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Old 11-10-2005, 02:47 AM
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Editor's Note: From the sub-cellar of psychosis comes this report in the
Canadian media about the latest Zundel trial. Note that the prosecutor
(Grossmann) states that revisionists secretly believe that six million
"Jews" were gassed, but are too cowardly to say so. Revisionists have
the courage to risk everything to to publicly cast doubt on homicidal
gas chambers, but we are supposed to believe that they are too cowardly
to admit that they really believe in them! This is the logic of the Mad
Hatter, and Zundel is at the mercy of this mentality.

The virus of hate
Holocaust denier remains defiant, looks for recruits
Defense will paint him as a "prisoner of conscience"


Nov. 8, 2005 Toronto Star

MANNHEIM, GERMANY-Today, Germany puts on trial a high profile product of
its Nazi past. Yet it does so with little sense of drama.

Ernst Zundel, a German citizen who was a distasteful fixture in Montreal
and Toronto for 40 years, is charged with inciting hatred, denying the
Holocaust and dishonouring the dignity of Jews, living and dead.

Zundel is largely unknown in Germany and the media have so far ignored
him.

"He doesn't have real influence on Germany's neo-Nazi scene," says
Manfred Murck, Hamburg deputy chief of the German intelligence service
that monitors extremist groups.

Yet behind the stone walls and barbed wire of this city's maximum
security prison, Zundel doesn't miss an opportunity to spread his
neo-Nazi ideology.

He avoids mingling with what he calls the "down-bred," multicultural
group of murderers and thieves he's been jailed with since being
deported from Canada eight months ago.

He prefers the company of the guards, describing their "humane"
behaviour as stirring warm feelings of belonging to the German "Volk,"
the sense of national identity that under Hitler became synonymous with
racial superiority - and mass murder.

Even his lawyer believes Zundel has little chance of avoiding jail under
Germany's strict laws. But while in custody awaiting trial, the
66-year-old revisionist remains defiant and on the lookout for recruits.

He seizes the chance when guards ask, as Zundel claimed in a recent
letter, "What is it that you know that is so feared by the system?"

"Then I let loose with pure Zundelism and watch my artillery barrage
land right on target in the depths of their souls - and I KNOW, Ingrid,
by their reaction that I have not lost the magic touch," he wrote to his
American wife.

"It's an uplifting feeling for I know that the time will come when that
`KNOWING' will be treated like a national resource."


"To hell with the rest of the world," he added. "This is the new world
coming!"

Even among diehard neo-Nazis, such comments are dismissed. Christian
Worch, a leading neo-Nazi organizer, says right-wing extremists are far
more preoccupied by immigration and unemployment than revising history,
especially when simply claiming the Holocaust is exaggerated can land
you in jail
.

Worch, 49, who served five years for denying the Holocaust and waving
the swastika in public, says he asked neo-Nazi leaders whether
pro-Zundel demonstrations should be organized and got little more than a
shrug.

From 1998 to 2003, 114 people in Germany were convicted of having made
statements that "approve, deny or minimize" crimes committed by Hitler's
regime, and are "liable to disturb the public peace."

Many had denied the Holocaust ever happened, or stated, for example,
that fewer than six million Jews were killed. The crime carries a
maximum penalty of five years. More than 1,400 others were convicted of
inciting "hatred against parts of the population."


In Canada, Zundel spent two years in jail on a federal security
certificate before federal court Judge Pierre Blais called him a "racist
hypocrite," a threat to Canadians, and threw him out of the country.

In Mannheim, it's Andreas Grossmann's job to keep him in jail as long as
possible.

As lead prosecutor in the case, Grossmann also wants to stop Zundel from
turning the trial into a platform for neo-Nazi propaganda. Zundel did
exactly that during Toronto court proceedings in the 1980s, which
resulted in the Supreme Court overturning a conviction for spreading
"false news."

"It's perhaps better if no one talks about it," says Grossmann,
referring to media coverage the trial might receive.

Previous Holocaust deniers convicted in Mannheim include Fred Leuchter,
who presented a report at Zundel's second Toronto trial claiming the
Auschwitz death camp had no gas chambers. The report, flatly dismissed
by leading historians, has become gospel in the revisionist world.

