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Jimbo 01-22-2008 04:45 PM

Original ClubConspiracy Formatting Gone ???

Original ClubConspiracy Formatting Is Gone ???

None of the formatting is visible. No avatar, icons, embedded pictures, embedded videos, fonts & font sizes, or even URL links. Although some URLs do show, a great majority of them don't. This has to do their expected format, since CC used to provide its own pseudo HTML tags, along w/ standard HTML tags.

So, what should we expect?

Is the original ClubConspiracy HTML formatting gone?

mizfish 01-22-2008 04:54 PM

hi there :)

the old forum was converted over to vbulletin, because it offers the users so much more. the benefits will be totally worth it long term, and the forum is more stable.

also, i'll be giving the forum a brand new look, to make it feel more like home.

hopefully settling into the new format wont take too long, but if theres anything i can help with, or if you have any questions, please let me know.

take care


Jimbo 01-22-2008 05:02 PM

Hi, susie

You said "settling into the new format wont take too long".

What do you mean?

The new format you are implementing or changing the “old format” into a “new format”?

In general, could you answer whether is the old HTML formatting along w/ all of the fonts sizing & embedding gone?

mizfish 01-22-2008 05:06 PM

hi Jimbo,

basically, we changed the older forum type, into a better kind, which is the forum you see now. the change has been made. the only thing left for me to do is to make sure the forum looks cool, (or try to :) )

the vbulletin forum kind that we're now using here is more stable. its mroe reliable, and has more facilities for the user. long term, we hope to see the forum here grow, and many more users come here. the old forum type isnt really as stable to cope with such a demand, or secure. but vbulletin will help it all the way and make it easier for people.

i hope this helps :)


Jimbo 01-22-2008 05:21 PM

Hi, susie

Unfortunately it doesn’t help much, since a new skin is not going to help how any of the old threads display.

Right now none of my threads display anything but “text”. So they pretty much look like the inside of an HTML page, which, as you know, is not the reason why we use HTML. They look very busy & lousy, & they are pretty much useless.

We want all of the fonts & embedded graphics & videos to show, but right now the “vBulletin engine” is doing a lousy job at best.

Please note that I am NOT blaming you or any staff members for this. I understand this is caused by the new “vBulletin engine” not being able to display any HTML tags.

So what I am asking is whether we are going to be able to display HTML tags & embedded graphics & videos (“as we used to” in CC Xoops) using the new & improved “vBulletin engine” at any time in the future ???

If you can answer that question I’d be thrilled !!!


mizfish 01-22-2008 05:31 PM

hi Jimbo,

can you give me a couple of example posts with the display problems and one with the vidoe problem?

i dont think we can fix all the video issues. as to allow that kind of scripting is basically leaving the forum open in regards security, but i can add a hack that'll allow for posting of youtube clips. (youtube uses a standard format for their clips, but others vary too greatly to be able to cope with the hack format).

i'll work on trying to make the rest look better though.



Jimbo 01-22-2008 06:06 PM


The following thread contains all of the HTML tags & tricks I have been previously using at CC.

I use a mixture of standard IMG, HREF, URL, BLOCKQUOTE, P, Hn (n=1,2,3), UL, & LI "html" tags w/ a small subset of these equivalent tags that were provided by the CC Xoops engine which also include their FONT & SIZE tags.

The only 2 video formats that I use are the standard embedded YouTube & embedded Google video formats that are widely used all over the Internet.

Embedded YouTube Video Tag
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value=""></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Embedded Google Video Tag
<embed style="width:608px; height:342px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src=""></embed>

Also, a lot of the URL links that I used, don’t have a surrounding set of URL tags, & so they default to being displayed as an HTML URL link. So, if you now require a set of surrounding URL or HREF tags & do not allow for a default URL link to being displayed, then someone has to go in and edit each individual link manually & thus surround each default URL link w/ a corresponding set of URL or HREF tags. So you would need to allow me to go in & edit my threads, or if you had a global fix, then that would be that much easier for everyone – just a suggestion.

So, although I don't use that many different HTML tags in reality, their power is obvious. And so you can understand my disappointment & frustration.

Here is the thread...

The Official Ron Paul President 2008 Campaign Trail- Thread

Thank you in advanced for all of your help & your involvement.

mizfish 01-22-2008 06:39 PM

hi Jimbo,

leave it with me, i'll see about adding the extra commands in as bbcode.


mizfish 01-22-2008 06:46 PM

ok, here's the youtube one.

using the square brackets ][ enter "youtube" then the identifier:

eg - B7MiOB2xcFo

sample post:

PHP Code:


i'll work on the rest in the morning (its 1.45am here)

if you have time, can you give me a list of all the commands that dont currently work, such as the size=xx-large one. so that i can make sure to add them.


Jimbo 01-22-2008 08:14 PM

Desired Fixes
NOTE: Please don’t take any of my comments personally, since I am just letting you know how I feel. By them I am not implying anything else about you, your staff, or this world in general.

// Font Sizes


// Untagged URL Link (sort of like a Bastard URL Link)

Although the above link seems to want to become a URL, which we have to admit is very admirable for such a lifeless thing, the same style links in my thread do not. Is this a "conspiracy" ???

Providing a fix for these tags would allow my threads to be displayed w/o editing. So rather than in some cases just creating an alternative PHP tag, which is obviously the simple & easy way out, the desirable fix would be to allow the HTML Tag to coexist w/ the other PHP tags. The following HTML tags are so standard that not having them would be a real let down.

// Disaplayed Image File followed by a URL Link to the Image w/ a Caption.
// Note: The [target="_blank"] parameter allows for a new empty window to be opened rather than
// using the existing window. This feature is very nice since it doesn't disrupt your main session window.
<img src="__image_link_.jpg_bmp_etc">
<a href="__image_link_.jpg_bmp_etc" target="_blank">__picture_caption__</a>

For example, althought the [yotube]__youtube_video_id__[/yotube] is simple enough to use, the already existing tags in the existing threads are still there. So unless you would allow me to edit these pages manually, they will still be displayed w/o the video inserts. This same thing applies to the Google Video Tags.

In addition, if you do also provide an alternate PHP Google Video tag, such as, [embdgooglevideo]__embdgooglevideo_id__[/embdgooglevideo] it would be much more desirable in this case to also allow the specification of both of the "width & height" parameters. Such as, [embdgooglevideo width=600 height=400]__embdgooglevideo_id__[/embdgooglevideo]

// The "Google Video Tag" has become such a common standard that not having would be a real "disappointment".
// Google Video Tag - It would be nice to be able to set both the "height & width" parameters here...
// Everything else here is standard except the __video_id__
<embed style="width:608px; height:342px;" id="VideoPlayback" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src=""> </embed>

Allowing this HTML "Google Video Tag" would allow my threads to be displayed. Otherwise, they have to be re-edited.

And again, the HTML "YouTube Video Tag" is also needed vs the PHP tag [yotube]__youtube_video_id__[/yotube]. Otherwise the existing threads would have to be re-edited by someone willing to do this right, like I would be willing to do this right. It took a lot of time & effort to get these threads made, so I am not looking forward to see them go to waste.

// Embedded YouTube Video Tag
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value=""></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

// Listing Tags

// BlockQuote Tag

// Paragraph Tag

// Header Tags - n=(1,2,3,...)

// Happy Face Wearing Sun Glasses (Notice the leading blank space)

// Surprised Face (Notice the leading blank space)

// Question
In my "Posting Rules" it shows "HTML code is Off". How can I turn this "ON"? Is this what is preventing my "bastard URL links" from being displayed as URL links ?

Thanks Again !!!

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