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Liberty 04-17-2005 03:10 PM

Newbie from the UK: my story + views on social engineering
 
Hi everyone, I'm a new poster here (a British gal, no less!), and since I love to hear other people's "waking up" stories I thought I should have a bash at presenting my own. I find that being aware of the enormity of the NWO agenda is quite alienating sometimes, and I don't tend to talk to people about it. Those that I do try broach the subject with often fail to take it on board. That is their choice of course, but I would find it enormously helpful to share experiences and views with other people who are conscious of what is happening :-)

Please note (before I launch into things) that I realise that quite a few posters here are Christians, so some of you will probably not agree with some of what I have to say. However, I do not claim by any means to have "all the answers" and would be very interested to hear what any of you guys have to say about my suggestions.

Anyhow, to introduce myself, I'm 22, I live in England and graduated from university last year [Would be great to hear from some more Britishers on here by the way!]. I've always been quite interested in "mysteries" and the nature of the unseen world, and since the age of about 16 started to develop a real thirst for "the truth" about life and the universe etc. I'd read about many events that were inexplicable to mainstream scientists and felt strongly that there was more to the world around us than the usual 5-sense reality. I also felt deep in my heart that were all here for a reason and that there was a higher purpose to our lives. By the age of 18, I started to find out more about the explanations given by the major world religions. Above all, Christianity offered the most coherent worldview and seemed to respond to a deep need within human beings: namely for love, forgiveness and redemption. To me, Jesus was quite simply a perfect example of how to live one's life, and I accepted that Christianity's historical origins in this respect were unquestionably well-documented.

One thing that did disturb me about Christianity was the idea of all non-Christians going to hell for an eternity. Because of the deep unease I felt about this, I decided to some research into Christianity's origins and read a number of books on the subject such as The Jesus Mysteries by Freke and Gandy, as well as many non-Christian and Christian apologist websites. I soon began to feel that there was little or no evidence for the historical Jesus, and from looking at the evidence it appeared to me that there had been a plethora of (often remarkably similar) dying saviour god-man myths stretching back thousands of years in the Mediterranean and Near East.

Something that kept recurring in this research was the role that the Mystery Schools played in hoarding and transmitting the esoteric meanings of these dying saviour god-man myths. It was clear to me that the Bible (what has been presented to the people as historical fact) was in fact a repackaged version of the old symbolic stories whose deeper meanings were often only revealed to neophytes. It was from these Mystery School links that began to read about the history of secret societies like the Freemasons, and from thereafter I was soon very much aware of the New World Order agenda.

Thanks to people like Alex Jones, David Icke and Henry Makow, I now know that much of what we are told about all those apparently unconnected issues and events is simply a farce. Like Henry Makow, I used to be left wing and a feminist; I was also pro-immigration and multiculturalism and thought that people who wished to preserve nationhood and traditional values were simply bigots. Indeed, my university was so dominated by multi-culti globalist leftists that it's quite frightening to realise the extent to which we were indoctrinated. I guess very few of the blinkered leftist sheeple ever really consider why the political elites who promote wars and support exploitative globalist capitalism (i.e. Bad Things) are the same ones who are constantly ramming multiculturalism and "diversity" (i.e. Good Things) down our throats through the media, education and statute book....! Whilst "diversity", "hybridity" and the "vibrancy" of non-Western cultures were celebrated, anything Western and/or Christian was regarded as responsible for all the world's woes. (N.B. It is like this in pretty much all public institutions in the UK now).

You might be surprised to hear me refer to the denigration of Christianity, and I admit that this one is quite a conundrum for me. After all, I just openly suggested that Christianity is a cynical repackaging of pagan myths, used to keep the masses in fear and in ignorance. However, to see it as a black and white partisan-type issue is perhaps rather simplistic when we are dealing with an elite which consistently uses the dialectic technique. The explanation that I have arrived at is that the NWO consider contemporary institutional Christianity to have served its strategic purpose in many areas of the world (particularly in Europe), and are now intent on destroying it from both within and without. This is because it is irreconcileable with the NWO's attempts to promote homosexuality and feminism as a means of undermining traditional family structures. A return to traditionally "Christian" values such as honesty and compassion would pose a further threat to the NWO, as would the shift in emphasis from materialism and consumption to the spiritual integrity of the self and the wider community.

