Constitution was finally completed, Benjamin Franklin emerged from the building in Philadelphia where the convention was held to be confronted by a woman waiting word.

“What did you give us, Mr. Franklin?” she asked. Franklin laid his hand on her shoulder and replied, “A democracy, madam, if you can keep it.”

The question today remains, as it was in Franklin’s time, can America keep its democracy?

James Charles is an independent investigative journalist and writer, an American who lives in Toronto.

Other Articles by James Charles at:
* An Amoral Morality Play
* Thugs Attack Federal Judges!
* Washington's Darkest Secret
* The White House Plays Extreme Dodge Ball
* Public Transit is a Moveable Feast
* Ready for Pentagon TV?
* Is Anything an “Experience” When Everything Is?
* Everyone Take Another Step To The Right
* It Was Fun Being a Baby Boomer -- Until We Realized How Old We’re Getting
* Encountering Hunter Thompson

redrat11 03-04-2006 08:18 AM

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The Coming Round-Up of Dissenters,Patriots,Freedom lovers,ect..AMERICANS TO BE LOCKED AWAY "INDEFINATELY" FOR BEING REBELLIOUS TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER! :-o :-o :-o



redrat11 03-04-2006 09:31 AM

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A Few months left before THE CRIMINALS begin the "ROUND-UP"!

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Posted by: Germanicus on Feb 23, 2006 2:22 AM [Report this comment]

The Long War... Martial law... Detention without trial... Suppression of dissent... This piece does a nice job of bringing together a number of seemingly unrelated elements and building a bigger, more frightening picture.

I have been saying here and in my private communications that one of the most disturbing aspects of the current regime is that they act as if they will never be held to account, that there will never be a day of reckoning for all their misdeeds. As if the revolution upon which they have embarked will never be undone. Talk of impeachment or a change in control of either or both houses of Congrees does not seem to worry them. They just press ahead with their agenda apparently unconcerned with the political consequences. So much so that one has to wonder whether their plans preclude political consequences.

Does not this feel like a coup d'etat?

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Impeach the megalomaniacs
Posted by: waves999 on Feb 23, 2006 2:34 AM [Report this comment]

Holy Shit!! This is SCARY stuff! Just how far are are Americans going to let these EVIL cowboys go?!... before you all are living in a military dictatorship where ANYONE - foreigner or citizen - can be locked for good up on a whim? Impeach the megalomaniacs before it is too late!!!!!

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Let's take stock...
Posted by: adp3d on Feb 23, 2006 3:21 AM [Report this comment]

...this government can't control an area the size of California with a fraction of the population with 150,000 troops. What makes them think they can put down any type of armed insurrection in this country. What makes them think that American soldiers will co-operate? True, there would be those bone-headed citizens that would co-operate and collabrate, but I can see that day that the "G" tries to dismantle the National Rifle Association. It is not the liberals with the gun control laws that will take your guns my friends, it will be Blackwater. Bush and his gang are paranoid weenies who need to be arrested and tried as criminals and thugs.

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Oh Boy, Camp!
Posted by: ehh1443 on Feb 23, 2006 4:30 AM [Report this comment]

I hope they build them someplace warm, I don't like the cold. As to the feasibility of rounding us up and making it work... Don't underestimate the power of mass hysteria, produced and directed by PSYOPS. Like for instance, how upset are your neighbors about turning over the ports to the UAE?

The Arabs are coming, the Arabs are coming!

The apocalyptic feel to all of this is genuine in the sense that there is a cataclysmic event on the horizon. It will affect every aspect of our lives and it has the power to remove about 4 billion people from the planet. That event is Peak Oil. If you haven't looked into that yet you might want to spend some time reading about it.

Buy some gold. Learn how to make a fire without accelerants. Learn how to grow stuff to eat, how to get by without refrigeration or electricity. Learn how to purify water. Learn how to survive.

You can look at the world through the lens given to us by the Bush Administration and you will see radical Islam, or you can take the glasses off and look at the world with your own eyes. Listen with your own ears. What you'll see and hear is oil, oil, oil. The world is one massive oil fire as nation after nation postures to protect their hydrocarbon resources, or take someone elses. You can see it out your window as you glide down the road at 70mph.

These camps are meant to hold more than just us Muslims. These camps are for the hoards of urbanites who will begin to panic and run amok when the lights start going out, when the trucks stop bringing food to stores.

The population of the world is sustained by oil, and all that oil becomes. Without oil, the population is unsustainable. In short, many of us will die.

But it won't happen all of a sudden, it will be a slow spiral into chaos. The spiral has already started. Study this issue, study the signs.

