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07-11-2005 09:18 PM

I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
Karl Rove By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
4 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - For the better part of two years, the word coming out of the Bush White House was that presidential adviser Karl Rove had nothing to do with the leak of a female CIA officer's identity and that whoever did would be fired.

But Bush spokesman Scott McClellan wouldn't repeat those claims Monday in the face of Rove's own lawyer, Robert Luskin, acknowledging the political operative spoke to Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, one of the reporters who disclosed Valerie Plame's name.

McClellan repeatedly said he couldn't comment because the matter is under investigation. When it was pointed out he had commented previously even though the investigation was ongoing, he responded, "I've really said all I'm going to say on it."

Democrats jumped on the issue, calling for the administration to fire Rove, or at least to yank his security clearance. One Democrat pushed for Republicans to hold a congressional hearing in which Rove would testify.

"The White House promised if anyone was involved in the Valerie Plame affair, they would no longer be in this administration," said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "I trust they will follow through on this pledge. If these allegations are true, this rises above politics and is about our national security."

The investigation into the 2003 leak had largely faded into the background until last week, when New York Times reporter Judith Miller went to jail rather than reveal who in the administration talked to her about Plame.

Cooper also had planned to go to jail rather than reveal his source but at the last minute agreed to cooperate with investigators when a source, Rove, gave him permission to do so. Cooper's employer, Time Inc., also turned over Cooper's e-mail and notes.

One of the e-mails was a note from Cooper to his boss in which he said he had spoken to Rove, who described the wife of former U.S. Ambassador and Bush administration critic Joe Wilson as someone who "apparently works" at the CIA, Newsweek magazine reported.

Within days of the July 11, 2003, e-mail, Cooper's byline was on a Time article identifying Wilson's wife by name — Valerie Plame. Her identity was first disclosed by columnist Robert Novak.

The e-mail did not say Rove had disclosed the name. but it made clear that Rove had discussed the issue.

That ran counter to what McClellan has been saying. For example, in September and October 2003, McClellan's comments about Rove included the following: "The president knows that Karl Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion," and, "It's not true."

Reporters seized on the subject Monday, pressing McClellan to either repeat the denials or explain why he can't now.

"I have said for quite some time that this is an ongoing investigation and we're not going to get into discussing it," McClellan replied.

Asked whether Rove committed a crime, McClellan said, "This is a question relating to an ongoing investigation."

McClellan gave the same answer when asked whether the president has confidence in Rove.

Rove declined to comment Monday and referred questions to his attorney. Last year, he said, "I didn't know her name and didn't leak her name."

The Rove disclosure was an embarrassment for a White House that prides itself on not leaking to reporters and has insisted that Rove was not involved in exposing Plame's identity.

The disclosure also left in doubt whether Bush would carry out his promise to fire anyone found to have leaked the CIA operative's identity. Rove is one of the president's closest confidants — the man Bush has described as the architect of his re-election, and currently deputy White House chief of staff.

Rove's conversation with Cooper took place five days after Plame's husband suggested in a New York Times op-ed piece that the Bush administration had manipulated intelligence on weapons of mass destruction to justify the invasion of Iraq. Wilson has since suggested his wife's name was leaked as retaliation.

The e-mail that Cooper wrote to his bureau chief said Wilson's wife authorized a trip by Wilson to Africa. The purpose was to check out reports that Iraq had tried to obtain yellowcake uranium for use in nuclear weapons. Wilson's subsequent public criticism of the administration was based on his findings during the trip that cast serious doubt on the allegation that Iraq had tried to obtain the material.

Luskin, Rove's lawyer, said his client did not disclose Plame's name. Luskin declined to say how Rove found out that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and refused to say how Rove came across the information that it was Wilson's wife who authorized his trip to Africa.

Rove's lawyer says his client has done nothing wrong.

"In the conversation, Karl is warning Cooper not to get too far out in front of the story," Luskin said. "There were false allegations out there that Vice President Cheney sent Wilson to Niger and that Wilson had reported back to Cheney about his trip to Niger. Neither was true.