As an aside, it is worth noting that although the numbers of people attending Church of England (i.e. Anglican) services in the UK have seriously dwindled over the last few decades, the Archbishop of Canterbury (and many other CofE clerics) sounds suspiciously "on-message" about issues such as homosexuality, immigration and Islam. For instance, the Archbishop (Dr Rowan Williams) does not reflect the Bible's unequivocal rejection of homosexuality, says opposing mass immigration into Britain is simply "racist" and says that he believes that Muslims will get into heaven, just as Christians do. As such, Dr Williams is very much reinforcing the messages we (in the UK) are fed day-in, day-out that homosexuality is just as "normal" as heterosexuality, that anyone who objects to massive Third World immigration to Britain is automatically racist, and that the demands and sensibilities of the rapidly-burgeoning Muslim population should be indulged at whatever cost.*

* Please note that I have no personal wish to outlaw homosexuality or to ban Islamic religious belief. For me, these are issues of personal choice. However, I do object to the fact that these issues are now taboo (at least in British society) and that Islam and homosexuality are being cynically exploited by the NWO as a means of breaking down the traditional fabric of Western societies.

Ahmad 04-17-2005 10:19 PM

Re: Newbie from the UK: my story + views on social engineering
 
Peace be upon you,

You have reached a very important point in your quest for truth Liberty, all the main religions have been infiltrated by Satan long ago so why now the same Satan is out to destroy them!?

What many conspiracy theorists fail to understand is that Satan's troops are divided, God says that only the believers in Him alone can be united.

In my opinion there are two disputing factions in the world today, the liberal, secular tribe and the fundamentalist, conservative tribe.

The old corrupt religions belong to the second group, it seems that the first group is taking over from the second group nowadays. However Satan schemes and God also schemes, God is the best schemer.

AS for multiculturism, i just happened to add an article on my website about it, i believe that people now are stuck in fake communities, not based on belief, but based on race, colour, life style..etc

Any society based on these false illusions is on a self-destruction path. I believe also in multiracialism, however based on a "common belief".

As for Christianity, indeed the Nicene conference held by the pagan emperor Constantine 325 AD did inject all the ancient myths into Christianity.

Now Jesus is a god against his will, same happened with Judaism as they put their rabbis' laws above God's and with Islam since they idolize Muhammad and Ali instead of God alone.

But for the believers in God, there is always hope, God has annihilated the giant empires of the past, what would make the current empires any different! May God give us the patience to wait for His judgement.

truebeliever 04-17-2005 10:59 PM

Re: Newbie from the UK: my story + views on social engineering
 
Dear Liberty,

Firstly a sincere welcome.

"I soon began to feel that there was little or no evidence for the historical Jesus, and from looking at the evidence it appeared to me that there had been a plethora of (often remarkably similar) dying saviour god-man myths stretching back thousands of years in the Mediterranean and Near East".

It seems that you are well and truly in their clutches and apparently totally unaware.

You speak like a Jungian...all the, "it's just metaphor", "it's just parable", "it's a few tips for living"...it's all those and also a historical fact that Christ walked amongst us.

Even Carl Jung never wrote that Christ never existed. He simply pointed out that the life of Christ mirrored an ancient archetypal pattern. So does the heroic journey of George Washington...did he exist?

By what measure do you rate the historical evidence of Jesus?

Go here for a quick look...scroll to the bottom.

www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga

By any measure the N.T passes every test for the accuracy of an ancient text. ANY MEASURE.

But you quote David Icke as a source? DAVID ICKE! Youve got to be kidding me LIBERTY! You doubt the credential of the N.T but are prepared to listen to the twaddle of a man who beleives the world is run by "shape shifting lizards"!

No wonder God is pissed!

I dont go to church, but I know how to be intellectually honest...

Believe what you want but do not claim that their is NO historical evidence for Christ having walked amongst us.