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Camps are for the bankrupt
Posted by: Jasonix on Feb 23, 2006 5:33 AM [Report this comment]

I think that some of the camps, at least, are going to be for bankrupt people. I've read that 75% of American households are on the brink financially, overloaded with debt that they can't hope to repay. There is going to be a tipping point where mass numbers of people get their credit shut off and their houses repossessed. What to do with the growing waves of homeless? Work camp, of course - not only do we provide housing for the dispossessed, but we punish the deadbeats for living such prolifigate lives on their measly $40K annual salary for a family of four. (Who do these people think they are, acting like they deserve things like medical care and safe housing?) America is a society of winners and losers. In the past, it used to be that losers were simply discarded. Now, losers are increasingly subject to overt predation and punishment. It's a crime to lose.

I hope I'm wrong, but my prediction is that at least 80 percent of the detention space is going to be used to imprison people who lost the economic game.

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There are over 600 prison camps in the U.S. already just waiting for us!
Posted by: waves999 on Feb 23, 2006 6:21 AM [Report this comment]

There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

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Strict Father Morality, aka the Machievellian model persecutes the innocent while
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 23, 2006 6:31 AM [Report this comment]

giving power to the notorious. Hence, UAE is given the right to control our ports while ordinary and innocent Muslims who have nothing to do with terrorism get persecuted. Welcome to NAZI America.

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what are you sooo worried about?
Posted by: saywhat? on Feb 23, 2006 6:46 AM [Report this comment]

think positive, afterall one advantage of being a wage slave debtor in the new state of the art USA made detention camps, is that when you are eating your gruel in the morning, you'll be able to watch squeaky clean, state run TV where "everything is good in the commune."

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Posted by: markusmark on Feb 23, 2006 7:30 AM [Report this comment]

Another commenter said it right - "Holy shit!"
This article scares the crap out of me. It sound like bushit & co have plans to set up slave labor camps similar to those established during WWII by the nazis but with neocon reprogramming. I am anti-gun for personal reasons but I may say a prayer or two tonight for the NRA!!!
When are we, the American public, going to wake up and smell what the neocons have created?

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Posted by: Colin on Feb 23, 2006 7:49 AM [Report this comment]

You know, I'm not ashamed to admit there was a little bit of me that was actually a little excited when Bush first came into power. It was the same kind of fasination you get when you drive past a massive car crash and you strain your neck to see the carnage.

I've lived through shite politicians before - Maggie 'Knobhead' Thatcher, being the prime example but you recognised at the time that Bush was something different, even to her. And, as I said, there was a part of me that wondered what it would be like to have a born and bred twat in charge of the 'most powerful country on earth' (TM). I mean - what harm could he actually do? People would still be people wouldn't they?

Well, apparently not. I'll tell you what it does show, though. It really emphasises how precarious the balance between 'good' and 'bad' *can* be and just how important an accountable leader actually is.

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Concentration Camps
Posted by: Tarna on Feb 23, 2006 8:40 AM [Report this comment]

Let call this for what it is "Concentration camps". We have put people in camps through out history in the name of someone ideology. You would think we could learn from our mistakes of the past but it seems we are destined to do them again. Does anyone remember the chinesse american camps that happened? Funny, how our history is rewritten to accommodate our governments regime. Forgot things are usually things that are covered up by pretending they never happened. I find it frightening that we would even consider doing this again. Does anyone remember Hitler these days? Bush government has striking similarties to the nazis regime.
I hope that people start to come to their senses soon and impeach this current government.

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The Solution
Posted by: mbarndollar on Feb 23, 2006 9:35 AM [Report this comment]

I'm not sure what everyone is worried about? If you register and vote Republican, give generously to the Republican Party (this may be the most important), join and attend a church (preferably evangelical) and espouse "family values" at all the right moments (like when the NSA is listening) you will have nothing to fear and you will no longer show up on a terrorist list. Again, what's the problem??

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Martial Law
Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Feb 23, 2006 9:43 AM [Report this comment]

These people do not intend to leave office EVER! They will declare martial law just before the 2008 elections in order to stay in office. We need a new revolution NOW!

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Concentration Camps
Posted by: RudiTuzla on Feb 23, 2006 10:28 AM [Report this comment]

Let's just call them what they are. We are already running concentration camps all over the world, what're a few more in the interests of "security?"

You know the government wouldn't lock anyone up without good reason. Surely you'll feel safer knowing these dangerous miscreants are behind bars indefinately without the danger of meddlesome rules that might require proof of a crime.

We have been attacked, therefore anything goes. In fact, a list of all posters to this thread has been forwarded to the proper authorities. Expect loud pounding on your door at about 3 am. Have a small bag packed and ready.