"A fair-minded reading of Cooper's e-mail is that Rove was trying to discourage Time magazine from circulating false allegations about Cheney, not trying to encourage them by saying anything about Wilson or his wife."

Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean said it is "disturbing that this high ranking Bush adviser is not only still working in the White House, but now has a significant role in setting our national security policy."

Dean's counterpart, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman, responded: "It's disappointing that once again, so many Democrat leaders are taking their political cues from the far left. ... The bottom line is the Democrats are engaged in blatant partisan political attacks."

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (news, bio, voting record), D-N.J., and a private group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, called on Bush to suspend Rove's security clearances, shutting him out of classified meetings.

Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., asked the Republican chairman of the House Government Reform Committee to hold a hearing where Rove would testify.

Rove should resign or the president should fire him, said Tom Matzzie, Washington director of the liberal advocacy group MoveOn PAC.

Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., asked Rove to detail any conversations he had about Plame before her name surfaced publicly in Novak's column.

igwt 07-11-2005 10:46 PM

Re: I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
According to Skolnick, Plume was outed in revenge for Wilson criticizing Bush...

Fitzgerald is also the Special Prosecutor in the CIA leak case involving Valerie Plame. She has been a deep cover CIA operative supervising upwards of one hundred CIA penetration agents which were inside hostile countries. As a reprisal against her husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, criticizing George W. Bush; that Bush leaked data to traveling whorehouse operative Jeff Gannon alias Johnny Gosch, to blow Valerie's cover, a federal criminal offense.


http://www.rense.com/general63/gan5.htm

07-12-2005 11:32 AM

Re: I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
Quote:

igwt wrote:
According to Skolnick, Plume was outed in revenge for Wilson criticizing Bush...

Fitzgerald is also the Special Prosecutor in the CIA leak case involving Valerie Plame. She has been a deep cover CIA operative supervising upwards of one hundred CIA penetration agents which were inside hostile countries. As a reprisal against her husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, criticizing George W. Bush; that Bush leaked data to traveling whorehouse operative Jeff Gannon alias Johnny Gosch, to blow Valerie's cover, a federal criminal offense.


http://www.rense.com/general63/gan5.htm

So, this is saying that BUSH leaked the data to Jeff Gannon.

WTF?

So, Jeff Gannon is the source the reporters are protecting???

So, he is the fall-guy??

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Yes, of course Revenge for Wilson discrediting Bush and using the Niger claim as one of the LIES for invading Iraq.

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Democrats press Rove on CIA leak

Karl Rove is one of President Bush's closest advisers.

US Democrats have urged the White House to give a full account of senior aide Karl Rove's alleged role in disclosing the name of an undercover CIA officer.

The calls came after revelations that Mr. Rove contacted journalist Matthew Cooper about the agent days before her identity was revealed in the press.

The White House has refused to comment on the affair, citing an ongoing criminal investigation.

Mr Rove has previously denied being behind the disclosure.

Prosecutors are investigating how the identity of the agent, Valerie Plame, was revealed in the media in 2003.

Deliberate exposure of a covert agent is a criminal offence in the US.

The affair has led to a tense stand-off between the government and the media over the right of journalists to keep contacts confidential.

Credibility questioned

Newsweek magazine quoted Mr. Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, as saying he discussed Ms Plame with Cooper in an e-mail without mentioning her name or being aware that she was working covertly.

HE WAS NOT AWARE SHE WAS A COVERT AGENT!!
WHY WAS HE DISCUSSING MS. PLAME AND HOW DO YOU DISCUSS SOMEONE WITHOUT MENTIONING THEIR NAME?

CAN WE HAVE A COPY OF THE EMAIL PLEASE??

CIA leak rocks media
Q&A: US media freedom case

Correspondents say that, while it is up to prosecutors to find out whether a crime has been committed, the government's credibility is now at stake because of previous denials by Mr. Rove.