Sincere welcome and best to you...and even you Ahmed!

Ahmad 04-18-2005 01:25 AM

Re: Newbie from the UK: my story + views on social engineering
 
Peace truebeliever,

I agree with you that nobody can dispute a MAN named Jesus did exist, the contemporary historians mentioned him in their writings, e.g: Josephus Flavious, the Jewish historian.

Quote:

By any measure the N.T passes every test for the accuracy of an ancient text. ANY MEASURE.

I believe that the Bible is maybe 90% accurate, however there are clear injections, e.g: twisting some verses to point to Jesus instead of God like the verses talking about God's coming in dense clouds along with the angels..etc

We have a final Proven testament, Quran, why don't you verify the physical incontrovertible evidence proving its authenticity?

Since God intended for it to confirm and supercede the Bible, it is equipped with this superhuman miracle. The original Bible may have a similar phenomena but due to the magnitude of injections, it cannot be restored, Quran on the other hand was restored to its original form after the miracle exposed only two false verses (intended to exalt Muhammad) in the text.

www.usn2161.net/19miracle.html

truebeliever 04-18-2005 04:24 AM

Re: Newbie from the UK: my story + views on social engineering
 
BTW LIBERTY, you write well for a 22 year old.

Good structure. Henry Makow would be proud!

Did you graduate in one of the arts?
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Ahmed, you are sincere (I believe) and a God fearing man. Thats good enough for me.

I wonder weather the 'Muslim' world is different to the 'Christian' world? That these two desert religions 'symbolise' (oooo that word!) two different ways of thinking and seeing the world?

I cant tell you exactly why but the Christian faith works for me. I believe that religion is a process of unfolding so I keep an open mind.

I am impressed with what I read of the Muslim world. Like so many Christians they are susceptible to mistakes in their worship. That I believe is more the fault of the ones who came after.

I love the stories of hospitality given Westerners who visit the desert countries especially. Read "The Real Bravo 2 Zero" by a former SAS member who debunks the outright lies and exagerations by several SAS members when they were captured in Iraq.

They were treated well but decided to exagerate and lie to sell books.

So called 'Christians' in Iraq at the moment may want to take note. And even watch "Laurence Of Arabia"...

As long as people put God above the State i'm happy.

Christs life resonates with me. Thats all i can say.

Ahmad 04-18-2005 10:48 AM

Re: Newbie from the UK: my story + views on social engineering
 
Peace,

If you still think that God in all His greatness was incarnated in a creature form, i recommend this short article for you,
Greatness of God

Also in case you missed it on another old thread, here is an excerpt from an article of a famous Christian scholar, John Hick

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[img align=left]http://www.johnhick.org.uk/frontcover.jpg[/img]John Hick : Philosopher of Religion & Theologian
Danforth professor of the philosophy of religion, emeritus, the Claremont Graduate University, California; H.G. Wood professor of theology, emeritus, the University of Birmingham, UK; honorary professor of the University of Wales,UK; Fellow of the Institute for Advanced Research in Arts & Social Sciences, University of Birmingham, UK. Vice-President, British Society for the Philosophy of Religion; Vice-President, The World Congress of Faiths.

[Emphasis added]

I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me’ (14:6)

"It is generally held today that the great ‘I am’ sayings of the fourth Gospel, which I quoted a minute ago, cannot be attributed to the historical Jesus but are words put into his mouth by a Christian writer some 60-70 years later, and also that Jesus’ sayings in the Synoptic Gospels cannot be taken to constitute a claim to be God incarnate - as Dunn says, ‘there was no real evidence in the earliest Jesus-tradition of what could fairly be called a consciousness of divinity’.

If this comes to anyone as a bit of a shock, that is because although theologically educated ministers of the church know this, they do not mention it in their sermons. And I must confess that I myself have never said it in a sermon, but only in settings such as this. This silence has been going on for a very long time, and of course the longer you put off saying something difficult - difficult to the hearers - the harder it becomes to say it.

