The NWO is "not real"
 

The New World Order does not exist as a vast conspiracy to enact a one-world totalitarian state, as Alex Jones and others would have you believe. It is not a secret club of people that are hellbent on population control and one-world government [and not that great at keeping secrets]. It is, rather, a fabrication based on a series of misinterpretations and out-of-context quotes.

The NWO is about power
When people speak of a world order, they are simply referring to the global power structure. This power structure, or international pecking order, is a function of a nation's economic and military prowess. Leaders around the world, including Mikhail Gorbachev have used the phrase to describe a shift in global influence.

When George Herbert Walker Bush made his infamous quote in January 1991, he was simply referring to the opportunity for US global dominance after the fall of the Soviet Union:

"This is an historic moment. We have in this past year made great progress in ending the long era of conflict and cold war. We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order—a world where the rule of law, not the law of the jungle, governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful—and we will be—we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.'s founders." George H.W. Bush - January 16, 2001
Address to the Nation on the Invasion of Iraq (January 16, 1991) - Miller Center of Public Affairs

To be clear, the New World Order is real, just not in tinfoil sinister sense that many make it out to be. It is simply a reference to a desire for international geopolitical dominance. The New World Order is about being the international top dog, a rational desire of any nation.

The NWO is not about a one-world government
The NWO is a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy with regards to one-world government. The fact that we are shifting towards less individual national power is cited as evidence for the emergence of the international totalitarian state. However, the prospects of losing national sovereignty are great because of both natural and unnatural forces: nuclear proliferation, famine, genocide, territorial disputes, etc. It is naive to think that these issues don't merit some form of international cooperation to manage.

Elites != NWO
Lastly, any society in which you have the convergence of a free-market system with a representative democracy will inevitably produce a class of 'elites'. These elites will use their resources in both the private and political arenas to further their own agenda. They will work the political game to their advantage by funneling money towards certain obedient or friendly candidates. One must recognize that there are a minority of influential people pulling the strings, but its numbers are in the hundreds of thousands and they are not affiliated in any way but by the desire to make money.

When a person thinks about it objectively and realistically, the New World Order conspiracy is a complete fabrication. The propagation of this idea among "truthers" should be avoided at all costs. It goes against the spirit of objectivity and questioning.

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I would suggest that most of what you have posted is wrong and contradictory.

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The NWO is nothing but a group of loosely associated people cooperating on a single agenda of global dominance for the select few. As such, you are only partly right.

Global cooperation is a good thing. The centralisation of global power into a single power structure is a very bad thing! The NWO is an attempt to achieve the latter.

Most people involved are only driven by the desire to make money, but that doesn't change the fact that there's a tiny group of people of planners at the very top who uses these greedy bastards to achieve their agenda. Ignorance of the nature of a conspiracy by most of those involved doesn't negate the conspiracy. In fact, a vast conspiracy can ONLY work when most involved are kept in the dark on most of the details.

It is true that in the past there were different elites struggling against one another for dominance, but as centuries progressed we see an increasing centralisation of power into fewer and fewer groups.

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The NWO is indeed unproven. But if you have a low sense of what consistitutes evidence then it is all too real.

Icke says all leaders are Illuminati, so why bother to centralise government? If they already rule the planet then why go the route of looking suspicious by having one country in charge?

It's all bullshit for the gullible.

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The agenda is largely known and many people actively and consciously involved are known. We just don't know all the details considering a lot of knowledge on the oligarchy is unavailable to anyone beyond their immediate circle. Large scale conspiracies only work when most involved are only informed on a "need to know" basis and largely unaware of the agenda they're helping to get accomplished. This doesn't mean they're all impossible or imaginary.

First of all, Icke is hardly the most reliable source on this topic so I see no point in referencing him.

Second, the oligarchy (I don't like the label "Illuminati" since I doubt these people actually use that name for themselves) only has full control of North-America and Western-Europe. Most other parts of the world are still partly or entirely independent. Therefore, the oligarchy continuously seeks methods to increase their influence and make its coordination more efficient.

David Icke's "shape-shifting lizard" theory, Alex Jones "Germanic death cult" claims, Christian-fundamentalist "black pope" theory and claims about alien undeground bases definitely fall in the category of outer fringe disinfo for the gullible, but some so-called "conspiracy theories" actually are based on facts.

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>>The agenda is largely known and many people actively and consciously involved are known.

The theories are known, but nothing has been proved. Big difference.

>>First of all, Icke is hardly the most reliable source on this topic so I see no point in referencing him.

They all use the same ambiguous info.

>>Second, the oligarchy (I don't like the label "Illuminati" since I doubt these people actually use that name for themselves) only has full control of North-America and Western-Europe. Most other parts of the world are still partly or entirely independent. Therefore, the oligarchy continuously seeks methods to increase their influence and make its coordination more efficient.

Some theorists say ALL leaders of ALL countries are puppets of the NWO.

And why would they want to have power over small poor countries like Borat's home town? To control the horse piss wine production? If you run the west you have the best parts. Some big agenda then, to get control of Shitistan and Crapistan.

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>>but some so-called "conspiracy theories" actually are based on facts.

The only conspiracies that bear out to fact are the P2 thing and things like Gladio.

Out of all that bullshit. The Masons, mind, denounced the P2 lodge because of their plans. None of these so called conspiracies had earth shattering consequences. They were dodgy political manouvering. That's all. Some would say that was bad enough. I find it all too forgettable.

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Wrong.

Wrong again. There are numerous theories ranging from highly speculative ridiculous outer fringe stuff like the "black pope" (popular among American baptists), the "Germanic death cult" (Alex Jones) and "shapeshifting reptilians" to proven facts like the use of nano-thermite at 9/11, Oswald not being a lone gunman and "democracy" being an oligarchy in shrouds.

There's no evidence to support that. In fact, countries like Russia, Iran and Venezuela are clearly on different sides.

You could see at world politics as a baseball league. If you control the best baseball league team, you still have a great chance of losing. If you control the best five baseball league teams, you have a great chance of winning. If you control all baseball teams, you can't lose. In fact, you can determine the outcome of the entire league.

Let's also not forget that poor countries sometimes have many interesting recources (eg. sub-saharan Africa) and/or a hostile population (eg. Venezuela). Why not gain control of them if you can?

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What about 9/11? Even the official claims are a conspiracy theory (muslem extremists in some cave conspiring to strike at the evil Western imperialist). ;)

What about the Holocaust? Whether the claims of "6 million murdered Jews" is nothing but anti-fascist/pro-zionist propaganda or whether Hitler really did attempt to mass murder all European Jews, both claims are conspiracy theories.

Or what about the murder of Julius Caesar? What about the gunpowder treason? What about the French, American and Russian revolution? Aren't those all conspiracies by definition?!?

Masons aren't idiots. Of course they denounced P2.

9/11 had. The Holocaust had. All the examples hereabove had. To imply that conspiracies never have shattering consequences is not only ignorant of documented history (whether official or apocryphical), it is simply ridiculous.

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Not about one world government?

Wouldn't that be the ultimate power?

They are about power.