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Insider 04-21-2006 07:20 PM

Mexicans Migrate to 'Their Land'
 
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Lee Benson, Deseret Morning News (Salt Lake City), April 19, 2006


Native Utahn David Timmins makes it clear up front that he has no personal issue with Mexico or the Mexican people. During a well-traveled career as a U.S. foreign service officer, he lived for a time in Mexico and says he enjoyed his posting there immensely.

But in light of the current consternation over immigration, the Harvard-educated diplomat thinks it’s applicable to the debate to bring up something he learned while he lived south of the border.

“Mexicans see the Western U.S. as part of Mexico that was stolen from them 150 years ago,” he says. “They believe this with all their heart.”

It’s his view that the thousands flooding across the border every month don’t see themselves illegally immigrating into a foreign land.

They see themselves coming home.

And we’re the illegals.

{snip}

“I was visiting the Museum of National History in Mexico City where I observed a class of perhaps 40 10-year-old school kids sitting on the ground in front of a huge mosaic map that was labeled ‘Mexico Integral,’ or ‘Greater Mexico.’ Their teacher expounded on how the Norteamericanos stole half of Mexico in 1847. The map showed Mexico to include Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Arizona, Nevada, California, most of Idaho, and Oregon and Washington up to the Alaska panhandle.”

Timmins explains that, in addition to what the United States gained in 1847, Mexico also believes part of the territory sold to America by France in the Louisiana Purchase of 1803 actually belonged to Spain, which by extension means Mexico.

“They (Mexicans) think we bought a disputed title,” he says. “But luckily for us, (Thomas) Jefferson moved fast.”

Add up all this history, Timmins says, and it explains “why every Mexican president, up to and including Vicente Fox, thinks his citizens are simply navigating to land that is historically their entitlement.”

Further, he sees an objective to this passive navigation.

“They have an undeclared policy to retake by infiltration what they lost by infiltration,” he says, comparing the large numbers of Mexicans currently streaming into U.S. territory to the large numbers of Americans who once poured into then Mexican-held strongholds in Texas, California and elsewhere; Americans who eventually turned their collective might into majority rule.

Torquemada 05-01-2006 10:52 PM

Re: Mexicans Migrate to 'Their Land'
 
And then there are those of us whose ancestors were living here in 1846 and had been since 1598. This land was stolen from our ancestors not from Mexicans. We were "Mexican" for 25 years. Prior to that we had been Spanish (or Spanish Americans) for 248 years and still are.

We are primarily of European (Iberian, Germanic, British, Irish, etc.) stock with varying degrees of Amerindian blood.

Our land grants were stolen. Our cities were taken over. Our provincial and local governments were abolished. A new legal system was imposed. A new government was imposed. Physical lynchings continued until the first half of the twentieth century. Legal lynchings continue to this day. Our language, history and culture were suppressed and continue to be suppressed to this day.

Neomejicanos (New Mexicans) and Tejanos (Texans) and Californios (Californians) are not "Mexican". We share a common language and culture and history up to a point but we are as different from each other and from Mexicans as Peruvians are from Mexicans or from Bolivians, Argentines from Paraguayans, etc., etc. We are a separate people but we are also an oppressed people.

We reject Mexican claims to the U.S. Southwest but we also reject Anglo-Saxon occupation. Would Mexican occupation improve our lot? Perhaps.

Edward 05-02-2006 07:12 AM

Re: Mexicans Migrate to 'Their Land'
 
What is happening has nothing to do with anything other than the NEW WORLD ORDER.
The ONE WORLDERS are working to remove borders between our country Canada and Mexico.
It started with N.A.F.T.A. and will end with North America being one of the ten areas that the world has been carved into by the international bankers & corporations like IBM and many others so they can take over the world and make slaves out of you and me.When you have all the money all thats left to go after is power.
Make no mistake when they take our guns (the plan is to get them by the end of 2007) we will be sitting ducks for the goverment to start killing anyone who does not fit into their NEW WORLD ORDER.

Torquemada 05-20-2006 10:16 AM

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So instead of fighting each other lets fight the NWO crowd. The "norteamericano" needs to stop promoting and spreading the anti-Spanish Black Legend. That is the necessary step number one.

sablefish 05-29-2006 08:09 PM

Re: Mexicans Migrate to 'Their Land'
 
Welcome aboard Edward.. You got the Big picture.. Stick around and don't let the fanatics get you down.