It will be much better for everyone if you respond immediately to all commands, don't speak unless spoken to, board the truck or bus quickly and move to the furthest available seat to await further instructions.

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Posted by: bodo on Feb 23, 2006 10:37 AM [Report this comment]

I wonder what this means for us living in Canada...I don't feel safe here anymore. Our abundance of resources and our lack of low numbers make us way too easy a target.. Sleeping in the same bunk as the new most powerful totalitarian regime in the history of the world...i think i'm gonna barf. To those of you on the forum cracking witty humourous remarks, you probably won't be laughing too much longer.

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Why would anyone be suprised by this?
Posted by: Lizmv on Feb 23, 2006 10:59 AM [Report this comment]

Of course they are preparing to intern anyone who goes against federal policy. Peak Oil, severe climate change and the collapse of our economy ARE HERE and NOW! How else are the US elite to keep control of the peasants? How else are they to feel secure and maintain their royal status?

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The Harder they'll Fall!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 23, 2006 11:12 AM [Report this comment]

Who are:
The Bushavics
Concentration Camps for?
Anyone else!
Who confronts them.
Whoever else:
Wants to get rid of!

The harder they come
The harder they’ll fall
One and all.

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The Harder they'll Fall!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 23, 2006 11:12 AM [Report this comment]

Who are:
The Bushavics
Concentration Camps for?
Anyone else!
Who confronts them.
Whoever else:
Wants to get rid of!

The harder they come
The harder they’ll fall
One and all.

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» RE: The Harder they'll Fall! Posted by: krose

Perhaps, if you haven't read it yet
Posted by: Lizmv on Feb 23, 2006 11:15 AM [Report this comment]

The Handmaiden's Tale by Maragret Atwood.

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» RE: Perhaps, if you haven't read it yet Posted by: dlf

That's why they initiated the 9/11 attacks
Posted by: DanielT28 on Feb 23, 2006 11:25 AM [Report this comment]

If the voting machines companies, and the Republicans certifying them, take over our elections, which they already have to a great degree... they will just fix the next election... If there is a chance that they will not win the election... watch out!... there will be another terrorist attack...
It will be too late for the frogs to jump from the water that's taken over 20 years (at least) to boil...

Effective revolutions, in modern conditions, are carried out with, and not against, the power of the State: the correct order of events is first to secure access to that power and then begin their revolution. They will never abandoned the cloak of legality (push it, yes, but never abondon it); there is an enormous psychological value of having the law on their side.

Niccolo Machiavelli explained, in his Discourses on Livy, that one "must at least retain the semblance of the old forms; so that it may seem to the people that there has been no change in the institutions, even though in fact they are entirely different from the old ones."

Look at the success of the propaganda that's been stuffed down people's throats... still, roughly half of people polled support Bush!!... it even seems that the greater majority of people who are against Bush still don't know what they are actually doing...

I've been paying more attention to public figures on the "left," and it seems like certain ones, that appear to be honest/good people, are steering clear of greater issues or more important points... as if they are allowing for great and lively debate, but are really keeping people within an exceptable range of debate and information dissemination... One such figure is Amy Goodman, she has done some amazing reporting, but I've noticed that she steers clear of certain ideas, literally changing the subject when it gets too close to the more important events... even making statements that are completely untrue, the kind that would make informed people yell, "what the F*** are you talking about?!?!"... or "what about... (insert more relevent fact)???"

Anyway... Hitler burned down the Reichstag, Bush (or should I say Cheney) destroyed the Twin Towers, WT7, and hit the Pentagon...

Under proper media conditions, what public servent could get away with saying that he/she would not oppose dictatorship in the US as long as he/she was the dictator? twice?... Then throw in the financial and political ties to the former Nazi regime, the Bin Laden and Saudi Royal Family... then all of the laws/executive orders passed since... the filling of agencies with political appointees, rather than carreer experts (who are often silenced by these appointees)... the takeover of the election systems (well, they've been controlled since the beginning, so I guess they are just updating their methods with better technology)... the appointment of known criminals to head domestic spy / propaganda / counterintelligence agencies... the medias refusal to even acknowledge the existence, let alone legitimacy, of anything of real significance...

It's just a repeat of what the arristocrats have been doing for centuries... it's even the same families... GWB is related to most former presidents (I believe all but 2, but I'm not sure of the exact number)... he's even related to the deceased Princes Diana... not to mention Churchill... even to people like us (if it's appropriate to say "people like us"), don't have a full understanding of American/world History... History is just an explanation of events by those in power...

I guess I could go on for a long time... into federally controlled public schools training people to be obedient, orderly, "fact" memorizers to work in factories/offices, according to their "proper" place in society...

