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BlueAngel 10-16-2007 05:34 PM

The Illuminati: Keeping it all in the Family; OBAMA AND CHENEY ARE DISTANT COUSINS
 
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Peter 11-28-2007 06:09 PM

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Bloodlines are all important for the illuminati. John Kerry and George Bush are third degree cousins. They are also related to the house of windsor. The house of windsor are relatives of the former kaizer of germany and the former tsar of russia. One big happy family.

Out of the Box 07-28-2008 06:47 AM

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If you go back far enough in the past, you'll probably find blood ties between almost all elite families. I wouldn't regard these blood ties as proof of anything.

Out of the Box 07-28-2008 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50014)
I would.

Why?

Out of the Box 07-28-2008 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50022)
This is how they keep wealth and power amongst themselves.

Staying within the family is indeed a means to keep wealth and power amongst themselves, but remote family connections hardly imply a conspiracy.

Out of the Box 07-29-2008 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50029)
I don't recall that anyone professed it to be a conspiracy.

Or nepotism. Whatever.

You can't even distinguish national-socialism, fascism and socialism so don't you start semantics on me now.....

Out of the Box 07-29-2008 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50051)
Yes, we can distinguish them, but as I said they basically have the same principles.

No, they don't. Differences between eg. communism and national-socialism are quite significant.

Besides... you seem to imply that only the most limited form of government is a good form of government. This is a typical libertarian fallacy. Very limited governments tend to lead to an economical variation on social darwinism which in turn leads to the most extreme sort of exploitation imaginable.

Out of the Box 07-29-2008 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50055)
In that thread, I suggested that fascism; Nazism and totalitarian governments were alike.

You brought up socialism, etc.

No, I didn't. I mentioned national-socialism, which is the neutral term for nazism. National-socialism == nazism and Hitler's party was called the National-Socialist German Worker's Party.

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50055)
I did not imply that a limited form of government is a good government.

Then what type of government do you prefer?

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50055)
As I said, and I'll repeat, I suggested that fascism; Nazism and totalitarian government were alike.

Hardly. The most totalitarian governments are Western-European 'democracies' and communist nations. Fascism and national-socialism (nazism) are alike, but they nevertheless differ on key issues.

Out of the Box 07-29-2008 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50062)
Yes, you brought up national socialism, for the record.

As we see, national-socialism is equivalent to Nazism; Nazism is equivalent to fascism; fascism is equivalent to a totalitarian government.

As I said.

One one hand you claim we live in an Illuminati-controlled society and on the other hand you use very simplistic mainstream definitions (definitions accepted and used by our political leaders) to desribe political ideologies. Don't you see what's wrong with that picture?

- Nazism === national-socialism
- Nazism =/= fascism, although both are similar
- Totalitarianism is completely unrelated to both. As I said : the most totalitarian governments are Western-European 'democracies' and communist nations.

Out of the Box 07-30-2008 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50080)
I don't use simplistic mainstream definitions to describe political ideologies.

Those are the definitions.

Those are the definitions used by the NWO and other enemies of national-socialism and fascism and far from objective definitions.

Would you consider an anti-communist's definition of communism to be a suitable definition? Would you consider an anti-libertarian definition of libertarianism to be a suitable definition?

David Myatt describes national-socialism like this :

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National-Socialism believes there are two fundamental ways of living, and thus two fundamental types of society based upon these two ways. There is the material way of living, with individuals striving for, or pursuing, "happiness", material comfort and wealth. Then there is the way of excellence, of idealism (or nobility) with individuals striving for an idealistic goal. National-Socialism believes the material way is decadent - a waste of our lives, a waste of the evolutionary potential which we possess.

Furthermore, National-Socialism believes that the life of an individual is better, more fulfilling, if the idealistic goal that is pursued is in accord with the will of Nature. That is, if this idealistic goal aids Nature, and continues the evolutionary work of Nature. This stems from the National-Socialist assertion that we, as human beings, are part of Nature, and subject to the laws of Nature. All other philosophies, political beliefs or religions assert that we, as human beings, are somehow "above", different or separate from, Nature and her laws.

One of the fundamental aims of National-Socialism is to continue the work of Nature by creating better, more advanced, individuals and by creating a better, more advanced, more civilized society for these individuals to live and flourish in. National-Socialism believes that better individuals can only be created through the pursuit of noble values - by individuals changing themselves for the better through a personal act of will. This requires individuals, and society itself, to champion and uphold those values which create personal excellence, which aid the individual change necessary. According to National-Socialism, these values are honour, loyalty and duty - for only these values create the right type of idealistic person, someone with a purity of purpose. It is these values, and these values alone, which create a civilized individual. A civilized person is a more evolved individual - someone with a higher, a noble, personal character. Further, it is the duty of each noble individual to act in accord with the workings, the will, of Nature herself.

According to National-Socialism, the folk - or "race" - is how Nature works. For National-Socialism, the folk is Nature made manifest; the folk is our connection to Nature. The different folks which exist among our human species are an expression of evolution in action - of Nature working over Aeons to produce diversity and difference. Thus, the folk is an expression of our very humanity - of our human identity.

Accordingly, National-Socialism desires to preserve and further evolve, in an honourable way, the folk itself. All other philosophies, political beliefs or religions desire to destroy the folk through creating multi-racial, multi-cultural societies.

However, it needs to be stressed that National-Socialism - being based upon honour - demands that all National-Socialists treat all people, of whatever race and culture, with respect. To do otherwise, is contrary to the ethics of National-Socialism, based as these ethics are upon honour.

For National-Socialism, the fundamental meaning of our lives, as individuals, is to strive to continue the work of Nature. This means striving to advance ourselves through upholding, in our own lives, the civilized values of honour, loyalty and duty; it means us doing our noble and civilized duty by striving to preserve and further evolve our own folk or race, and those things which make our own people unique. These unique things are the ethos, the soul, the character, the culture, of our folk. According to National-Socialism, the ethos, the character of our human species is expressed by honour, curiosity, exploration - these things express the true nature of we human beings. Furthermore, National-Socialism believes that it is the ultimate Destiny of our human species to settle among the stars of our galaxy - to create a Galactic Empire or Federation.

In contrast to the inspiring, the noble, the Galactic - the numinous - goals of National-Socialism, the goals of all other philosophies, political beliefs or religions are mundane, materialistic and a complete waste of our lives.
This is far from the way national-socialism is described by the NWO (as a monstuous totalitarian and genocidal ideology), yet it is completely in line with historical evidence.

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Originally Posted by BlueAngel (Post 50080)
An Illuminati controlled society is one of fascism, Nazism (national socialism) and a totalitarian government

An Illuminati controlled society is a totalitarian system that incorporates zionism, fake "democracy", "multi-culturalism", global free trade, commercialised hedonism and perversity, the dumbing down of the masses and mass consumerism. Fascism and national-socialism are the exact oposite of an Illuminati controlled society.


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