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Old 11-23-2009, 03:32 AM
JazzRoc JazzRoc is offline
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Default Re: Contrails cannot form into clouds (proof!)

Heads-up, boys and girls: it's time to start thinking again...

Stompk has proposed that contrails cannot turn into clouds.

I have produced evidence (PROOF) that they CAN and they DO, with photographs, LIDAR readings, calculations and predictions. Made by a TEAM of scientists. I have a list of a further 153 scientific papers with Minnis (the "shill") on different teams. But there's NO reason to suppose that I cannot find more.

Were the three of you (now) scientists ( ), this would be OVER, finished, a done deal. Whatever else remained of your "chemtrail theory", the proposition that contrails cannot turn into clouds COULDN'T remain part of it.

Scientists MOVE ON. That's why you live in the relatively comfortable and safe world you have.

People with belief systems CANNOT move on, for they CANNOT discard false ideas. For instance, a Creationist "science book" may ask you to look at Nature (which is great), but it can only accept and incorporate everything already discovered by scientific research, which it wouldn't itself have conducted, and point to GAPS in as-yet-undiscovered knowledge with the words "God did it". Not only that, but it is COMPLETELY unable to formulate new theories and test them with experiments. A few hundred years ago, conducting science might cause you to watch your entrails burning in the fire that consumed you. Ask Giordano Bruno when you get to Hell.

The problem with chemtrail theory is that you start with the theory, and then pick and choose facts, and narrowly interpret information in a way that fits the theory. The problem is that you can do that for ANY theory. Just constantly refine your interpretation so it is always correct.

Real science does not work like that. It starts with the facts, and then considers all possible explanations, and narrows in on the theory that fits the facts, rather than picking and adjusting the facts that fit the theory.

You appear to be unable to deal with the debunking. It doesn't surprise me. What DOES surprise me a little, Blue Angel, is you appear to concur with this CHANGE IN THREAD TOPIC. I was under the impression you were the moderator here. Aren't you? Who is?

So, to the NEW TOPIC, then.

Originally Posted by TrutherD
This does nothing to explain segmented trails, trails starting and stopping
WRONG. We have covered this in the paper. You just couldn't see the wood for the trees.

To simplify this I'll give you a SIMPLE ANALOGY.

Modern turbofans are EXQUISITE pieces of machinery, easily on a par with the finest modern aircraft airframes, or intricate Martian Rovers, the Hubble Telescope, and leading microchips. Their performance is perfectly consistent, and they run using a carefully selected fuel chosen for its low flash point and filtered so that NO solids are present to erode the FURNACES which are their combustion chambers, and the densely-packed exhaust turbine sets which drives their fans and compressor turbines. They run, as they say, "like watches".

Running, as they do, perfectly smoothly, and unaffected by variable rain/water vapor entry (except to increase their thrust a little when a fine water mist enters them), they act like a SCANNER/PRINTER. They SCAN the entry air and PRINT OUT its humidity. Dry air -> no trail at all. Slightly wetter air -> short trail. Wetter air still -> longer trail still. Saturated air -> thin, but persistent trail. Supersaturated air -> persistent trail progressively increasing over time until it falls out of the supersaturated stratospheric layer.

X patterns, grids, close parallel lines, etc. etc. as seen in hundreds of thousands of videos around the web.

On any given day, more than 87,000 flights are in the skies in the United States. Only one-third are commercial carriers, like American, United or Southwest. On an average day, air traffic controllers handle 28,537 commercial flights (major and regional airlines), 27,178 general aviation flights (private planes), 24,548 air taxi flights (planes for hire), 5,260 military flights and 2,148 air cargo flights (Federal Express, UPS, etc.). At any given moment, roughly 5,000 planes are in the skies above the United States. In one year, controllers handle an average of 64 million takeoffs and landings.

Now YOU tell me HOW the above CANNOT produce "X patterns, grids, close parallel lines, etc. etc. as seen in hundreds of thousands of videos around the web".


ALL aircraft, civil or military, are subject to FLIGHT RULES and AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. They are directed along CORRIDORS and strictly held to MAINTAINED ALTITUDES. Except for small, low-range, LOCAL air traffic, all planes fly in the stratosphere between around 28,000 feet and 39,000 feet.

Long-range aircraft deviating from this are either in serious trouble, or BREAKING FLIGHT RULES. In either case, the local airport radar will pick it up, there is some state of EMERGENCY, and some risk of COLLISION. The aircraft will have descended into UNCONTROLLED FLIGHT SPACE, be subject to VISUAL FLIGHT RULES, and may accidentally meet light aircraft which may NOT be fitted with FLIGHT TRANSPONDERS which show up on Air Traffic Control screens.

ANY "chemtrailer" claim that trails were being made at LOW ALTITUDE is HIGHLY SUSPECT. Alarm bells would be ringing like crazy in every local airport AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL center.

The truth of it is that the trail, having been made between six and eight miles up, may fall up to TWO MILES vertically downwards (unless sheared by layer crosswinds) before it evaporates. In that time it can grow to several miles WIDE. This will give the ILLUSION of being LOW DOWN.

Originally Posted by Blue Angel
They have completely cleared up any unresolved questions I've had as to whether or not chemtrails are harmful or not.
It shouldn't have done.

It SHOULD, however, have cleared up the question as to whether contrails turned into clouds or not.

And it seems to have answered the question as to whether you can moderate or not.

Last edited by JazzRoc : 11-23-2009 at 04:02 AM.
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