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DarkChilde3D 01-12-2005 11:32 PM

Let me ask a few question of the anti-religious . . .
Now, this site is intended to be about our freedoms . . . freedoms of our speech, of our thought, of our daily lives. Knowing this, and knowing that some of us have God in our daily lives, surely, religious freedom falls into the category of what this site stands for. It stands for those of us who wants these freedoms, and stands against those who wish to take these freedoms away.

I find it sort of ironic that there are some members of this site that show total disdain to those of us who like to show answers to problems through religious thought.

It is the belief of a few people in this forum that those against religion are just as bad as those who wish to take away our rights as human beings.

I have been PMed on more than one occasion about this topic, asking me to pose the question . . . and I was sort of wondering about this myself, anyway. Maybe its just because I seem to have brass balls that I have been chosen to be a spokesman, of sorts . . . but by all means, please tell us your reason for wanting to seemingly supress God by answering the questions below without flaming me or anyone else (in other words, intelligently)

Can those of you who are AGAINST religious discussion please tell me why you would supress those of us who decide that through God all things are possible?


Don't you think that, maybe, you are just as bad as those who wish to take our freedoms away by trying to supress our religious based threads?


Does the act of trying to supress these religious responses go agains the freedoms that this site stands for?

On behalf of myself as well as others, I ask this.

billiard 01-12-2005 11:48 PM

Re: Let me ask one question of the anti-religious . . .

very good question and point made . i am anxious to see the responses . it has always seemed to me that "tolerance" in a religious context as used by most means christians must be tolerant of other belief systems ,but those other belief systems are not obligated to be tolerant of the christian. i have also noticed that in the politically correct wave in american society , it is unacceptable to revile any religious or ethnic group except for christians . makes me think christians are targeted by satan like no other group. wonder why that is ?

Ahmad 01-13-2005 04:17 AM

Re: Let me ask one question of the anti-religious . . .
Peace DarkChilde,

What really puzzles me always is this situation:

1- Mr.A says: "my god is the moon"

2- Mr.B responds: "a moon is no god, you should worship its Creator"

3- Mr.A says: "the moon is the creator!"

4- Mr.B responds: "God warned us in His scriptures of a severe retribution for those who worship the creatures instead of Him alone"

5- Mr.A says: "WHAT???YOU MUST BE CRAZY"

6- Mr.B responds: "Ok, i warned you, it's your call!"

7- Mr.A shouts: "GET OUT OF HERE, OR I WILL KILL YOU $#%$#%%#

Some people feel threatened when people start speaking about God, as if their life is in danger!. I believe this is the source of "conformity" in our modern societies, it is because some people don't want to be exposed, so they make it their goal to con-vert evrybody else, so that they will not be exposed! what are they hiding?

Why do the pornographers want to spread their disease! why do the homosexuals want to con-vert everyone? why aren't they satisfied with enjoying themselves, without imposing their perversion on us!?

I for one won't conform, God willing i will never stop inviting to God as i see belief in God as the only way to defeat the enemies of humanity, but i know my limits and never force my beliefs on others, God says that there shall be no compulsion in religion.

Is tolerance suppression of beiefs? is tolerance accepting evil? is tolerance wanting everybody to conform with only one opinion?

Tolerance in my religion is Peace:

[109:0] In the name of God, The Gracious, The Merciful

[109:1] Say, "O you disbelievers.

[109:2] "I do not worship what you worship.

[109:3] "Nor do you worship what I worship.

[109:4] "Nor will I ever worship what you worship.

[109:5] "Nor will you ever worship what I worship.

[109:6] "To you is your religion, and to me is my religion."

get_real 01-13-2005 05:51 AM

Re: Let me ask one question of the anti-religious . . .
Good Morning Darkchild and others in this thread.
May I pose a question? Basically, back to square one, "what is your definition of a Christian?"
And I have to disagree whole heartedly with those that feel that Christians are tolerant of others' beliefs, etc. Christians have lost their ways somewhere down the road. I haven't called myself a Christian since the early 80's. Not too go to much into it, read the Bible! It tells you exactly what type of Christian NOT TO BE!
Please, Darkchild and others, give me your definition of "Christian". Or what it means to be one. Thanx, get_real.

billiard 01-13-2005 06:50 AM

Re: Let me ask one question of the anti-religious . . .
get real

technically it is what a christian believes that makes him a christian -not what he does . each individual christian is in some transition between what he was before and what he will become .continuous change is involved ,which is known as sanctification in the bible . i will agree that many christians don't behave in a way that makes christianity attractive , demonstrating the love of God ,but many do also.i could go on a monologue about the reasons for this ,but suffice it to say there are many teachings in the churches that are destructive deceptions ,poisonous doctrine injected by the enemy of our souls, that retard growth and are contrary to the scriptures . many are misled and misinformed ,resulting in behavior issues .