Democrats said the White House should reveal all the facts of the case.

"The lessons of history for [US President] George Bush and Karl Rove is that the best way to help themselves is to bring out all the facts, on their own, quickly," said New York Senator Charles Schumer.

Senate Minority leader Harry Reid said he hoped President Bush would follow through on a pledge to sack anyone involved in leaking the agent's name.

Niger claim

But White House spokesman Scott McClellan would not say whether the pledge still stood.

PLAME AFFAIR TIMELINE

Feb 2002: Joseph Wilson looks into reports that Iraq tried to buy uranium in Niger;

6 July 2003: Mr Wilson goes public about investigation;

14 July 2003: Columnist Robert Novak writes the trip was inspired by Ms Plame - Matthew Cooper reports that he had similar information;


HOW DID NOVAK KNOW THE TRIP WAS INSPIRED BY MS. PLAME? AND, ANY PUBLIC CITIZEN, SINCE THEY DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS AN OPERATIVE, CAN RECOMMEND MR. WILSON TRAVEL TO NIGER ON OFFICIAL BUSINESS? THEY SAID SHE HAD 100 OR SO OPERATIVES UNDER HER. I THOUGHT IT WAS NOVAK WHO ORIGINALLY BLEW HER COVER? IF SO, WHY HASN'T HE TESTIFIED AS TO HIS SOURCE?

MATTHEW COOPER REPORTS HE HAD SIMILAR INFORMATION.

30 September: Justice department launches probe

24 June 2004: President Bush testifies in case

5 July: Cooper and Judith Miller ordered to testify about sources

10 August: Miller and Cooper sentenced for contempt of court

28 June 2005: Supreme Court refuses to hear appeal

6 July: Miller jailed after appeals fail, Cooper agrees to testify

Facing hostile questioning at a news conference, he said: "No-one wants to get to the bottom of this more than the president of the United States.

"And I think the way to be most helpful is to not get into commenting on it while it is an ongoing investigation."

Cooper, who writes for Time magazine, and fellow journalist Judith Miller of the New York Times, had both been ordered to testify about their sources in the leak case.

Cooper later agreed to testify after Mr. Rove apparently said he could do so.

ROVE GIVES COOPER PERMISSION TO TESTIFY. WHAT DID HE SAY DURING HIS TESTIMONY? IF ROVE WAS SOURCE, WHY GIVE PERMISSION?

But Miller maintained her refusal - arguing that it was her duty as a journalist to protect her sources - and was jailed.

Ms Plame's husband, former US ambassador Joseph Wilson, has alleged that his wife's identity was made public in an attempt to discredit him after he challenged the government's arguments for going to war in Iraq.

Mr Wilson says he travelled to Niger to investigate a claim that Iraq had tried to buy nuclear material there but found no evidence to prove it.

Mr Luskin said Mr Rove's e-mail to Cooper said that Ms Plame had authorised the trip.

WAIT!! THEY SAID EARLIER THAT THE EMAIL DIDN'T CONTAIN THE NAME OF THE PERSON ROVE WAS DISCUSSING.

ROVE DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS AN OPERATIVE, BUT SHE AUTHORIZED THE TRIP!!!

Its purpose was to discourage Time magazine from publishing false allegations that Vice-President Dick Cheney was behind the trip, not to deliberately expose Ms Plame, he added.

SO, WHO ARE THEY PROTECTING? CHENEY? WAS HE NOVAK'S SOURCE? DO WE KNOW WHO NOVAK'S SOURCE WAS? WHAT ABOUT THESE SO-CALLED FALSE ALLEGATIONS THAT CHENEY WAS BEHIND THE TRIP? WHAT INFORMATION DID TIME HAVE THAT THEY DID NOT PRINT?

The claim was used by President Bush as one of the reasons for invading Iraq.


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How many players????

