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Ahmad 04-01-2005 06:13 AM

Destroying the community
Peace be upon you,

Here is an excerpt from my new article,

".......Why did this happen? it all began with destroying the community, Satan literally dragged us to large jungle-cities to desensitize our sense of community, large buildings where the neighbors don't know each other, vast malls, big streets, where anything can happen, and anyone can sin freely with no regard for the missing-community!"

"All these systems feed into the original doctrine of Satan, a hierarchy of masters and slaves, where the people are not equal as God created them, but are ranked into masters and slaves, since Satan can not enslave anybody unless this individual accepts to play along (as an arrogant controlling master or an apathetic servile slave)."

"Few refuse to play along, refuse to conform with transgression, and because of that they get oppressed, oppression is Satan's weapon to enforce his hierarchy on the human beings and force them into submission to him instead of God, it ranges from bullying, intimidation to verbal and physical attacks."

Feel free to read the rest of the article here:

truebeliever 04-01-2005 06:54 AM

Re: Destroying the community
Could'nt agree more Ahmed.

By dividing us between race, religion, sex and even family lines we stand naked before the State.

Even in big cities it is still possible to form community and even produce ones own food through permaculture techniques.

By relying on each other we cut our dependance on the State.

I say let the State wither and die. Turn our backs on it in a slow and deliberate long term plan to weed ourselves away.

Turn to each other. Forget about the polititions. Forget about voting. Drop out. Stop buying their worthless crap.

The danger? In 1973 the National Security Council released a paper on what were the threats faced by the U.S. No1- people would form communities and 'drop out' causing the system to collapse. I will try and find this paper. My only fear is that they will go after communities with this philosophy like they went after The Branch Davidians.

Oh well. I guess if we have to fight we have to fight. Maybe they should know this?

nohope187 04-01-2005 01:13 PM

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Yeah, the Branch Davidians were wrongfuly demonized by the media to justify the governments atrocity. :-P

Draken 04-02-2005 12:06 AM

Re: Destroying the community
Not just that but they will infiltrate such communities as well and try to destroy it from the inside, like they did and do with the militia movement.

truebeliever 04-02-2005 02:33 AM

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There is an extremely easy way to deal with that Drak. You lay down solid ground rules. You break them, you're out.

In my community i own and administer the land. People are guests at my leisure.

There are no politics. If people dont like it they leave.

Make your community amongst friends and family.

It'll either work or it wont.

God will always bring the right people to you.

Draken 04-02-2005 03:37 AM

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Yeah, I see your point.

But if you want to grow powerful and be totally independent from the State, then the State will sooner or later see you and your community as a threat to their livelihood and will want to destroy it and you.

There are enough info on the Branch Davidians acually being a clandestine CIA operation in the vein of <a href="">The Symbionese Liberation Army and the Patty Hearst kidnapping</a>.

More documents <a href="">HERE</a> and <a href="">HERE</a>.

truebeliever 04-02-2005 03:45 AM

Re: Destroying the community
I must be perfectly honest. If i could gaurantee my own independence away from the State and the ignorent masses i would not post here and simply leave.

Unfortunately, there is no rocket ship to another planet where freedom lovers can move.

Therefor, if i'm going to be free, everyone has to be free.

I agree Drak...the State will attempt to ruin ANY successful move to independence.

Still, if enough people turn their backs, maybe it wont come to that.

Draken 04-02-2005 04:07 AM

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I think Butler Shaffer is definately on to something. I recommend (as I've done before) <a href="">ALL</a> his articles, but espaecially the one below.

<a href="">Why I Do Not Vote by Butler Shaffer</a>

truebeliever 04-02-2005 06:14 AM

Re: Destroying the community
Yes, i agree with him. Particularly in the American experience.

They're actually trying to bring electronic voting in here. Amazingly, considering the differing opinions, every one of the politions here from the left/right did'nt want a bar of it. From ALL political spectrums they ALL said "It was a dismal failure in the U.S".

It's a hard choice to make...whether to join in or drop out. Chomsky would say that dropping out amounts to suicide and that the political system is the only voice of the little people no matter how flawed...yes but how flawed does it have to get Noam and where were you on the electronic voting?

Whatever the individual my country your vote is still counted but i have only ever voted once. My heart just is'nt in it.

The closest I came to voting was the recent Federal election and only because the Labor leader (Democrat) was Mark Latham. A man who called Bush "the most inept President in living memory" and John Howard and the Liberals (Republicans) "a conga line of arse lickers".

Joe Vialls claims threats were made on his life. I believe it. He completely dissapeared overnight from political life.

He was blessed and cursed with a propensity to tell it like it is...and paid the price.

So why vote?

I'd prefer the option to opt out. Those that want to stay, good luck to you.

But will they leave us alone? My only worry.

Draken 04-02-2005 07:15 AM

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To all those people who consider opting out to be passive I say: in this world where black is white and up is down, the most ACTIVE thing Man can do is to NOT TAKE PART.

Take part? IN WHAT - this damn "democracy" charade? I think they've fooled us long enough, thank you very much.

I tell you what: long time ago Ozziecynic actually managed to ask me a brilliant but oh so important question, namely "what kind of society/civilization would you support/want to live in, if not the democratic one - what alternatives do we have?"

I promised to get back to him on that and never did - until now. (Shame he seemed to have disappeared.;-))

I start with a teaser - let's see if anyone gets it!

I claim that dictatorship is not oppressive by default. It depends on WHAT is being dictated and by WHOM and on WHAT AUTHORITY.

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