When some years ago, 1977, a group of us, who included the Regius Professor of Divinity at Oxford, and a former Regius at Cambridge, then Warden of Keble College, Oxford, and the Principal of Cuddesdon Theological College, Oxford, and others, published a book called The Myth of God Incarnate in which we discussed this question openly and frankly, we were attacked and reviled, not for saying what the scholarly world had long known, but for saying it so publicly and with such an alarming title.


But today, more than twenty years later, the whole subject is much more openly discussed, and I don’t have any hesitation in discussing it here."

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"It’s also well known today - another theme of that book - that the term ‘son of God’ was widely used in the ancient world. Jesus was by no means the only person to whom the term was applied

In particular, within Jesus’ own religion, Judaism, Adam was called the son of God, and is so called in Luke’s Gospel where Jesus’ ancestry is traced back to ‘the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God’ (tou Seth tou Adam tou Theou’, 3:38), angels were called sons of God, Israel as a whole was called God’s son, and indeed any outstandingly pious Jew could be called a son of God. And the ancient Hebrew kings were enthroned as son of God - hence the words of Psalm 2:7, ‘Thou art my son, this day I have begotten thee’. But no one within Judaism thought that God literally begot sons.

The phrase ‘son of God’ was clearly metaphorical. ‘son of'’ meant ‘true servant of’ or sometimes ‘given a special divine mission by’ or more generally ‘in the spirit of’. The term was a very familiar metaphor within Judaism and never implied deity.

But as Christianity expanded beyond its Jewish roots into the Graeco-Roman world the metaphorical son of God was gradually transformed in Christian thinking into the metaphysical God the Son, second person of a divine Trinity.

And it is this epoch-making development that is under question today."

http://www.johnhick.org.uk/article2.shtml

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[112:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[112:1] Proclaim, "He is the One and only GOD.

[112:2] "The Absolute GOD.

[112:3] "Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten.

[112:4] "None equals Him."

this 04-18-2005 03:59 PM

Re: Newbie from the UK: my story + views on social engineering
 
Liberty said:

"Like Henry Makow, I used to be left wing and a feminist; I was also pro-immigration and multiculturalism and thought that people who wished to preserve nationhood and traditional values were simply bigots..."


and that can be case. The elite controllers seek to have their hands in every pie, going with what happens and turning it this way and that to ratchet up tensions and control the outcome. The Khazar and Communist "conspiracies" or fact, going by the death tolls, are quite large and long running. The testament to their strength lies in their ability to hoodwink most people in the West. Discussion on this forum the past month or so can attest to these conspiracies. Those seeking to understand what's really going on in the world usually stop at the Bush/Imperial USA layer and can see no further. Although a true blight, is it the full picture?

If you used to be a feminist, at this time how did you see yourself being mind controlled?


"...Indeed, my university was so dominated by multi-culti globalist leftists that it's quite frightening to realise the extent to which we were indoctrinated. I guess very few of the blinkered leftist sheeple ever really consider why the political elites who promote wars and support exploitative globalist capitalism (i.e. Bad Things) are the same ones who are constantly ramming multiculturalism and "diversity" (i.e. Good Things) down our throats through the media, education and statute book....! Whilst "diversity", "hybridity" and the "vibrancy" of non-Western cultures were celebrated, anything Western and/or Christian was regarded as responsible for all the world's woes. (N.B. It is like this in pretty much all public institutions in the UK now).

rangergord 04-19-2005 09:38 PM

Re: Newbie from the UK: my story + views on social engineering
 
I came to similar conclusions on a different path.

I started out by researching communist inflitration of the US and discovered it predated communism and required the right and left (Morgan and Rockefeller); while appearing to be two opposed sides but working for the same end result.

George Skull or John Bones ... what a choice!

Seriously, the World (from the US perspective) began its downward spiral in the 1912 election ... Teddy was a fraud, Wilson was a puppet but they were enough to dislodge Taft.

1992 was a bit of deja voodoo with Perot attacking Bush to elect Clinton so that he could get congressional dems to support NAFTA.

I've never studied the 68 election ... may one day.

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Jesus lived. Christianity is Pagen (Pope worship). God exists.


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