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Old 07-18-2014, 08:48 AM
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 Crash: What We Know

By Bill Chappell

July 18, 2014*5:46 AM ET

One day after the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine, investigators are working to learn more about the crash — and who might be responsible. The passenger jet had nearly 300 people on board; none survived.

The plane had not sent a distress signal. It reportedly came apart at a cruising altitude of 33,000 feet, with its wreckage landing in territory held by pro-Russian insurgents who have been fighting the central government in Kiev.

The flight plan filed by the plane's pilots had requested an altitude of 35,000 feet during their passage over Ukraine, but air traffic control in Ukraine instructed them to fly at 33,000 feet,*Malaysia Airlines says.
President Obama will discuss the situation in Ukraine in a White House event that's scheduled to begin at 11:30 a.m. ET. We'll update this post as necessary.

The Investigation

U.S. intelligence experts suspect a surface-to-air missile hit the airliner, a Boeing 777.

"They have not determined where the missile was fired from," NPR's Jackie Northam reports for*Morning Edition. "What complicates the issue is that this type of missile, known in Russian as Buk, is mobile — it's meant to move around a battlefield. That makes it more difficult to determine the point of origin. Ukraine and Russia have this type of missile system, and there's speculation that the rebels also possess it, as well."

As they try to piece together how Flight MH17 was brought down, U.S. experts are analyzing a recording*released by Ukraine's governmentthat it says is a string of intercepted phone calls in which separatist rebels acknowledge that they shot down the airliner.

As NPR's Dina Temple-Raston reports, U.S. intelligence has not yet publicly authenticated the recording.

"Privately, U.S. officials say they suspect separatist rebels were behind the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17," Dina reports.The tape includes a man stating, "We have just shot down a plane," and then referring to the area of the crash. Ukraine's transcription shows confusion over whether the plane in question was a military or civilian craft.

"U.S. officials say they are still analyzing the audio," Dina reports. "They are also using algorithms and mathematics to pinpoint where the missile was fired from.

"The separatists say they've recovered the black boxes from the plane's wreckage, according to multiple news reports. Some reports have stated that the flight recorders might be sent to Russia, but Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says Moscow has "no plans to seize the flight recorders," according to state-owned*news agency RT.

Reporter Noah Sneider is in the Donetsk region; he says he has seen separatists near the wreckage.

"They have taken control of the crash site, because they're in control of this region," Sneider tells NPR's Newscast unit. "The Ukrainian forces have a position not too far from here, but for the most part, this stretch of road is controlled by the rebels.

"They were the first ones on the scene," he adds, "and they're the ones who are now guarding the entrances to it."

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Kiev deployed powerful anti-air systems to E. Ukraine ahead of the Malaysian plane crash

Published time: July 17, 2014 18:35*Edited time: July 18, 2014 01:20Ge

The Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed, Russian Defense Ministry said.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry information, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine located in the crash-site are equipped with anti-aircraft missile systems of "Buk-M1” ... These complexes in their tactical and technical characteristics are capable of detecting air targets at ranges of up to 160 kilometers and hit them at full altitude range at a distance of over 30 kilometers,”*the ministry’s statement reads as cited by Ria.

Earlier, Itar-Tass and Interfax news agencies were citing a source familiar with the issue, who said that another battery of Buk systems is currently being prepared for shipment to Donetsk region from the Ukrainian city of Kharkov.

The Donetsk region remains the scene of heavy fighting between government troops and the forces of the opposition, which refused to recognize the regime change in Kiev and demand federalization.

A Malaysian Airlines aircraft en route from Amsterdam to Malaysia crashed in Eastern Ukraine – not far from the Russian border – on Thursday.

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Not known where the order to shoot down the plane originated from

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Russian radars record active operation of Ukrainian air defense

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Does this look like a weapon system Russia would allow "Separatist Militants" to use?

Russia has more advanced missle defence systems, Ukraine has alot of these. Ukraine downed the plane (false flag) to blame the separatist, in order to sway public opinion against Russia. The NWO media will blame Russia no matter what evidence is recovered.

