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Old 05-05-2006, 09:53 AM
Arjuna Arjuna is offline
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Sarcasm motivated By Ignorance Arjuna? You also don't offer any EVIDENCE that crop circles are Beneficial or Benign do you? Your Knowledge of mathematics is ADMIRABLE Arjuna, however having a vast knowledge bank of Mathematics in your mind does'nt make you smart, if your relying on Mathematics to get you through life, then good luck to you, I think the most INTELLIGENT people on this Earth are the people who live basic honest clean lives as best they can, and whatever your DISENCHANTED views of the Bible are does'nt concern me, you show Ignorance by not COMPREHENDING the greatest MATHEMATICAL BOOK ever Created...THE BIBLE...I'm sure you have no clue what I'm talking about. I'll fill you in later on that subject.
You said crop circles are evil, which I view as unreasonable since you provide no evidence to support such a view. Based on a lack of evidence that crop circles are evil, and the presence of evidence that they encode high level mathematical knowledge, I hold a more reasonable view that they are likely benign or beneficial.

You said, “if your relying on Mathematics to get you through life, then good luck to you.” That statement reveals the depth of your ignorance. Go ahead, make a list of all the things you rely on to get through life. Study the list carefully. Notice that almost everything on the list was created with mathematics. Perhaps you did not realize that the things you rely on were created by engineers. And by the way, all engineering would be impossible without mathematics. So, if you want to get through life without mathematics, I suggest you go live in a cave (Don’t take any clothes with you when you leave, since all the clothes you own were made with mathematics. And don't drive your car to the cave; you must walk there!).

As for my “not COMPREHENDING the greatest MATHEMATICAL BOOK ever Created...THE BIBLE”, I must agree with you that I do not know what you are talking about. The Bible has very little mathematical content, and what little it does contain demonstrates some blatant errors.

I view this line of discussion as very important for this forum. The primary modus operandi of the Illuminists is to keep the sheeple ignorant and confused. Accomplishing this through religion is the oldest play in the book. By influencing you to think in an irrational way, it is much easier for them to manipulate you to serve them. I wasn’t kidding when I encouraged you to study geometry. Studying geometry is an excellent method for increasing your ability to think rationally. If the purpose of crop circles is to encourage humans to study geometry, then they are certainly beneficial.

This website offers some information about mathematics in the Bible:

Mathematical Errors in the Bible

The Value of Pi

Our first example concerns the value of π (pronounced as “Pie”, normally spelled as Pi). π is the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter. It is an irrational number whose value is represented by an infinite sequence of numbers of which the first six numbers are 3.14159. What does the Bible say about the value of π?

I Kings 7:23-26 (II Chronicles 4:2-5)
"23Then he made the molten sea; it was round, ten cubits from brim to brim, and five cubits high. A line of thirty cubits would encircle it completely. 24Under its brim were panels all around it, each of ten cubits, surrounding the sea; there were two rows of panels, cast when it was cast. 25It stood on twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east; the sea was set on them. The hindquarters of each were towards the inside. 26It's thickness was a handbreadth; its brim was made like the brim of a cup, like the flower of a lily; it held two thousand baths."

It is quite obvious that the passage above (verse 23) was talking about the dimensions on the top of the molten sea. Since the diameter is 10 cubits ("10 cubits from brim to brim") and its circumference is 30 cubits ("A line of thirty cubits would encircle it completely"), the value of π as defined by the passage above is 30/10 or exactly 3! This value is of course wrong and any mathematical calculation that uses 3 as π will produce gravely erroneous results. Obviously 3.0 compared to 3.14159... is gravely inaccurate.

Here is another nail in the coffin of biblical inerrancy-it got one of the most basic ratios of mathematics (and nature) wrong.

Of course fundamentalists and evangelicals hardly ever take anything lying down! They have attempted (and are continuing to attempt) many explanations to avoid this very obvious error. We will look at two main (mutually contradictory!) apologetic strategies to explain away this error. Basically they involve asserting that the ratio in I Kings 7:23-26 is either: A Good Enough Representation of π or an Extremely Accurate Representation of π

(the text goes on to explain why both of the arguments are untrue)

Mistakes in Sums

From the value of π we now move one notch down the level of mathematical sophistication. We realize that some authors of the Bible can’t even do simple sums. Here is one taken from Numbers Chapter 3. Here the male members more than one month old of the three clans of Levi, namely Gershon, Kohath and Merari were counted, this is how the figures came out:

Numbers 3: 21 The clan of Gershon 7,500
Numbers 3:27-28 The clan of Kohath 8,600
Numbers 3:33-34 The clan of Merari 6,200

Total 22,300

However Numbers 3: 39 gives the total as 22,000! Thus we have a discrepancy of 300 people. It is pointless to argue that the author was simply “rounding off” the total. Why then, did he not round up the original numbers? It is more likely that the author of Numbers simply got his sums wrong!

There is another summation error, this time big enough to give even the “round off” apologetic explanation a “headache” (in trying to come up with an explanation!). The passage Ezra 1:7-11 concerns the articles from the Temple which were returned to the Jews. It was mentioned, in Ezra 7:8, that the chief royal treasury made an inventory and that these are the items returned:

Ezra 1:9-10
gold basins 30
silver basins 1,000
silver pans 29
small gold bowls 30
small silver bowls 410
other vessels 1,000

Total 2,499

The total of articles returned were 2,499. Yet at the very next verse the total is given as:

Ezra 1:11
"all the vessels of gold and of silver were five thousand four hundred and sixty nine."

Note that Ezra 1:10 does not allow other unlisted items to be assumed since the last portion already mentioned “other vessels” or other articles. Obviously a discrepancy of 2,970 exist between the given total of 5,469 and the actual total of 2,499.

(followed by another good example of summation errors)

Mistakes in Counting

We now move on to the lowest notch of arithmetic ability: that of counting. We will see that even in this, the Bible contains errors![11]

I Chronicles 3:22
"The sons of Shemaiah: Huttush, Igal, Bariah, Neriah, and Shaphat, six."

Note that there were five sons listed, yet the Chronicler counted six! We find similar errors in I Chronicles 25:3, where five names were also given and again the chronicler counted six. (One begins to wander if this is a learning disorder of the chronicler). Again in I Chronicles 3: 19-20 where eight names were given and he counted five! Chronicles is not the only author who can't count, we see the same problem in the book of Joshua:

Joshua 15:33-36
"And in the lowland, Eshtaol, Zorah, Ashnah, Zanoah, Engannim, Tappuah, Enam, Jarmuth, Adullam, Socoh, Azekah, Shaaraim, Adithaim, Gederah, Gederothaim: fourteen cities with their villages."

Anyone who can count will see that there are fifteen cities listed above, not fourteen. Again in Joshua 15:21-32 there were thirty-six cities actually listed but the author only counted twenty-nine! Also in Joshua 19:2-6 we have fourteen cities listed but the author said there was only thirteen.

So we have seen that some of the authors of the Bible didn’t know the value of π, some didn’t know how to do simple sums and some couldn’t even count correctly! How are we to define a book as inerrant when its authors lack even these simple skills?
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