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Old 02-13-2005, 11:53 AM
Ahmad Ahmad is offline
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Default Re: Why Islam Will Go Down When Babylon Falls

Peace,

Eventhough i don't follow the "Islam" you all know, i should clarify the misconceptions about Quran because it is the final testament of the religion of Abraham Submission.

So let's take it point by point,

1- "Who but God could create a child in the womb of Mary?!"

Indeed, none but God could create a child in the womb of Mary.

2- "Who would that child be if not the offspring--in this case, the Son--of its creator??"

The author here jumps to a conclusion of his own. A child being "created" in a womb of a woman doesn't automatically imply that it's "the offspring" of that "creator". If we follow backwardly the author's logic, we should consider the human "husband/father" the "creator" of his son!. God created the elephant in the mother elephant's womb, is God the father of the elephant?

3- "This makes no sense because there is no claim that Adam was born of woman as the Koran says Jesus was."

Now what difference would it make if the man in question is born of a woman or not? God is Capable of everything, He just says "be" and it is.

Quran[3:59] The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.

[3:60] This is the truth from your Lord; do not harbor any doubts.

By the way "Allah" means "God" in Arabic, and it is not a proper name. It is the same god of all religions.

4- "How then can this same virgin born Jesus be a prophet of Allah (God), and not be his son as Jesus repeatedly said he was in the Bible...without being a liar?"


Jesus was not a liar, he was an honourable messenger from God. The liars are the ones who injected or twisted the meanings to come up with "the son of God" ideology, which is nothing but "idolatery" disguised.

Jesus would never have said that he is the physical son of God. At least if he said it, he would have meant the spirtual connection as in:

[Romans 8:14] All who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.


5-"The entire credibility of the Koran and Islam rests on all-out commitment to believing in Muhammad--an illiterate man who had fits and revelations from Satan and believed that he was demon possessed."

Muhammad was not illiterate, in Quran God points that the final testament was "dictated" on Muhammad and that he wrote it with his own hands. As for the posession by Satan, these are lies propagated by the Hadith books that Satan fabricated to subvert the message from within.

6-"He had 11 wives (one 9 years old) and claimed to have been married to Mary the mother of Jesus and Moses’ sister Miriam and Pharoah’s wife on his flight into the seven heavens.Muhammad was a superstitous man who recommended drinking camel urine for good health, and putting the right shoe on first and taking the left shoe off first. He also advocated dipping a housefly that might have gotten into one’s drink because one wing was diseased and the other held the cure"

All these are lies aimed to discredit Muhammad and assail his personality instead of debating the message itself. These lies can be found in the Satanic "Hadith" books (the equivelant of the Jewsih satanic Talmoud) which the majority of Muslims follow instead of Quran.

7-"How credible is such a man with when he is put alongside six hundred years of support for the New Testament claims of Jesus’ Sonship from Jesus Himself, His Apostles, hundreds of contemporary witnesses and thousands of copiers of that sacred text"

excerpt from appendix 22 "the authorized english translation of Quran by Rashad Khalifa":

The Quran, informs us that Jesus was a human messenger of God whose sole mission was to deliver God's message; he never possessed any power, and is now dead (4:171, 5:75, 117).
Those who consider Jesus to be God, or Son of God, or part of a trinity are "pagans" (5:17, 72, 73). Outstanding Christian scholars have reached these same conclusions (THE MYTH OF GOD INCARNATE, John Hick, ed., The Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1977 & THE MYTH MAKER, Hyam Maccoby,Harper & Row 1986). Christianity is the product of Nicene (AD 325).


8-"For example, Muhammad or somebody just changed Abraham’s son of promise from being Isaac to Ishmael, and then asserted that the parts of the New Testament Gospel that wouldn’t fit with that change had been corrupted and the Koran was telling it like it is. Confusing, yes; but not very persuasive when you think about it.
The Bible makes the point that Satan, not God, is the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33). Draw your own conclusions."

Well, as for the bible it is not proven (around 90% is truth though), Quran being the final testament that confirms and supersedes the previous scriptures have a built in physical proof of authenticity, The Miracle of 19. Which is more than enough to convince those who harbor doubts about it.

9-"The Koran teaches that females are possessions and that their primary assignment in marriage and in Allah’s paradise is to service men sexually"

Nowhere in Quran can we find such utter lies! why doesn't the author mention his sources, which i have no doubt are the satanic books of "Hadith".

Quran on the contrary says that men and women are allies of each other, with different roles but equal in rights and rewards,

[9:71] The believing men and women are allies of one another. They advocate righteousness and forbid evil, they observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and they obey GOD and His messenger. These will be showered by GOD's mercy. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

[9:72] GOD promises the believing men and the believing women gardens with flowing streams, wherein they abide forever, and magnificent mansions in the gardens of Eden. And GOD's blessings and approval are even greater. This is the greatest triumph.

