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Old 01-27-2005, 06:05 AM
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Default Freemasonry May have been Revolutionary in the U.S or Europe But was Conservative In Australia.


:-? I wanted to know why so many of you on this site think Freemasonry is a subversive ideological movement as well as a creed!
In Australia Freemasons are not fabians communists or revolutionarys or any of these terms many of you like to label them as and never have been.
In Australia for example one would have a high professional standing for example to be doctor or lawyer or even Police officer before they would even be invited to join!.
Futhermore Australia had the British version of the craft that being the York rite masonry.According to what i have been reading recently about freemasonry in Australia.This rite was always conservative even from its beginings in England 1717. It was also very pro Monarchy and conservative rather than pro Republican or revolutionary.
As for Freemasonry being revolutionary apprently that is only the modus opprendi of Grand Orient Masonry of which Australia has never had any such rite.
Although i understand the U.S has had lodges since the the War of Independence.
This could help to explain why so many of Nth americans here think it is a subversive organisation for socialism while most Austrlians simply see it as a harmless old fashioned conservative civic organisation with strange rituals.
However Freemasonry is generally viewed by most Australians as not sinister period.
Indeed their is hardly a town or city in Australia that doesnt have a typical usually 1920s vintage Masonic lodge close to its Mainstreet.Our War Memorials for those that served and died WW1 were also designed and built by Masons that is why they generally in the shape of obelisks. Your Global feedback on this would be apprecited.
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Old 01-27-2005, 10:09 AM
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Default Re: Freemasonry May have been Revolutionary in the U.S or Europe But was Conservative In Australia.

I'll agree to disagree, with you Ozzie, on this one.
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Old 01-28-2005, 03:53 AM
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:-o Nice off the cuff remark mary!.Disagree Mary and what are your reasons for disagreement!

Have you ever been downunder! What do you know about the History of Freemasonry in Australia or Australian History in general for that matter!.

I have just been reading book on the subject as it relates to Australian history it is called the "Secret Empire of the Union jack" freemasonry 1890 - 1950 in Australia.
It also tells me how the Freemasons were very much involved in secret militias in the interwar years to combat communism and the Trade Unions generally.
One these groups was quite notorious over here it was called the New Guard under the name of wwi veteran called Eric campbell. It was one these that cut the ribbon on the sydney harbour bridge in 1932 to upstage the NSW preimer a Jack Lang ALP Irish catholic.(a big deal in anglo australia back then.The CEC over here has also revealed that many masons were working hand in glove with the New Guard in the 1930s.

So before you start blurting rubbish mary get your facts straight or atleast attempt to know what you are talking about!. :-o
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Default Re: Freemasonry May have been Revolutionary in the U.S or Europe But was Conservative In Australia.

Are you always so spiteful?
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Old 01-28-2005, 07:11 AM
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:-) Ofcause not! But atleast give me the time of day with out silly remarks!. :-)
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I completely disagree with the secret satanic global society of satan's minions called Freemasonry.

Some know, some don't. Clear enough?
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