07-12-2005 11:58 AM

Re: I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
Question:

Who blew Valerie Plame, Plume's cover as a CIA operative? Actually, someone needs to verify exactly how to spell her last name?

Was it Novak?

What did he report? Did he report that she authorized the trip to Niger for her husband because she is an operative?

Because, see, this isn't really about who authorized the trip to Niger. Doesn't seem like that is an offense.

It's about who BLEW her cover!!

SPIN, SPIN. Round and round and round we go. Scrambled brains, anyone?

07-13-2005 08:01 AM

Re: I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
Okay, maybe this isn't as important as an "impending nuclear attack," but Karl Rove certainly does need some attention.

Firstly, NOVAK outted Plume, Plame, however they're spelling her name these days!!

Did he not?

Now, they had two reporters who wouldn't testify. Testify to whom?

Why wasn't there an investigation when NOVAK first disclosed her? Why wasn't he called to testify as to his source?

Now, ROVE gives permission to one of the reporters to testify. HOW SO? Who is he to authorize someone to testify unless he is the SOURCE?

Where is HELEN when you need her and why the hell can't we have a PRESS CONFERENCE!?!

igwt 07-13-2005 08:11 AM

Re: I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
Check this story out, see if it rings true to you.

Lawyer: Cooper “Burned” Karl Rove

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200507121626.asp

07-13-2005 08:47 AM

Re: I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
Come on, the headline is RIDICULOUS. Oh, poor Karl Rove!!

I'll be back!!!

07-13-2005 03:27 PM

Re: I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
Rove's attorney accuses Cooper of spinning the story. HA!!

I guess the "spin doctors" would know all about that.

I think they've committed SPIN!!

Very weak point made is that Cooper brought up the subject first.

What?

Are they in grade school. Nah, nah, nah, you brought it up first.

The fact of the matter is this. No matter which way they "spin" it, Karl Rove gave up Valerie Plume's cover.

What? Did he think that Valerie Plume without agency status could authorize a trip to Niger for her husband?

I still want to know why NOVAK hasn't been grilled???

The two other reporters (one jailed) and NOVAK, nothing??

He is the one who originally OUTTED Valerie.

WTF?

Who was your source NOVAK?

How come Rove doesn't spell his name with a "C?" Doesn't have anything to do with the German spelling, does it?

nohope187 07-13-2005 05:23 PM

Re: I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
Quote:

BlueAngel wrote:
How come Rove doesn't spell his name with a "C?" Doesn't have anything to do with the German spelling, does it?
It really should be a backwards K, so you know he's one of those Russian commies. :-P

07-13-2005 09:48 PM

Re: I Think Karl Rove Should be OUTED!!!
 
"The White House has previously said Rove was not involved in the leak. But an internal Time magazine e-mail disclosed over the weekend suggested Rove mentioned to Time reporter Cooper that Wilson's wife was a CIA agent."

AN INTERNAL EMAIL SUGGESTED ROVE MENTIONED TO TIME REPORTER COOPER THAT WILSON'S WIFE WAS A CIA AGENT. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT IF THE EMAIL WAS FROM ROVE EITHER IT DID OR IT DIDN'T.

She was first publicly identified by name as an operative in a July 2003 opinion piece by syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak. Rove, through his lawyer, has confirmed that he talked to Cooper but has denied providing Plame's name or leaking classified information.

I ASSUME WHEN ROVE WARNED COOPER NOT TO GET IN TOO FAR OVER HIS HEAD, THIS MAY HAVE APPLIED TO GIVING UP HIS SOURCE. WRITING THAT ROVE HAD TOLD HIM PLAME AUTHORIZED THE TRIP AS SHE WAS AN OPERATIVE.

I'M STILL PERPLEXED, HOWEVER. THE TWO REPORTERS WERE ASKED TO GIVE UP THEIR SOURCE AND ARE INVOLVED IN A GRAND JURY INQUIRY, YET, NOVAK WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO BLOW HER COVER. WHY HAS NOVAK NOT BEEN CALLED?


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