Anyway... see you all in the concentration camps! (well, those of you who they deem a threat!)

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Fifth Columnists?
Posted by: bogtrotters on Feb 23, 2006 12:12 PM [Report this comment]

Shut up, Senator Graham. If y'all have forgotten, it was the Palmetto State that started the Civil War.

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But we're just paranoid alarmists...
Posted by: jmonday on Feb 23, 2006 12:32 PM [Report this comment]

Everytime Bush pushes for and gets one more infringement on our privacy or 4th amendment rights and we object, we are told things like, "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you needn't worry" or "we are at war and this is necessary to protect us" or "this will only be used against the terrorists" or "There will be oversight". But these things add up. The govt. has collected huge databases on us, tapped our phones, read our library records, searched god knows how many homes and computers. Bush has shown he has no respect for our constitutional rights, in fact he often appears contemptueous of them and irritated by their hinderance of what he apparently feels is his absolute power. There are reports of him considering martial law as an acceptable response for many different situations, the latest example is martial law being a component of his plan for a bird flu epidemic. He has a reported willingness, some say an eagernesss to call out the military on his own citizens

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Civil War in the US
Posted by: gary_7vn on Feb 23, 2006 1:01 PM [Report this comment]

I assume that when the day comes, (another fake terrorist attack or a war in Iran) and Bush does declare martial law (he will, that is clearly the plan) about half of America will say yes sir! The other half will fight. Given the way the Repubs talk about "liberals" (the same way they used to talk about the Russkies) I think that civil war in your country may be only a few years away. Maybe the new bunker buster bombs are not just for Iran but will be useful at "taking out" Liberal resistance elements hiding out in the ruins of the New York subway system. You guys have to do something and you have to do it now, tomorrow is too late. Remember they have to get you in those camps first. Fight! Fight! or it's Gitmo for you liberals.

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The future?
Posted by: Maryanne on Feb 23, 2006 1:06 PM [Report this comment]

Recently in a suburban neighborhood near us, the local government replaced street lights with solar power panels. The UPROAR! The new lights are UGLY! How can this be allowed? Who in his right mind made this decision? Then, because it has been cloudy this winter, there were nights when enough power had not been stored, so there were no street lights on certain days. MORE UPROAR! How dangerous! How can they expect people to walk out in the evening when it is not properly lit and therefore UNSAFE? (Needless to say this community is very low on any kind of crime, and even less in residential neighborhoods.) However since homes are lit, that light spills into the streets and provides some light, so the neighborhoods are not in total darkness.

What was the result? The town board has caved in and agreed to replace the solar panels with regular street lights. The lights that are being considered are not the pretty ones they had before but standard lights. They are not installed yet, but already loud protests are already being voiced. After all, this is a nice neighborhood to be defaced by ugly street lights!

It isn't just the Bush administration that is living in a bubble. When one's main concern is the attractiveness of street lights, this is very sad- and ultimately so unwise.

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» RE: The future? Posted by: EY

Manzanar War Relocation Center
Posted by: ScottP on Feb 23, 2006 1:57 PM [Report this comment]

There are previous precedents for what they're planning. One is in California where Japanese people were interned during WWII, without any trials or compensation. Take a look at:
Manzanar - America's Concentration Camp
Manzanar National Park -- there are plenty more links, too

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camps "for muslim immigrants"
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Feb 23, 2006 2:00 PM [Report this comment]

I really doubt that. 9/11 was an inside job, and BushCo knows it. So why bother with a few dark-skinned, harmless foreigners? Those camps are for the kind of folks who run forums like yours -- dissidents, in other words.

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» RE: camps all fraidies who point to the left Posted by: skizex

It's too late now
Posted by: owleyes on Feb 23, 2006 3:29 PM [Report this comment]

My dear friends, we seem to be at the end of our rope. It's good news, in a way. Hope breeds anxiety, but there is a certain peaceful clarity in understanding that it's all over. I never thought I would want to buy a gun. Now I understand that I must. It's okay, though. Today is a beautiful, sunny day. Winter seems to be winding down in my part of the country. My husband and I have dance class tonight. Later we'll have a drink with our friend. I wish you all could come; we'd have a round together, order some nachos, breathe in that fetid saloon air and laugh our asses off. Let's not be bitter. Maybe something will come and save us. Maybe there will be elections in 2008 after all, but let's not hope. Rather, we should relish our freedom and savor the moments we have.

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» RE: It's too late now Posted by: krose

Re: frightening
Posted by: willymack on Feb 23, 2006 5:55 PM [Report this comment]

"Dentention" camps for Muslim Immigrants? How about anyone with the temerity to stage mass demonstrations a la Vietnam? I think that's what the REAL thrust is. We need to fire these bums-the sooner, the better.

