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nohope187 12-24-2004 01:46 PM

How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
I guess this ties in with the earlier topic I posted with why nobody believes in govt sponsored terror. Too many sheeple chasing the wind? Nevermind. :-?

sablefish 12-24-2004 02:03 PM

Re: How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb970219.htm

This link a good one about the subject and how it applies to conspiracy theories.

Born_To_Die 12-24-2004 04:03 PM

Re: How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
ROTHSCHILDS TARGET
PUTIN & BUSH-CHENEY
CHECHEN TERROR IS PAYBACK

By: Henry Makow

Recent events reflect a battle that could derail the Rothschilds' plan for a Third World War by 2012, according to British-based intelligence analyst Tim Rifat.

The Rothschilds temporarily have lost control of both Russia and the United States.

In the case of Russia, Rifat says recent Chechen terrorist attacks on two airliners and a school were designed to punish and undermine Vladimir Putin for his interference with Rothschild oil giant Yukos.

Putin has banished a number of "oligarchs" and seized their assets. According to Rifat, the oligarchs are all Rothschild fronts.

Rifat says the British government and MI-6 are under Rothschild control and financing Chechen resistance. He predicts Putin will be assassinated within two years.




In June 2004, Russian General Leonid Ivashov was quoted as saying:

"A terrorist network whose purpose is to undermine Russia is organized and coordinated from London. There, under the wing of British intelligence, thrive the world's most radical Islamic terrorist organizations, such as the "Islamic Liberation Party", the "Worldwide Islamic Front", the "Defenders of Shariat", the "Mukhadjiri" movement, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan and others. I've named only those organizations which are forbidden in the majority of Islamic countries. In London also are located the nerve centers of Chechen terrorism along with the bank accounts of the terrorists."

In a statement Saturday Putin said some foes wanted to tear off parts of Russia, and others were helping them.

"They help, supposing that Russia - as one of the greatest nuclear powers - still poses a threat to them. So they have to get rid of that threat."

Akhmed Zakayev, a special envoy to Chechen separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov has said that "a third force that brought Russian President Vladimir Putin to power" is behind all the terrorist attacks committed in Russia over the past two weeks. London-based Zakayev said this in an exclusive interview with the Caucasus Times newspaper, printed in Prague, Czech Republic.

In the USA, Dick Cheney and the Joint Chiefs are behind U.S. defiance of the Rothschild agenda. This explains the investigation of Ahmed Chalabi and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin for passing secrets to Iran and Israel respectively. Both men are part of the Neo-Con Rothschild Zionist apparatus in Washington and their treatment sends a message to their superiors, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Eliot Abrams and Paul Wolfowitz.

Georgia Democratic Senator Zell Miller's unusual address to the Republican National Convention can be seen in this context. He accused John Kerry of compromising American sovereignty by deferring to the [Rothschild-controlled]United Nations.

Rifat says that if the Bushies are re-elected, the NeoCons could be in trouble. Thus the Rothschilds' Number One Priority is to elect John Kerry in November and there is no telling what they may do.

If they were willing to sabotage planes and take children hostage to undermine Vladimir Putin, what mayhem would they cause to weaken George Bush? Mossad agents have been arrested in a variety of suspicious cases in the US.

Or might they use surging oil prices or a dollar decline as an excuse to crash the stock market ? Remember what happened to the US economy in 1992 after Bush's father demurred on Israeli loan guarantees.

The Rothschild-owned US TV networks will pull out all stops to get Kerry elected while trying to appear impartial. On Wednesday the NBC nightly news showed film clips which caught Dick Cheney lying when he denied he had ever claimed Sadaam Hussein was involved with Al Queda. Such enterprise on the part of the networks is rare and has a political purpose.

Rifat believes that if Bush gets elected, the US will attack Iran as soon as next year. He says Kerry's mission is to give Iran time to prepare for a global nuclear war, designed to destroy the U.S., Iran and Israel. So while the immediate outcome of a Kerry victory will be a few more years of peace, the ultimate result will be disastrous for the U.S.

Similarly he believes Israelis are being set up for destruction by the Rothschilds who are not really their friends. He claims the Rothschilds gave suitcase nuclear weapons to the Iranians.

Rifat says Cheney-Bush represents a US-based elite's global hegemony while Kerry represents Rothschild-UK-EU hegemony. If we believe him, and that's a big IF, patriots may have to hold their nose and vote for George W. Bush.

The globalists operate like the Mafia. Rivalries develop as different families and alliances jockey for supremacy.

Rifat is a veteran Rothschild watcher. He is also a leading expert in "remote viewing" mind reading and clairvoyant skills that apparently are related to the occult and of great interest to intelligence agencies.

I am not endorsing his views but offering them as a possible explanation for recent and future events. Rifat is definitely unique. He says MI-5 is trying to kill him using microwave beams. He rejected their offer of employment. He calls England a "slave state" and says the elite is saturated with satanism.