a christian is one who believes that human nature is flawed , that we sin because we are born sinners ,being descendants of Adam ,as the bible teaches .he believes that God and sin cannot co-exist and that God and sinful man cannot and do not have a relationship . and that man needs this relationship to be whole,to be restored to right relationship with his creator .and that God did what he had to do to restore it by becoming a man,in the person of jesus christ, and living a sinless life and willingly suffering torture and death on our behalf . just as one man's sin made us all sinners, here one man's obedience brought righteousness for all . so being a christian is accepting what was done for us ,which we couldn't do for ourselves,and having that relationship restored . that's the way i read it .

Ahmad 01-13-2005 06:59 AM

Re: Let me ask one question of the anti-religious . . .
Peace billiard,

"so being a christian is accepting what was done for us ,which we couldn't do for ourselves"

Just trying to understand, what and why "we couldn't do for ourselves"?

get_real 01-13-2005 07:04 AM

Re: Let me ask one question of the anti-religious . . .
Hey Billiard:
Thanx for the response. Nope, doesn't work for me.
Nature flawed, and all the rest? I believe in a different Adam(atom) and Eve(evolution).
Is it possible that there is some type of existance after we depart, sure why not! Is it possible for some man named Jesus (which I don't believe there was), to 'ascend'. Sure why not!
But I'm not going to hate (with an OK from my Christianity) those that are not Christians.
And I refuse to accept Satan, hell, and the 'devil made me do it' jibber. We are here, let's make this a nice place to live, love, and provide for each other. Isn't that sweet! :-)

billiard 01-13-2005 07:40 AM

Re: Let me ask one question of the anti-religious . . .
well i thought it was an honest question so i gave an honest answer.i didn't know you just wanted points to argue about .you were being disingenuous saying to read the bible and then making it obvious you don't believe what's in it . you can believe what you want,but that doesn't make it true . it takes more faith to believe that the complexity of the human nervous system,for instance, evolved from a micro-organism in a puddle of goo 5oo million years ago than it takes to believe there is a God who made it all. only someone who doesn't want to believe in God could believe that . you asked for a definition and you got one .what's your definition?

DarkChilde3D 01-13-2005 07:40 AM

Re: Let me ask one question of the anti-religious . . .
As a Roman Catholic Christian:

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things seen and unseen.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, and the only Son of God, Begotten of the Father before all the ages, Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten not made, of one in being with the Father, through Him all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from the heavens, and was made flesh of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, He suffered and was buried, and rose again on the third day in fulfillment the Scriptures, and ascended into the heavens, and is sited on the right hand of the Father, and will come again with glory to judge living and dead, of whose kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, that proceeds from the Father. With the Father and Son is worshipped and glorified, and spoken through the prophets:

I acknowledge one baptism for the forgivness of sins. We look for a resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.

And that's a pretty close representation of the Nicean Creed, however I do not believe in the Catholic Church, or ANY church for that matter. And to me, with or without the Church, is what makes a Christian, by definition of BASIC belief.

Now, in my original question . . . I NEVER mentioned Christians, period. My question was aimed at those who are constantly saying things resemblant to, 'This is a freedom forum, not a religious forum,' and so forth.

There are a few out there, they know who they are, and they haven't answered yet.

Now, get_real, the fact that you believe in the POSSIBILITY makes you an agnostic, which is cool with me. You at least entertain the possibility of a higher being.

My questions are directed to the flat-out athiests.

And to Ahmed . . . may the peace of God be with you
Its not ALL the things which we can't do for ourselves . . . its the original sins of Adam and Eve, the original sin that Christ died to have forgiven, is the ONE thing that we cannot accomplish unless we accept Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Its just MY belief, you can either believe it or not . . . either way, you're a non-hating, devout holy man, and that's cool with me.

get-real, you have your own beliefs, and that's cool with me, as well. Like I said before, I'm stating this to all of those who have said to, 'keep God off this site.' Because the people who say things like that, are just as guilty as the NWO for even stating that. If you don't want to hear about God, then just scroll down to the next thread. If I don't want to hear about how there is no God, I just scroll down as well.

I'm just trying to bridge the gap, so I can understand non-believers a bit better, and they can understand us, without just assuming we are 'Jesus Freaks,' or 'Terrorist Muslims,' or so on. That's my only intention.

So, whover missed the initial 3 questions, please refer to my original post up at the top of this page.

billiard 01-13-2005 07:41 AM

Re: Let me ask one question of the anti-religious . . .

read post again. repeat if necessary .it's explained in the post .

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