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Old 09-22-2005, 11:18 PM
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Default Hi, new here. Have stupid questions. Trust no one.


Hi, I was just wondering about the basic common sense / logic behind having a website devoted to this sort of thing.

Okay, let's say there are all kinds of groups behind the scenes, messing with people, why would they allow this website to operate for very long? Why would people who control others through hypnosis, et al, allow people to group together and form some kind of resistance?

Also, if a website operates for very long, why are people supposed to trust it?

I'm sorry if these questions have already been asked and answered.

Thanks.

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Old 09-22-2005, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: Hi, new here. Have stupid questions. Trust no one.

Nobody in any government agency has the manpower or willpower or budget to go after every single potential loose citizen who "might" be a threat to their hegemony. They only go after the big fish, the people who really threaten them (in tangible ways), and then usually proceed to make very public examples of them so as to terrorize the population into submission. But the fact is that all totalitarians rely more on the image and threat of force, then they actually do on force itself (or in other words, the implied threat of force is ALWAYS wider and broader in scope than the actual PHYSICAL use of force).

Don't believe the lies that the government is monitoring every last piece of communication and spying in on someone, etc.. *perhaps* they do have the technology/equipment to capture every last piece of communication (although even this I highly, highly doubt, just from an economics and cost-of-computing standpoint.. you'd basically have to replicate the entire communications grid off in some secret government basement somewhere and keep it up to date in real-time, which I believe is extremely unlikely), and .. even supposing that they do have such technology, they simply don't have the manpower to sift through it all..

Again, it's more about public show of force and intimidation than anything.. I've been to a number of hacker conferences (e.g., 2600, etc) and invariably they always have some "spook" from NSA or CIA come up and give some presentation -- someone who "pretends" to be on "your side" -- but he's "warning" you about all the "powers" that the government has to spy on you, etc.. The fact is, the files that the government does keep on most Americans are soo out of date (or wildly, wildly inaccurate) as to be laughable, or else (even more often) these spooks are simply flat-out lying to you .. to create the IMAGE that they have more power than they really do and terrify you (if in a "friendly" way) into submission..

Also, never forget this: the number of Washington Insiders who are *truly* connected w/ the Satanic Illuminati, etc, probably does not number more than 1,000 people or so.. that leaves about 250 million of us. The numbers are anything but in their favor. Don't ever forget that..
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Old 09-22-2005, 11:53 PM
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Default Re: Hi, new here. Have stupid questions. Trust no one.

The other obvious point is that half the people on this site (seem to) believe in shape-shifting lizard people..

I highly doubt that the government is going to waste the resources going after people whom it has already successfully brainwashed and misled w/ its own lies and propaganda and disinformation..

Such people are not a threat to ANYBODY other than themselves..
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Old 09-23-2005, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: Hi, new here. Have stupid questions. Trust no one.

Thank you, psholtz.
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Old 09-23-2005, 05:57 AM
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Dear Billy,

Just what could our Masters ACTUALLY do to stop us?

1) Lock us up for what?

2) Ban the site...under what law?**

3) Kill us all...hmmmm, some one might notice. Hard to trace us. "Practically" impossible.

**Actually you'd be all for a law would'nt you? And thats the point. "They" ARE seeking too ban "us". And baby **Fur Seal** huggers such as yourself will clap your hands as the Ministry Of Love, under the auspicious's of the free love for all U.N, march us to the gulags. You will even cheer! And that is why I HATE the stupid Left slightly more than the stupid Right.

**I have nothing against Baby Fur Seals personally as long as they keep their filthy agenda to themselves. Innocent looking? Not the ones I know.**

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Old 09-23-2005, 08:19 AM
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Default Re: Hi, new here. Have stupid questions. Trust no one.

Cost versus benefit.
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Old 09-24-2005, 03:33 AM
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Default Re: Hi, new here. Have stupid questions. Trust no one.

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(nonsense)
I think that from now on I'll just ignore you because you're a dumb-as-a-stump troll and an NWO tool.
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Old 04-09-2010, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: Hi, new here. Have stupid questions. Trust no one.

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Dear Billy,

Just what could our Masters ACTUALLY do to stop us?

1) Lock us up for what?
They have power, they decide the Acts and they deceive the populous to believe that these Acts are law so what they are doing is right.