It's possible he's on a mission to create support for Bush by pretending the Rothschilds are opposed to Bush. But I tend to listen to people like Rifat (or at least reserve judgment) until they disappoint me. His vision makes sense and is consistent with my other research. He seems to be genuinely courageous and dedicated to humanity. Make up your own mind.

I differ from Rifat in that I am not sure Iran will be manipulated into posing a real threat to the U.S. or anyone else. The problem the US faces is, having removed Sadaam Hussein, it cannot leave Iraq without seeing it taken over by pro-Iranian factions. I would like to see the US make an accomodation with Iran but that is not likely as long as it pursues a policy of aggression.

I differ from Rifat in that I am not sure Iran will be manipulated into posing a real threat to the U.S. or anyone else. The problem the US faces is, having removed Sadaam Hussein, it cannot leave Iraq without seeing it taken over by pro-Iranian factions. I would like to see the US make an accomodation with Iran but that is not likely as long as it pursues a policy of aggression.

freeman 12-24-2004 05:07 PM

Re: How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
Quote:

This link a good one about the subject and how it applies to conspiracy theories.
LOL. I was going to post the same link, but you beat me to it, sablefish. Best and most concise explanation of the Hegelian dialectic I've seen so far.
We must be "crossing servers" more than we realize.

nohope187 12-24-2004 05:18 PM

Re: How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
Reason why I asked in the first place as this topic, is because anyone who knows anything about conspiracy should already know about the dialectic and how it works. I mean this is like one of the basic building blocks of understanding the thinking of globalists along with Machiavelli's well practiced thoughts for government of "what you can't achieve by deceit, you acheive by force". :-?

Mr_Shady 12-27-2004 01:49 AM

Re: How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
NoHope,

Quote:

Reason why I asked in the first place as this topic, is because anyone who knows anything about conspiracy should already know about the dialectic and how it works.
I think it's a little harsh to say this.

I've learned a lot since I "woke up", which was shortly after 9/11. I've done countless hours of research concerning conspiracies since then. Even before 9/11 I had thoughts and ideas, but nothing like what I have now. I've never once came across the Hegelian Dialectic until now.

Quote:

I mean this is like one of the basic building blocks of understanding the thinking of globalists along with Machiavelli's well practiced thoughts for government of "what you can't achieve by deceit, you acheive by force".
You make a very valid and interesing point and I think I do too. In order to educate more people on what is really happening, we have to expose them to the Hegelian Dialectic. Trying to explain a conspiracy to people without knowledge of the Hegelian Dialectic only makes you (or me :-D ) look like a kook. However, it's not too hard to explain, especially with the examples given on the web page that was linked in this thread.

I think this would do very well with the movie that is being planned in another thread on this site.

I'm going to make up flyers that explain the Hegelian Dialectic and hand them out. Hmmm, I'll also start leaving them in public places. I'll hand them out to strangers. I have a brainstorm brewing and I think I like it. :-)

Mr. Shady

Pliny 12-28-2004 12:08 AM

Re: How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
A rather assumptive question. The Hegelian dialectic does deserve more than a mention.
as Marx based Dialectical Materialism on it although he had his disgreements with Hegel.

Where do you see it fitting in? What are the thesis-antithesis you see?

Ozziecynic 12-28-2004 02:49 AM

Re: How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
:-? Yes the hegelian dialectic and many of you cant even see beyond your own Right wing biases.
Like taxation and wealth redistribution to those that may need it!.Some posters on forum are so blatantly pro market forces.I see no point in trying to claim your all some third position beyond left and right ideologically.
It just doesnt wash Nth american folks. :lol:

DarkChilde3D 12-28-2004 03:37 AM

Re: How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
I'm pro market, but only to a degree . . . people should run a market, and not vice versa. Many companies deliberately hide product so that they can up the price.

Same thing happens with technology. They're 30 years into the future right now, but they'll never release it until they've exploited every cent they can out of the 'current top of the line products.' God isn't worshiped anymore . . . people worship the dollar. The only reason why some of these rock stars are loved is because of the cash they make. Ever take a good look at Tommy Lee? Is this dude ugly or what? Yet he has women throwing themselves at him constantly. Nobody seems to care that he has Hep C . . . he got cash. I guess this makes it worth the risk.

People are screwed up.
I don't mind people with egos, frankly . . .
At least they're not tax collectors.

DC

marypopinz 12-28-2004 07:43 AM

Re: How come nobody knows what the Hegelian dialectic is?
 
Ozzie, please explain more cuz I really want to understand your point and I know there is one to be made.

PLease explain more. I feel like I'm in math class telling the teacher I don't get it, when I know I'm gonna have to understand what he's saying cuz I need to know the math.

Please explain more of what you mean: wealth redistribution and pro market forces, specifically please.

Mary XXX


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