Also, would'nt a missle defence weapon like this have radar to show what type of aircraft your targetting?

If it turns out Russia did indeed give this system to 'rebel separatist', then they truly are stupid. But wait, what about all of those sophisticated TRILLION DOLLAR (10,000 Strong)SPY/MILITARY SATELLITES circling the earth, I'm sure Uncle Sam will share the "untouched data"???

The Soviet-built BUK surface-to-air missile launcher believed to have brought down Malaysian Airline flight MH17 at 33,000ft

The BUK, developed by the Soviet Union in 1979, has remained widely in use throughout the former Soviet states, including Ukraine.

Until then it was assumed the only surface-to-air missiles in rebel hands were shoulder-held launchers with a maximum engagement range of 10,000 feet.

In a statement Donetsk separatist leader Andrei Purgin said that he was certain that Ukrainian troops had shot it down but gave no explanation for that statement.

Purgin said he was not aware of whether rebel forces owned BUK missile launchers, but even if they did, there had no fighters capable of operating it.*
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Malaysian 777 Shot Down Over Ukraine Updated

From Jeffrey Silverman, VT Bureau Chief Tbilisi

3) As to the “Buk”: in theory, for the system’s successful work, a minimum of 4 out of 5 vehicles within the complex is necessary: the commandment car, the target locator car, the targeting car and the firing point with the missiles.* One can do without the charging car, which transports additional missiles, in case the missiles have been set up on the firing point in advance.* 15-17 highly-qualified military specialists are needed to service these military specialists.

4) The principle of action of “Buk” air-defence system: – under close supervision of the commander, the locator determines the target and the coordinates; – the operator of the firing system launches the missile in the given direction; – the targeting car lights up the target with radio waves; – this reflected signal is captured by the self-targeting system of the missiles and its computer corrects the course; – the missile explodes several metres before reaching the plane, sending metal rods flying everywhere that damage the fuselage, the engines, the electric system etc.

5) “Buk’s” range is 40-50 kilometres horizontally and 20-25 vertically. It is a general military weapon (covers the soldiers from air attack directly on the battlefield), and not an air-defence forces weapon.

6) The air-defence system’s locators show three kinds of targets (as radio signals):* – missile (one leading engine); – destroyer, storm jet or a similar small military jet (the turbine of the engine creates a recognisable radio signal); – strategic bombarder or transportation jet (a big plane with many engines). The latter category could include a passenger vessel, as the radio image is identical.

7) If it is a “Buk,” then:* – it could have come from Russian territory. The caterpillar track can take the vehicles even through fields; – it could have been part of the captured Ukrainian Armed Forces division (if they indeed had all the parts of the complex). However military specialists for such accordant work were clearly imported, the reserve army is insufficient in this case; – it could have even worked from Russian territory, somewhere around Kuybyshevo. However, the Boeing was moving with its cruising speed (about 900 km/hr) and during the fall its parts continued falling to the east because of inertia.

8) This could have been not a “Buk,” but a different air-defence system.

9) Additional materials regarding “Buk” –*


FINAL – Part I: Emerging Evidence Points to #MH17 Being a Ukrainian False Flag


This is what/where Putin was doing before the incident.

According to this report, Putin was in flight*during his call*to Obamareturning to Moscow*aboard hispresidential aircraft*from*Brazil*when he was notified that there were a number of*“critical radar anomalies”occurring over*EUROCONTROL*zones inCentral Europe.


Putin putting together a New Fair and Just Economic Order. BRICS


July 20th, 2014 Update

UK seeks more punishment to Russia despite
NO INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION WHAT-SO EVER HAVING BEEN STARTED.NOTE-(seems the true Criminals don't want a honest investigation???)

13:33 GMT:Britain will on Tuesday seek to persuade other European leaders to impose further sanctions on Russia over the downing of a Malaysian jet carrying 298 passengers, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said on Sunday.“We will ... seek to get our European partners to agree to go further in terms of sanctions if Russia hasn't radically changed its position by then,” Hammond told the BBC ahead of a meeting of the European Union’s Foreign Affairs Council on Tuesday. (Reuters)

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