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Old 02-08-2005, 05:34 AM
Ahmad Ahmad is offline
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Default Re: Aliens are in fact Demons

Peace Vlad,

I have some remarks on the article you quoted, which i find more mysterious than the idea of "trinity" itself.

1- "For Western religion has always felt keenly the idea "it is not well for man to be alone." "

Indeed man cannot survive alone because he is imperfect, meaning he is totally dependent on his creator. But this can't apply to the Creator Himself, because He is self sufficient.

1- "The complex God of the Athanasian Creed may be an enigma for the intellect; but He is far less likely to gather the mystery and cruelty of a Sultan than the lonely god of Omar or Mahomet."

Well, that's a very broad claim without giving any intellectual proof to back it!. why would the lonely god of Mahmot be cruel?

2- "the image of a council at which mercy pleads as well as justice"

Why would God who is the only perfect self sufficient being be in need for consultation? and with whom? the idea of a council entails different entities with different opinions who after due consultation reach a unanimous decision. This very idea needs a group of gods, not one god!. so the author clearly means more than one god negotiating with each other before judging. Now if that's true and there are more than one god, which one of them did create us, the human beings? and if everyone of them created some of us, how would you explain the unity and perfect harmony of the creation?. Wouldn't they eventually separate, each with his own creation? why this never happened?

[17:42] Say, "If there were any other gods beside Him, as they claim, they would have tried to overthrow the Possessor of the throne."

[17:43] Be He glorified, He is much too exalted, far above their utterances.

[17:44] Glorifying Him are the seven universes, the earth, and everyone in them. There is nothing that does not glorify Him, but you do not understand their glorification. He is Clement, Forgiver.

3- "If this love of a living complexity be our test, it is certainly healthier to have the Trinitarian religion than the Unitarian."

Why would anyone love a complex, inunderstandable idea? and what kind of security would be gained from such vagueness?. The author keeps praising the mystery and benefits of trinitarian religion, yet never backs it with any intellectual argument! why?. Do youthink God would create us without the means to decipher the truth? if our minds are not capable of reaching the truth, why did God create them anyway?. "Mystery" and the love of it is the easy way out from confronting our dillemmas.

4- "even if I were theologian enough to deal with it directly, it would not be relevant to do so here."

At least he is truthful for once, he admits that he CAN NOT explain the very idea he praises! why then does he expect anybody to believe it?

5- "Suffice it to say here that this triple enigma is as comforting as wine and open as an English fireside; that this thing that bewilders the intellect utterly quiets the heart: but out of the desert, from the dry places and the dreadful suns, come the cruel children of the lonely God; the real Unitarians who with scimitar in hand have laid waste the world. For it is not well for God to be alone.

I can't imagine such a vague argument to be sufficient for anyone, except those who AVOID the truth. As for the truthseekers, they can't extinguish the burning thirst in their hearts with such an ambiguity. Indeed, wine is the perfect distraction for those who avoid the truth, what a relief, it is the same as escaping to the fantasy world of video games, porno and the movies. A real human being would CONFRONT his worst mysteries, before they confront him when it's too late.
How wonderful to relate the trinitarian dogma with a vague realm of no right and wrong, and the unitarian one with a sword which blade separates the truth from falsehood, it is indeed true. And it is also true that the author has revealed his real conviction at the end, that man is god.

"it is not well for man to be alone."
"For it is not well for God to be alone."

[7:172] Recall that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam, and had them bear witness for themselves: "Am I not your Lord?" They all said, "Yes. We bear witness." Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were not aware of this."

[7:173] Nor can you say, "It was our parents who practiced idolatry, and we simply followed in their footsteps. Will You punish us because of what others have innovated?"

[7:174] We thus explain the revelations, to enable the people to redeem themselves.


[4:171] O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. You shall not say, "Trinity." You shall refrain from this for your own good. GOD is only one god. Be He glorified; He is much too glorious to have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. GOD suffices as Lord and Master.
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