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Old 09-18-2005, 02:50 AM
psholtz psholtz is offline
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Default Re: Jews 4 Jesus..."What proof do you have that Jesus was the Messiah?"

Saturnino wrote:

To hell with John darby or Chuck Missler. You only have to look at the Bible, it is plain and clear what the Law is. It is also clear that Jesus knew exactly what it was. He made references to it all the time. I could start copying verses to you, but I think it is your job to get to the Bible and read it. That's what I did. It takes some work.
What I don't appreciate is the double speak you (and all the authors that try to disprove the Bible) use, saying that the Law is the Law but is not the Law...come on, make up your mind. Either it is what is clearly written or it is all a fable and a lie.
God's Law is - in so many words - God Himself, and as such, the Law is inscrutable, undefinable, unnamable and (ultimately) beyond the capacity of the human mind to fully grasp, although we can pick up little bits and pieces of it here and there (like "God is no respecter of persons" or "You shall reap as you sow", etc).

In any case, though, God's Law has little - if anything - to do w/ what passes among the Jews as the "Law of Moses" (Levitivus, Talmud, etc). These are little more than secular laws set down for the purpose of controlling and dominating the masses. OK.. that's nice. I suppose any society that values self-preservation needs something like that (here in this country, we call it the Constitution).. but just realize that such "law" is the "law of man", not the (Supreme) Law of God.

I can't believe that you really thought I equaled God with Satan. What I said was that Satan creates religions that mimick the peace and goodness of God, but deny God and Christ as a means of salvation. That means you try to live a moral life by your own efforts but according to Jesus end up in Hell, because you never wanted to acknowledge God as whom He is and in His terms. He makes all the effort, dies in a cross for you and you snob him. You say that the things He said are not exactly what he said, you refuse to follow his simple command to trust and obey. What else can anyone in this position want more from God ? Heaven it is not.
I do trust and I do obey.

About Jesus going to Egypt as a baby...come on, what a low punch. You said he went to Egypt to learn magic as many new age books say without any proof, and in clear contradiction of everything that Jesus said. Of course you meant as an adult. Don't try to be a wise guy. People are intelligent in the forum and they get it.
There's lots of "proof" for Jesus going to Egypt to get priestly training. One proof is in Hebrews 5-7, which documents that Jesus was ordained into the Priesthood of Melchizedek (which was only active in Egypt at the time of Jesus).

Another proof is that the teachings of Jesus are nearly identical to those of Plato, and Plato too (we know for a *historical fact*) was trained (philosophically and religiously) in Egypt. I suppose another explanation for the similarity between Plato and Jesus could be that Palestine had become deeply Hellenized by the time of Christ, and so perhaps Christ and the Apostles had picked up on a few of those memes, but realistically it's probably safe to assume that Jesus and Plato both got their teachings from the same *source*, and that source would have to have been Egypt (there's no other place on Earth where Plato and Jesus had in common).

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