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» RE: e: frightening Posted by: krose

» RE: e: frightening Posted by: owleyes

The Tyrant shows his face
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 24, 2006 6:31 AM [Report this comment]

This is exactly what the People Over Tyrants Party is fighting against. The very idea that the Military could spy and police the citizenry is against everything America should be standing for. No, these acts are of a desperite governance grasping at any straw that may keep their greed machine running for one more day.It is our birthright to guestion and remove ANY authority figure that's operating to the detriment of the Nation. I charge this Governance with being incompitent
and in violation of the Constitution in it's entirity,and specifically failure to 'Insure Domestic Tranquility' or 'Promote
the General Welfare'. These acts by president and his supporters require their immeadiate removal from office and arrest for High Crimes Against Humanity and the American People.
We are People of Freedom. Liberty is our way of Life. W & Co. are the enemy of this way of life. We are held hostage by the delusions of Madmen. This Govt is responsible for the creation of the enemies we face and coconspiritor in their actions. This idiocy must be stopped.The threat to the American way of life is from the Whitehouse not the mosque.

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The Beginning of the Third World War
Posted by: Freedom84 on Feb 24, 2006 12:17 PM [Report this comment]

Ladies and gentelmen isn't it eerie, how the situation in our country mirrors that of Nazi Germany,, its not just eerie or coincidental; it has all become fact. Ever since the Bush Administration took power the comparison began, those who saw right through the sham. Were called unpatriotic, traitors, cowards, conspiracy nut jobs. left wing manaics. But ladies and gentleman it looks like all those of us who know the truth are justified. So here's the scenario if you will...
We have these camps which are being made ready, built or whatever; now the next thing is an attack. Well the Bush Regime has about two years to cause another attack to cause an wave of backlash against the Arab people, something akin to the blind stupidity of September 11th but with a bit more punch to it... Hmm we currently have this issues going on with a private company in Dubai, taking control of six ports..
the whole transaction is to play on the irrational fear and hatred that Americans have of the Arab people. So one year left before the election, everything is quite until...what do you know another attack. most likely on the very same ports that are involved int this business transaction. This will then lead to that backlash, all Americans will unite under the banner of "freedom" suddenly Bush suspends the 2008 elections Martial Law is declared, and Arab immigrants, or those oof Arab Descent, will be tossed into these camps akin to the Holocaust. This will cause a major uproar, which will launch us into war with the entrire Middle East. The Winner controls the world supply of oil. This is it this is the agenda. There will be a second Holocaust, only this time it is the Arabs who will suffer and the sad thing is that no one will give a damn. People we need to begin to understand history, I always thought that Holocaust Memorials and remembering World War 2 was meant as a tool for the same mistakes to be prevented but we are heading down the very same road. And the only way to preven tthis disaster is by putting an end to the Nazi Regime the runs our country, an immediate removal and stripping of power and do what was sone to those before them, try them as War Criminals and put them away. We need to stop the madness whether you are Republican , Democrat, Indepndent, Libertarian, it doesn't matter we are fighting the second coming of the Nazi Party, and this time it wherreas once America supposedley stood on the side of right. We are now on the wrong side and we need to put a stop to this. I do not mean via a violent upheaval or revolution, but we stop it with the power of our Constitution, let us reAuthorize our Constitution and bring freedom back.

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Posted by: justgreenleaf on Feb 24, 2006 12:55 PM [Report this comment]

Hmm...Concentration camps?

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Posted by: forfairness on Feb 24, 2006 5:46 PM [Report this comment]

What have you people been smoking? Don't sleep very well at night do you? Ever heard of the calvary? Think "Equity Party."
Good Night!

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Grand Inquisitors. Again
Posted by: pennywise on Feb 24, 2006 5:53 PM [Report this comment]

Mengele, Heydrich and Eichmann must be masturbating in their respective graves. As a country, what have we become?
Kidnap, torture, internment. When Daucha first opened, the first "guests" were Social Democrats, Communists, trade unionists, homosexuals (sound familiar?). But now, Abu Ghraib, Guantanomo and the secret sites in eastern Europe just house Arabs and other muslims. The Bush regime has now graduated to operating bonafide Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka style death camps, all with the full knowledge and support of your local repuglican party [sic]. The idiot moron wants to win the hearts and minds of the muslim world, at the same time he is practicing new methods of torture and extermination. No tyrant in history has ever survived crimes against humanity. The neo-Nazi regime of cheney-bush won't either.