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2) Ban the site...under what law?**
They make the Acts, the only real "law" is common law, which boils down to "don't cause harm to others who haven't agreed to it". If they can make the acts seem like laws to everyone, what's to stop them making a act to stop this forum?

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3) Kill us all...hmmmm, some one might notice. Hard to trace us. "Practically" impossible.
This site may be a honey trap, intended to draw you into a false sense of security. Any slip up and you can be traced easily enough; whether registering with a real email or using your own internet connection.

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**Actually you'd be all for a law would'nt you? And thats the point. "They" ARE seeking too ban "us". And baby **Fur Seal** huggers such as yourself will clap your hands as the Ministry Of Love, under the auspicious's of the free love for all U.N, march us to the gulags. You will even cheer! And that is why I HATE the stupid Left slightly more than the stupid Right.

**I have nothing against Baby Fur Seals personally as long as they keep their filthy agenda to themselves. Innocent looking? Not the ones I know.**

8-)
I dislike both in equal measures. Both want to limit your freedoms by thinking that they are right. The people should decide what is right for them; and whilst they follow common law, no-one should have the right to interfere with them.

Rant here

However there is the destruction of nature and the standardisation to think about to make sure that no abuse is realistically possible. That requires socialist standards agency's to enforce things on businesses and the people within that business. However it's ran by humans, people who should be allowed to do what they want.
How can people say "businesses and people are not allowed to do this because we all agree in these standards" when those who would ignore the standards don't agree. Hope for the market to kill them? "They are not standardised, we shouldn't buy their products"; wrong, without any law enforcement they can just pretend they are standardised, which means that the standards agencies will have to work a hell of a lot to call these businesses out. Even then the business can easily change and promote itself as standard.

Law and order is required to keep us advancing as a species, but whilst the belief that we are "free" is a noble thing, if it were real things would go cock up quickly indeed.

Do our leaders know this? Do they spin this tapestry for our own benefit or because they want to line their own pockets? Is there a mixture of both? Do you advance us and line your pockets, using the advancement as a investment? Would our leaders expect compensation for their leadership? What if that leadership isn't wanted?

I've been thinking that the only way to have a free society would be to have a fascist leader; a benevolent fascist. The whole world under one banner, ignoring individuality but advancing and knowing more and more. Is freedom the cost of a higher quality of life?

Is the sacrifice of freedom for safety worth it? The knowledge that you have no choice in what you do because at least this way you'll be happy with a family, working for them and fulfilling the basic needs of humanity.

To allot of people the choice is clear, give up total freedom for the safety and happiness that bowing down provides. The quick easy path that your family has done for generations and there is nothing else you know.

Control brings happiness and safety at the extent of personal freedoms, whilst total freedom brings the ability to abuse and there's no promise of happiness.

The two can never mix because once there is a level of control, people will believe that what they are told is for their own good.
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Old 09-25-2005, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: Hi, new here. Have stupid questions. Trust no one.

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The other obvious point is that half the people on this site (seem to) believe in shape-shifting lizard people..

I highly doubt that the government is going to waste the resources going after people whom it has already successfully brainwashed and misled w/ its own lies and propaganda and disinformation..

Such people are not a threat to ANYBODY other than themselves..
Very well expressed psholtz ... people believing

in lizards scare me.

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Old 09-25-2005, 11:37 PM
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People really are quite stupid. Just look at the reference to a train in Outer Eastern Melbourne, by TB, to see how going over his posts would pretty much deliver you on his front door in the matter of a few weeks.

That's assuming of course, you percieve him to be a threat, a crafty wordsmith and intellectual and charismatic leader of the oppressed and fallen, and worthy of your time and resources.

Having said that, nobody would bother with TB, obviously.
Actually I live in Perth, West Oz.

I have been surveilled for 2 years. Mostly they were nice. Till they took $290 from a bill envelope. They needed me because there were no interesting people to surveille. Budgets must be kept!

It seems that people like you must remain anonamous NEX...because you are a tosser lurking about your forum of choice with your multiple "nicks".

"Let your yes be yes! and your no, no!"

You should read the bible more NEX. You might learn something about standing up straight and level before the man instead of skulking like a beaten dog around the forums stirring the pot for amusement. 8-)

Later, you weak willed Dawgggggggg...
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