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Old 11-13-2009, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: What's Happening To America ?

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OK, it took me a few minutes to stop laughing. Sorry. Who would have thought we would agree on something?
Well, I am called "Out of the Box", right? My views don't fit into the traditional left-right spectrum, so it was only a matter of time before we found a view we shared

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If something is going to be given out for "free" (at least free to the recipient), then there is no motivation for them to do anything but stay on the dole. If the government is going to just hand it out, hells yeah I am going to just do that. There is a free-market alternative to government wealth redistribution, but I am curious to see if you can reason out what it is?
Libertarians seem to believe that laissez-faire capitalism will eventually lead to fair wages and solidarity as too no one would want to work for a company paying too little and a too broad underclass wouldn't provide enough consumers to actually buy their products, but the example of 19th century Western-Europe (which was pretty close to laissez-faire capitalism) shows the exact oposite. Unions and unemployment benefits were created precisely because Dickensian Europe allowed a tiny upper class to exploit a huge underclass (with little to no middle class). A re-establishment of laissez-faire capitalism in the future is likely to repeat this.

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And I will agree that liberal political correctness has run amok in this country, but I dont think that it has quite the far reaching ramifications here that you think it does.
I encourage you read The Diversity Myth (the book I'm currently reading). It explains how the level of education at Stanford dropped significantly precisely due to a radical left agenda of multi-culturalism from 1986 onwards (of course, besides ruining the curriculum it also brainwashed entire generations of students). Although none of the other universities deteriorated at the same rate, the process also happened at other universities.

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I am a very non-PC, individualist, conservative, and I hardly hide my views, nor feel the need to.
I'm a very non-PC, semi-collectivist, paleo-conservative and I must hide many of my views everywhere besides among my inner circle of friends.

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The fact that political correctness has not become so ingrained in the US is probably due to the accepted practice of individualism. If things have gotten that bad over there, maybe it is because of the continental European lack of spine.
You mean the tendency of the European masses to accept totalitarianism in return for a social security system. I'm sure this plays along, however that doesn't change the fact that political correctness and multiculturalism were imported from the US.

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As for the neo-imperialism shot....I dont seem to remember there being any bases in the Benelux.
First of all, neo-imperialism is economic and not military.

Second, we do have US bases in my country

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That's ok though, when all of the Muslim immigrants rise up and kill you all, and under Sharia law no less, you wont have to worry about such things, lol.
I hope my countrymen will wake up before that can happen....
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