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» RE: Grand Inquisitors. Again Posted by: krose

What's In A Name
Posted by: Riverside on Feb 24, 2006 11:55 PM [Report this comment]

Hand in hand with new detention facilities could evolve an amended definition of terrorism. My bet is that it will be broadened to include normal citizen criticism of and activism against Bush Administration domestic and international policies.

Additionally, we should expect declarations of martial law at the drop of a hat which would enable the powers-that-be to round up and detain any citizen that fails a new party profile.

Is it tyranny time yet? Will there really be a presidential election in 2008?

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the economic, political, and military are one
Posted by: wli on Feb 25, 2006 10:24 PM [Report this comment]

A coordinated attack on all three fronts is essentially what is thought of, and this is quite explicit. Such things are directly discussed in military planning documents.

The first aspect is economic sanctions on political grounds. Those who have shown up on the data mining dissident dragnet will be denied employment, harassed by police, refused housing, and the like. This is state-sanctioned ideological discrimination, vaguely along the lines of McCarthyist sanctions against Communists, but more centrally, the denial of lucrative employment, quality housing, education, institutional positions, and other economic opportunities to "dissidents." Such ideologically discriminatory practices will clearly hurl dissidents into the (literal!) poorhouses en masse.

The second aspect is military power projection in "strongholds" of dissident ideology, i.e. blue urban areas. Not much is really needed beyond putting the feet on the ground. The over-armed stormtroopers will eventually get bored and harass people and put them away, and the odds are that if they're in such an area, they're Democrats or progressives.

Explicit debtors' prisons are relatively unnecessary, but de facto ones are doubtless part of it. Just leave the dispossessed to their own devices and they'll either die or trip over someone's property rights, since there is no longer such a thing as the commons. The Great Famine is a good precedent for how that will proceed.

Political dissidents are the most "high-value targets" of the concentration camps, and they will be disposed of en masse. The critical technique here is to arrange for conditions under which political dissidents may be disposed of under other pretexts.

Such conditions include the impoverishment of regions featuring concentrations of those ideologically aligned toward dissidents. This is already happening; federal tax collections and outlays show a balance of payment funnelling 85 billion USD/yr to red states while robbing blue states of 194 billion USD/yr. These wealth transfer policies will continue and accelerate.

Another condition is the intensification of COINTELPRO -type efforts (which neither began nor ended with what was formally called COINTELPRO). False flag domestic terrorist attacks have the added incentive to the regime that they remove the victims and framed perpetrators in one stroke.

Yet another condition is "disastermandering" or "evacuationmandering." Disasters have the added incentive of providing a measure of plausible deniability, the cover story of incompetence, and the "downgrading" of the attack into a sin of omission. The dispossessed will simply be disposed of, much like Katrina (unless they're corporations, in which case regressive taxes will be levied to bail them out).

In other words, I don't expect a noticeably sudden rounding up of dissidents and mass imprisonment thereof, barring major crises such as Katrina.

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» RE: the economic, political, and military are one Posted by: shazardhi

Thank goodness this is getting attention
Posted by: Monde on Feb 26, 2006 1:11 AM [Report this comment]

Every time I go to a demonstration I become the subject of an awful lot of photography. I check Indymedia to see if it's them. It's not.

At the last World Can't Wait SOTU demonstration in San Francisco I had my picture taken a total of ELEVEN times, up close and personal, by individuals who would not speak to me when I tried to converse with them before and immediately after the photos were taken.

Two weeks ago a blue automobile passed me on a street near where I live and a picture was taken of me from inside the car.

I have a feeling I may be a disappearance about to happen. Is there any website for reporting daily when one has things like this happen to them, so that if the person stops posting for any length of time we will know they have been disappeared? If such a site does not exist, I suggest someone ought to create one.

Four, five years ago I would have thought this to be absolutely insane, proof I was tumbling into paranoid schizophrenia. If only, if only that were all it was.

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» RE: Buy a wig and a new car and a new house and plastic surgery... Posted by: skizex

» RE: Buy a wig and a new car and a new house and plastic surgery... Posted by: skizex

» Some effort to document forced disappearances should be prepared in advance. Posted by: wli

I would say something regarding these new concentration camps, but...
Posted by: Stardust on Feb 26, 2006 11:27 AM [Report this comment]

.. I am worried that I might be put in one.

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» RE:your silence will not save you Posted by: skizex

I Wish
Posted by: ilima on Feb 26, 2006 2:12 PM [Report this comment]

I wish I could just dismiss this story and all the comments as a bunch of nonsense but there has been no dramatic evolutionary change in the nature of the beast, human beings, in the last 60 years or the last 2000. The props may have changed some what but the story repeats itself over and over. I wish you all the best in whatever may unfold.

