Hello Everybody

[falcon]

Hey I guess some people have to resist the NWO as Makow says. I am a college student in California so savethemales keeps me in the know while I receive my mainstream education.

[roon]

Hi,
How do your friends feel about what is going on? I'm an old guy up in Montreal Canada. I try to defend americans to all my chat friends around the world. I lived in California once for eight years. I can not believe that there is any general consensus for Bush doctrine, despite what media may say, and that you are already in a de facto police state. Do you actually know anyone who supports Bush?

[falcon]

I just recently went to Montreal in September, have family there. My cousins were making fun of America and I couldn't blame them. It is no use defending Americans, we are pretty much an imperialistic empire. At school, the general consensus is against Bush, however, the students/faculty actually think they can make a difference by voting. At my campus there were so many get out the vote garbage campaigns. The political biases really depend on the schools. Some schools are notoriously liberal, UC Berkeley and UCLA, while others are conservative, USC. The differences lay in the funding. The liberal schools tend to be public while the conservative schools are private (but there are exceptions to this rule, most Ivy league schools are both private and liberal). Now, outside academia most Americans don't know Iraq from Afghanistan on the map. They are sheep, and the media preys on them. It is ridiculous, Bush and the media (which is, contrary to popular thought, more conservative than liberal) scare the sheeple into thinking they are at risk of another terrorist attack. That is completely ridiculous, I have been living the same life post 9/11 as I was pre 9/11. For every Bush supporter there is a Kerry supporter, but the key is that they both believe in "democracy."

[Alexandra]

Heh--I think Bush is too liberal! He supports gay civil unions and he's not 100% pro-life. That's why I voted for Peroutka (Constitution Party).

I think Orwell was off by around 20 years....

[GoodKnight]

Bush isn't liberal, he's a madman who cares nothing for human life. Americans need to redefine "liberal".

[Pete]

Liberal vs Conservative is a bogus issue, so is gay marriage. The real issue with gay marriage is why is the government involved with the licensure of marriage in the first place. A license is a permission to do that which you otherwise could not legally do. Don't people (as in a man and a woman) have a right to marry? The state enters in as a fraudulent third party for the purpose of gaining a jurisdiction over the children from a licensed marriage. The marriage license used to be an intermarriage license, as in mixed race marriage. In the 19th century, churches would not sanction such marriages nor was marriage outside of ones race considered a right. But, the whole point of licensure seems to have been forgotten by the Christian church, which has taken a license itself in the form of non profit religious corporation status. The corporation churches refuse to marry people without a state license. Why is it needed? It is NOT needed. People marry in a church in front of witnesses, guest books are signed, the whole thing is videotaped and photographed, etc. Isn't that enough evidence to validate that a marriage took place? In fact, if you ask your local Dept. of Motor Vehicles regarding name change on a driver's license, they WILL accept a church issued certificate of marriage signed by witnesses and the preacher. Once a new driver's license is issued, the socialist slavestate number administration will be happy to use that as evidence of name change to issue a new socialist slavestate ID card. With the new ssn card issued, the IRS has no problem with "married filing jointly" status. So, even the whole bogus system doesn't require the marriage license.

Let the gays have their state issued license, since no legitimate Christian church could perform their ceremony anyways. They do have legitimate issues regarding insurance, standing in court, power of atty., probate court, etc. As for the rest of us, simply boycotting the licensure of marriage would bring the govt. to heel far quicker than any amount of bickering over should they or shouldn't they issue a license to gays.

Pete

[Draken]

Going through threads and topics I haven't had time for before and just generally browsing what's out there, I read this far too late!

Pete wrote:
A license is a permission to do that which you otherwise could not legally do. Don't people (as in a man and a woman) have a right to marry? The state enters in as a fraudulent third party for the purpose of gaining a jurisdiction over the children from a licensed marriage ... the whole point of licensure seems to have been forgotten by the Christian church. / The corporation churches refuse to marry people without a state license. Why is it needed? It is NOT needed. People marry in a church in front of witnesses, guest books are signed, the whole thing is videotaped and photographed, etc. Isn't that enough evidence to validate that a marriage took place? In fact, if you ask your local Dept. of Motor Vehicles regarding name change on a driver's license, they WILL accept a church issued certificate of marriage signed by witnesses and the preacher. Once a new driver's license is issued, the socialist slavestate number administration will be happy to use that as evidence of name change to issue a new socialist slavestate ID card. With the new ssn card issued, the IRS has no problem with "married filing jointly" status. So, even the whole bogus system doesn't require the marriage license.

... simply boycotting the licensure of marriage would bring the govt. to heel far quicker than any amount of bickering over should they or shouldn't they issue a license to gays.

Pete

Pete, this is the kind of constructive social disobedience I like!
We NEED to do this kind of thing to bring the current status quo down. It may not look like much but I think if you spread the word more people than you think would agree.

I'm sitting here in overtly Socialist, covertly Communist Sweden and I wonder what the laws here say about marriage...

I'll have to look into it - for "future reference"... ;-)

Great points, Pete!

[laywinder]

I too voted for Peroutka. I thought he was the only one running that actually stood for something! Oh well, maybe next time! :lol:

[Ana]

Hi Mary thanks for your reply. I’m sorry to read that you had problems here in England and wish you well for the future. You sound like a good mum from what you’ve said, that’s why you’ve got great kids, good for you :-)

[flipy]

peace to all

All my life I felt like everybody else possessed some mysterious
Handbook For Humans which I lacked...
Ever since I was a teenager I've been bewildered and amazed at
people around me taking everything for granted. All that energy, man!
I knew (always experienced the world intuitively rather than
intellectually) that something was very wrong, the way the sense of magic seemed to flee the planet.

Now I understand (thanks to among others Mr Makow - who btw sometimes throws my wife into fits of rage) that I'd damn well better pay attention to these 'obscure' dissidents way across the seas - in order to understand what's going on right here...where my children are dependant on my choices.

I'm a true anti-ism-ist, and I strongly feel that Krishna-Buddha-Christ-Mohammad-whathaveyou are manifestations of the very same idea & feel. Whether they were real historic characters or not doesn't seem to matter much.

I've given up searching for spiritual answers outside myself.
Maybe one day, when these dark ages are over, science will prove that love & compassion really is what creates gravity and keeps the world together.

Respect to you all from the Snowy North!