The first link won't work anymore, I changed the name of the room to AfterTheCollapse, what I wanted it named in the first place, but since I'm new to yahoo groups evidently I entered the name in the wrong box, the new link is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AfterTheCollapse/
Now I'm not trying to build a big forum site, I figured it was the easiest way to have a chat room, and that's it's main purpose.
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