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Who is ready for "RED DAWN"?
Posted by: justplaindoc on Feb 27, 2006 12:13 PM [Report this comment]

Im really glad Im not alone when it comes to knowing about the camps. I have known about the camps for 15 years now. Back then Everyone just called me Crazy DOC. Now people have woken up. My only problem is that I need to find a group or community that will be prepared for the worst case scenario. Is there anyone that could help me with info? My Golden Retreiver and I are ready to relocate. I have seen the scenario that is potrayed in the movie "RED DAWN" in my mind and dreams ever since I was a kid. And what is so Sad, is that my Mother is going to end up behind the fence because she refuses to see what is happening. It is realy making life hard because I dont want her to end up in the camps but I know she will and There wont be anything I can do about it..........or is there? WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!

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» RE: Got some money for survival gear? NO WHERE IS SAFE Posted by: skizex

» RE: Who is ready for "RED DAWN"? Posted by: wli

Holy Cow, I can't believe I missed this one!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Prophit on Mar 1, 2006 8:43 AM [Report this comment]

Well, what say you all about "Conspiracy Nuts" now who have been talking about all of this all along???? Not so funny anymore huh??

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Immigrants or emigrants?
Posted by: Lani on Mar 1, 2006 7:05 PM [Report this comment]

Maybe they're not for immigrants trying to get into the US but for emigrants trying to leave.

Think about it, how many people really want to immigrate to the US since BushCo began his trashing of rights and freedoms and the growing anger towards the US by much of the rest of the world?

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Posted by: QED on Mar 2, 2006 3:10 AM [Report this comment]

*JOHN PERKINS: "Most of the people in the United States have no idea that we've created this empire...We go back, we economic hit men, to this country and say, 'Look, you owe us a lot of money. You can't repay your debts, so give us a pound of flesh. Sell our oil companies your oil real cheap or vote with us at the next UN vote or send troops in support of ours to some place in the world such as Iraq.' And in that way, we've managed to build a world empire with very few people actually knowing that we've done this...I can make sure that this man makes a great deal of money, he and his family, through contracts, through various quasi-legal means, and...if he doesn't accept this, you know, the same thing is going to happen to him that happened to Jaime Roldos in Ecuador and Omar Torrijos in Panama and Allende in Chile, and we tried to do it to Chavez in Venezuela and are still trying– that we will send in the people to try to overthrow him, as, in fact, we recently did with the President of Ecuador, or if we don't overthrow him, we'll assassinate him. And these people all know...this has happened many, many, many times in the past...”

Perkins' description of "business as usual" in Washington meets Mussolini's definition of FASCISM -- that is, a condition where the interests of politicians merge with the interests of CORPORATIONS... a conspiracy of greed and selfishness that promotes rage and hatred, and stimulates conflict. For example, the admitted goal of the US "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group" (P2OG) is to PROVOKE foreign groups to attack US citizens in order to JUSTIFY invading foreign states, and the same governmental "authorities" have admitted that staging terrorist attacks and blaming it on someone else is an acceptable means to achieve those objectives (reference 'Operation Northwoods'): /us_military_drafted_plans_to_terrorize_us_cities.h tm

Yes, the "neocons" are reading from the Nazi playbook... 9/11 was the Reichstag fire, "Shock & Awe" (shekinah) is "blitzkreig," and "homeland security" is the gestapo of das fatherland. Most human beings are stupid sheep... they cannot see patterns, they don't learn from history, and they just follow orders. By now it should be obvious that Nazi Germany was just a "trial run," but where did the Nazis get these ideas in the first place? For starters, one must examine the connection between the Vril & Thule secret societies, and the "Skull & Bones." However, you can only broadcast the ultimate truth via corporate channels by works of fiction. THEY LIVE. See it. "Get it." You are looking at men who are so desperate to maintain control, they have nothing left to lose at this point.

Think about that speech where Bush condemned the creation of "human-animal hybrids" through genetic engineering. There can't be a master race without a slave race... see? But when did THIS become a political football? How many people knew that it was even possible to create genetically modified human hybrids, and why was it roundly ignored by the corporate news media syndicates when they analyzed everything else to a point where it became painfully tedious?? Why do you think most of those alien abduction tales involve breeding experiments? And knowing that hypocrisy is the "neocons" stock-in-trade, who do you think would be creating genetic monstrosities like this? Ever heard of "nightmare hall"?

On the Trail of the Saucer Spies
Revealed for the first-time from on-the-record interviewees, an analysis of previously-classified official records and testimony provided by insider-sources is the amazing story about how and why Military, Intelligence and Government departments keep a close watch on people that look for, and see UFOs.