10-"The Moslem leaders who fostered their century’s of Jihad were true to their holy book. Which holy book is really "holy"; and which God is really "holy"? "

The alleged "Jihad" in the sense of holy war is totally against Quran. The books of "Hadith" developed by Satan introduced this vicious idea to the religion.

See this for an example of a satanic Jihad Hadith:
Nick Berg.

Where as in Quran, God warns against agression, and repeatedly stresses that war is allowed only in case of self defense or to wage off oppression.

[5:32] Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing.

No compulsion in religion:

[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.


11-"Finally, Allah is to be feared and worshipped obediently, frequently, and ritually with little or no personal interaction from his dutiful subjects given or required"


All the forms of worship are aimed at enhancing this personal contact with God. The very word of prayer in Quran is "AlSalaa" which means "the contact-prayer".

God is to be revrenced and loved, not to be feared in the negative sense. God promises those who love Him the most, those who don't associate partners with Him (e.g: Jesus, Muhammad or the saints) forgivness and perfect happiness now and forever.

[5:9] GOD promises those who believe and lead a righteous life forgiveness and a great recompense.

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I just wish that whoever wants to post an article attacking Quran (attack Islam as you wish though!) to choose articles that mention the Quranic sources.


Ahmad


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Mary

[19:16] Mention in the scripture Mary. She isolated herself from her family, into an eastern location.

[19:17] While a barrier separated her from them, we sent to her our Spirit. He went to her in the form of a human being.

[19:18] She said, "I seek refuge in the Most Gracious, that you may be righteous."

[19:19] He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son."

[19:20] She said, "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me; I have never been unchaste."

[19:21] He said, "Thus said your Lord, `It is easy for Me. We will render him a sign for the people, and mercy from us. This is a predestined matter.' "

The Birth of Jesus

[19:22] When she bore him, she isolated herself to a faraway place.

[19:23] The birth process came to her by the trunk of a palm tree. She said, "(I am so ashamed I wish I were dead before this happened, and completely forgotten."

[19:24] (The infant) called her from beneath her, saying, "Do not grieve. Your Lord has provided you with a stream.

[19:25] "If you shake the trunk of this palm tree, it will drop ripe dates for you.*
Footnote

[19:26] "Eat and drink, and be happy. When you see anyone, say, `I have made a vow of silence; I am not talking today to anyone.' "

[19:27] She came to her family, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have committed something that is totally unexpected.

[19:28] "O descendant of Aaron, your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother unchaste."

The Infant Makes a Statement

[19:29] She pointed to him. They said, "How can we talk with an infant in the crib?"

[19:30] (The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet.

[19:31] "He made me blessed wherever I go, and enjoined me to observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat) for as long as I live.

[19:32] "I am to honor my mother; He did not make me a disobedient rebel.

[19:33] And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."

The Proven Truth

[19:34] That was Jesus, the son of Mary, and this is the truth of this matter, about which they continue to doubt.

[19:35] It does not befit GOD that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is.

[19:36] He also proclaimed, "GOD is my Lord and your Lord; you shall worship Him alone. This is the right path."*
Footnote

[19:37] The various parties disputed among themselves (regarding the identity of Jesus). Therefore, woe to those who disbelieve from the sight of a terrible day.

[19:38] Wait till you hear them and see them when they come to face us. The transgressors on that day will be totally lost.

[19:39] Warn them about the day of remorse, when judgment will be issued. They are totally oblivious; they do not believe.

[19:40] We are the ones who inherit the earth and everyone on it; to us everyone will be returned.


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Gross Blasphemy

[19:88] They said, "The Most Gracious has begotten a son"!

[19:89] You have uttered a gross blasphemy.

[19:90] The heavens are about to shatter, the earth is about to tear asunder, and the mountains are about to crumble.

[19:91] Because they claim that the Most Gracious has begotten a son.

[19:92] It is not befitting the Most Gracious that He should beget a son.

[19:93] Every single one in the heavens and the earth is a servant of the Most Gracious.

[19:94] He has encompassed them, and has counted them one by one.

[19:95] All of them will come before Him on the Day of Resurrection as individuals.

[19:96] Surely, those who believe and lead a righteous life, the Most Gracious will shower them with love.

[19:97] We thus made this (Quran) elucidated in your tongue, in order to deliver good news to the righteous, and to warn with it the opponents.

[19:98] Many a generation before them we annihilated; can you perceive any of them, or hear from them any sound?
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