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Ahmad 03-20-2005 04:55 AM

Woman leads men in prayer
Peace be upon you,

The feminist movements that started with a sincere spirit to counter man abuse were quickly recruited by Satan, now their goal is to distort the design of God.

God has designed the human being with a male leading and a woman "actively" following.

In the muslim world (subverted by Satan into following 'Hadith' books instead of Quran) Satan made two moves this year through the feminists, Nawal El Saadawi in Egypt is running for president, while Amina Wadud in NY is leading men in prayer, i wonder what is next!

New York Daily news

published on March 19, 2005

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DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Under armed guard, a woman broke with more than a thousand years of Islamic tradition to lead men and women in a prayer service yesterday in Manhattan.

Amina Wadud said she wanted "to remove the artificial and sometimes extremely inconvenient restrictions on the entry and participation of women" in Islam, the fastest-growing religion in the United States.

It is rare for a woman to act publicly as the imam, or prayer leader, at a coed gathering of Muslims. In many American mosques, women must use a separate entrance and prayer space.

[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners...

Feel free to check my short article on this issue here,

P.S: The head scarf is a satanic inovation that doesn't belong to the religion of Abraham, "Submission" and could be only found in the Satanic "Hadith" books that the majority of muslims follow instead of the proven Quran.

Draken 03-20-2005 06:34 AM

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That's interesting about the headdress, Ahmad. I know that in countries like for example Uzbekistan were they practice Sufism women don't wear headdresses.
A friend of mine who travelled there not so long ago said he didn't see even one bhurka or other oppressive kind of dress in that part of the world...

KathywithaK 03-20-2005 12:35 PM

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i once knew a man who was unemployed and lazy, and separated from his wife.
one day his children (ages 7 and 9) asked him why he was unemployed, he responded that he cannot answer why God chose this for him, he leaves this up to God.

his children later asked him, why he lives in his van, and he responded that when the time is right, God will find him a home.

when his children asked him why he has no money to feed the family, he responded that when God guides him to a job, he will know that it is the right job and all will be ok again.

when the children asked him why mommy would get mad everytime he stayed out late, he responded that after working all day, a man should be able to have a good time with his friends, God has nothing against this because I worked.

one of the children asked, why then did mommy always work and have money, and payed the bills and put food on the table and never went out, and was sad, we even caught her crying sometimes?

he told them that Satan causes people to do certain things and he makes her sad and angry, these are games Satan plays--we don't want to talk about Satan now---he likes that you know?

"but kids"! he said, daddy will pray to God for mommy so that she doesn't go Satan's way".

so you see people---so with all his shortcomings it is God's doing, we don't question GOD!!!

but when it comes to mommy---it's Satan's doing.

????????? how can anyone play these games with their children? to confuse them. to put a fear of "something" in them. are women so "bad"?

this is a true story i overheard in a park one day by a father who had his children for the weekend. and on weekends they stayed with him in the van, not aloud to "tell mommy" because she would "take them away from him", and therefore she would be doing "Satan's work".

until I stepped in!! and gave his license plate number to social services. with whatever information i gathered: where they went to church, the children's names. and you know what?
he was guilty of mentally and emotionally abusing his children. you might not think so, ask a social worker!!!

KathywithaK 03-20-2005 12:54 PM

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then click on "Links To Several Articles About
The Islamic Inst. of Civil Justice

the click on "Social Degradation of Woman-A Crime and Libel on Islam" by Marmaduke Pickthall

Draken 03-20-2005 02:16 PM

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I hate Social Workers. They are exactly that - working for Socialism. They are there to break up families and give illegal power to dumb, powerhungry, bitter, evil people via the State. They are a menace to every loving family that decides to things their way, without them letting the State do it for you.

Have you not read Makow's articles at all?

I read not so long ago that the CIA and FBI encourages people to tell on their neighbours and to keep their eyes and ears open to "suspicious behaviour."

Well done KathywithaK, the State just made you snitch on a fellow man - and for free as well, because I don't imagine you got paid, did you?

At least Judas got 30 gold pieces...

landownunder 03-21-2005 01:30 AM

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"A friend of mine who travelled there not so long ago said he didn't see even one bhurka or other oppressive kind of dress in that part of the world"
Why do you associate head drsses or the hijab, or burka for that matter with opression?
Could it not be that these people feel more comfortable and free wearing a hijab or a burka?
Have you ever spoken to a woman wearing a hijab or a burka?
I think It is just your own judgement on behalf of others.

Are nuns also opressed?

Draken 03-21-2005 02:06 AM

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I'm sorry, my mistake!

Of course, you're right. I am of your opinion as well. Of course headdresses of any kind is not oppressive in itself.
I must have fallen in the trap of letting "politically correct" ways of expression sneak into MY way of expression.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake! :oops:

landownunder 03-21-2005 04:23 AM

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No need to apologize, i think its quite normal to think like that these days.

I myself do not agree with the burka.I think it is over the top for people to cover their faces,how do we know who's under that? Not logic.
But i respect anyones right to be under that, and dont find it opressive.Not upto me to judge..

I thought this article by Henry Makow is the closest non muslims can get to understanding chasteness with Islam, if you have time:

Ahmad 03-21-2005 04:35 AM

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The ultimate oppression is to institute laws on the people in the name of God, when they are from Satan. Hijab is indeed a sign of oppression, in Hadith books women are equated with inanimate objects (the house) and animals (dogs and horses)! what more evidence do you need than that to understand the evil of Hadith?

Noweher in Quran does God mention the scarf for women, all what is mentioned is to cover their chests and be modest in dressing lengthening their garments, why then do the muslims follow these man-made laws? i think it's about time for you to start questioning your inherited beliefs as i did before you.

The Hadith books have no proof of authenticity, Quran is the only book in the world now that has a physical proof of devine authorship, verify it for yourself.

buckshotBill 03-21-2005 10:00 AM

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woman leads men in prayer

so what?

anyone can

if you believe in the stuff

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