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Civil War in the U.S.
Posted by: Inquisitor on Mar 2, 2006 9:40 PM [Report this comment]

It is funny now how some of the people I used to talk to are not laughing about this anymore. I said that there will be another one and all I received is chuckles. I look at what is going on can I can see so many ways that it might start. This is how that I think that it probably will. Illegal immigration will be what does it. I am sure that all of you know what happened in France recently. Well, there are reports coming from some cities, Los Angeles for instance, that the same thing will happen here, only on a far greater scale. Yes, those that arrived here illegally will want more, some want to carve there own country out of the southwest, will not get it, and start all kinds of trouble. Martial law will be declared and our troubles will really start. Some of you, hopefully most, must have wondered why we are going to such great trouble overseas to secure Iraq, South Korea, and, well pick your country, and yet we are doing NOTHING about the borders of this country. It is almost as if the US Government wants us to have these people here. Think about that, let me know.

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» RE: Civil War in the U.S. Posted by: Freedom84

Posted by: Bulldog on Mar 3, 2006 6:06 PM [Report this comment]

I am in the UK. We are actually in the 51st state over here or 'Airstrip One' as described in '1984' by George Orwell.
The American Gulag does seem to be a model the US Secret Government would like to adopt.
I AM ANTI GUN normally because over here it was the school boy scout masters who shot up and killed 16 kids down the road in Dunblane, Scotland in about '97 before the ensuing total gun ban for everyone except farmers was introduced here.
HOWEVER, I have looked into it. The US Citizen's right to bear arms against tyrannical Government (not just for the military or the militias) and the 2nd ammendment was ratified by the US Dept of Justice in 2004.
Here are brief extracts
I would that you could as a God loving nation (large Church congregational turnout) find other means, to resolve this, but it is on the advice of the highest religious figures I have respect for that I repeat - 'we do not act beyond what is written [in law]'. Now read the ratification of YOUR US Citizenship's mandate that allows YOU to defend yourselves by means of arms against YOUR OWN tyrannical Government.
Instead of approving the export of violence & dictatorship to the rest of the 'Free-World' and the killing of our greatest prophets by the bullet (Luther, Lennon etc) will YOU now, risk taking a bullet for Freedom?
See the whole document at

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2nd Ammendment Ratified
Posted by: Bulldog on Mar 3, 2006 6:26 PM [Report this comment]

I am in the UK. We are actually in the 51st state over here or 'Airstrip One' as described in '1984' by George Orwell.
The American Gulag does seem to be a model the US Secret Government would like to adopt.
I AM ANTI GUN normally because over here it was the school boy scout masters who shot up and killed 16 kids down the road in Dunblane, Scotland in about '97 before the ensuing
total gun ban for everyone except farmers was introduced here.
HOWEVER, I have looked into it. The US Citizen's right to bear arms against tyrannical Government (not just for the military or the militias) and the 2nd ammendment was ratified by the US Dept of Justice in 2004.

I would that you could as a God loving nation (large Church congregational turnout) find other means, to resolve this, but it is on the advice of the highest religious figures I have respect for that I repeat - 'we do not act beyond what is written [in law]'.
Instead of approving the the killing of our greatest prophets by the bullet (Luther, Lennon etc) will YOU now, risk taking a bullet for Freedom?
The conclusive extracts ascerting the 2nd are below.
And see the whole document at
USDOJ 2nd Amendment decision

The Second Amendment secures a right of individuals generally, not a right of States or a right restricted to persons serving in militias.

August 24, 2004

That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the . . . article in their right to keep and bear their private arms

"For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right to keep and to bear arms. Current case law leaves open and unsettled the question of whose right is secured by the Amendment. Although we do not address the scope of the right, our examination of the original meaning of the Amendment provides extensive reasons to conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right, and no persuasive basis for either the collective-right or quasi-collective-right views. The text of the Amendment's operative clause, setting out a "right of the people to keep and bear Arms," is clear and is reinforced by the Constitution's structure. The Amendment's prefatory clause, properly understood, is fully consistent with this interpretation. The broader history of the Anglo-American right of individuals to have and use arms, from England's Revolution of 1688-1689 to the ratification of the Second Amendment a hundred years later, leads to the same conclusion. Finally, the first hundred years of interpretations of the Amendment, and especially the commentaries and case law in the pre-Civil War period closest to the Amendment's ratification, confirm what the text and history of the Second Amendment require."

Please let us know if we may provide further assistance.

Steven G. Bradbury
Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General

Howard C. Nielson, Jr.
Deputy Assistant Attorney General

C. Kevin Marshall
Acting Deputy Assistant Attorney General

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