I figure we swiped this continent and S. America from a genetic line of the peoples who came from China and migrated over the northern and southern hemispheres during the ice ages.

Historically we have no reason to be here, I'm talking about (White People).

The main threat to the NWO is that the "National Identity" of the U.S. is a problem.. Heck we even believe in a thing called Nationalism.. They don't like that.. So they will destroy that belief along with the belief in family as the basic social unit.

After they are done with destroying the U.S. economy they will Balkanize the U.S into smaller states that could never resist the power of the NWO. And at the same time they will expand the U.S. Canada, and Mexico into one country.

That is what is going to happen.. And this Mexican border thingie is just the start of it.

redrat11 08-20-2006 04:25 PM

Re: Mexicans Migrate to 'Their Land'
 
Quote:

sablefish wrote:
Welcome aboard Edward.. You got the Big picture.. Stick around and don't let the fanatics get you down.

I figure we swiped this continent and S. America from a genetic line of the peoples who came from China and migrated over the northern and southern hemispheres during the ice ages.

Historically we have no reason to be here, I'm talking about (White People).

The main threat to the NWO is that the "National Identity" of the U.S. is a problem.. Heck we even believe in a thing called Nationalism.. They don't like that.. So they will destroy that belief along with the belief in family as the basic social unit.

After they are done with destroying the U.S. economy they will Balkanize the U.S into smaller states that could never resist the power of the NWO. And at the same time they will expand the U.S. Canada, and Mexico into one country.

That is what is going to happen.. And this Mexican border thingie is just the start of it.
The Big Picture You Say.

Ok, here's my prediction what will happen to the country.
1. The 25 million Illegals will be given Amnesty.
(if they don't, more or likely expect mass rioting, BE PREPARED TO DEFEND YOURSELF, It's not you, the Gov't will protect, it's the Illegals!)
2. Quietly, the Infrastructure of the U.S. is bulging with construction, this shows that the "CORPORATOCRACY" will need the Illegals.
3. Expect that most Large American cities to be BALKANIZED by design. Yugoslavia ring a bell. (ther'es a purpose you know.)
4. More and More Rampant corruption on all levels, not just the Federal, with more Illegals, more turd world politics.
5. just pray God ends the world fast! :-?

666 08-20-2006 11:53 PM

Re: Mexicans Migrate to 'Their Land'
 
Quote:

Edward wrote:
What is happening has nothing to do with anything other than the NEW WORLD ORDER.
The ONE WORLDERS are working to remove borders between our country Canada and Mexico.
It started with N.A.F.T.A. and will end with North America being one of the ten areas that the world has been carved into by the international bankers & corporations like IBM and many others so they can take over the world and make slaves out of you and me.When you have all the money all thats left to go after is power.
Make no mistake when they take our guns (the plan is to get them by the end of 2007) we will be sitting ducks for the goverment to start killing anyone who does not fit into their NEW WORLD ORDER.

What's wrong with them taking our guns ???

Fidel Castro did the same to Cuba and now

everybody has access to free education, good

drinking water, free medical care and nobody

sleeps in the street.

Shadow 08-21-2006 02:26 PM

Re: Mexicans Migrate to 'Their Land'
 
But that would be good right?

When that happens they would have no reason to steal our data.

DoctorX 08-22-2006 04:10 AM

Re: Mexicans Migrate to 'Their Land'
 
The real reason the illuminati is allowing mexicans to flood the western part of the USA is because that land itself will be floded when the earth changes happen. Why would the illuminati care if california is full of illegals when california will be underwater along with most of the western part of the USA. The more people in those lands the bigger the sacrifice.

the merger of the USA and Mexico into an american union will probably happen after the great earth changes that change the map of america. But at that time you won't have to worry about illegals coming in since america will be a third world country police state after the natural disasters destroyed its economy.

666 08-22-2006 03:28 PM

Re: Mexicans Migrate to 'Their Land'
 
Quote:

DoctorX wrote:
The real reason the illuminati is allowing mexicans to flood the western part of the USA is because that land itself will be floded when the earth changes happen. Why would the illuminati care if california is full of illegals when california will be underwater along with most of the western part of the USA. The more people in those lands the bigger the sacrifice.

the merger of the USA and Mexico into an american union will probably happen after the great earth changes that change the map of america. But at that time you won't have to worry about illegals coming in since america will be a third world country police state after the natural disasters destroyed its economy.

1. Any date for when this is to occur ?

2. What are your sources ?


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