Zundel is charged with statements contained on the "Zundelsite" website
and in biweekly "newsletters" he sends to followers. The indictment
includes his claims that most Jews in concentration camps died of
disease, that Hitler never ordered their extermination, and that a
"Holocaust lobby" has since "blackmailed" millions of dollars from the
German state.

Grossmann expects Zundel be jailed for three to five years.
(That's funny - Grossman is in charge!/Draken)

"Not only are they liars and preachers of hate, they're also cowards,"
Grossmann says. "What they really believe is that the Holocaust
happened, that it was good, and that the only mistake is that they
didn't get them all. But they don't dare say that."


Zundel will appear before three judges and two jurors. Five days have
been set aside for the trial, but Grossmann expects Zundel's defence
team to drag it out as much as possible.

Zundel's lead lawyer, Jurgen Rieger, says his first motion will be to
replace all three "biased" judges. He'll describe Zundel as "a prisoner
of conscience," argue that the website is fully run by his Zundel's wife
and note that it's based in the U.S., where its content is protected by
freedom of speech laws.

Grossmann instead points to a court ruling that convicted German soccer
fans for giving Nazi salutes at a match in Poland, simply because the
images were broadcast on German TV.

Rieger acknowledges he has little chance of having top Holocaust deniers
accepted as expert witnesses. German law prevents a defence that tries
to prove the denier is right.
(!!!/Draken)

Rieger was fined 3,600 euros for trying to use the tactic while
defending another client. Yet his team has sent Grossmann documents
making similar claims.

"If the lawyer stands up in court and says publicly that the Holocaust
did not happen, then I will have another case to prosecute," Grossmann
says flatly.

Germany's blanket ban on Holocaust denial is similar to laws in several
European countries.

"There's a deep-seated fear here that if these hate messages are voiced,
some or many Germans might be attracted to them. I don't see that danger
at all, but this is an expression of the German trauma," says Winfried
Brugger, professor of constitutional law at the University of
Heidelberg.

"Every politician says we have a healthy, robust democracy in Germany,"
he adds. "But when it comes to right-wing radicalism most people think,
`Germany is frail and we are not 100 per cent sure that we won't again
fall into the Nazi trap.'"

Brugger says simple Holocaust denial should be protected as free speech.
Publicly confronting such lies "revitalizes" a truth that may otherwise
become a hollow mantra, he argues.

An April survey sponsored by the American Jewish Committee found a high
level of Holocaust awareness among Germans, including 77 per cent who
identified Auschwitz, Dachau and Treblinka as extermination camps.

"Germany has the lowest level of anti-Semitism in Europe," says Albert
Mayer, head of the Jewish Community of Berlin. "It's not paradise, but
it's a pretty good place to live."

Since 1989, Germany's Jewish community has grown from 27,000 to 200,000
- almost half of its pre-World War II level - largely through Russian
immigration.

Other studies have found a German tendency to turn a blind eye to crimes
their parents or grandparents may have committed during the war. The
blame is invariably placed on abstract Nazis rather than real ones close
to home, causing analysts to warn that the lessons of history haven't
been fully learned.

Increasing concerns are the almost five million unemployed, the highest
since hard times propelled Hitler's National Socialists to power in
1933.
Direct parallels would be absurd, but neo-Nazis like Worch count on the
economic troubles to boost their support.

In September's national election, the neo-Nazi linked Nationalist Party
received 1.6 per cent of the vote. In eastern Germany last year, it
captured
9.2 per cent of Saxony's ballots in regional elections.

"People denying the Holocaust are like a virus, a virus of pure
anti-Semitism. If we don't punish this crime, the virus can spread,"
Mayer says.

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Old 11-10-2005, 03:16 AM
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What a fucking joke. It's all a dream. I'm sure it's all a dream.

Wont the future generations be having a gigantic laugh at all this. The sheer stupidity of it all.

It's actually quite macabre.

And how long do the poor silly Jews and their hangers on think they can get away with it? It's really time for more Jews to point out the ridiculous nqature of it all.

I am a poor middle class who mixes in VERY wide circles and I can tell ya I have gotton at least 60 fellow average middle class people laughing at the holohoax. That is just the beginning.

Better start that war quick boys.

Time is running out.
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Old 11-10-2005, 10:51 AM
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What the jew really fears is the truth. He needs government to make laws banning the truth so his con game can stand. Billions of dollars, more accurately trillions if you count materials along with the money that has been fraudulently extorted from the first world nations using the lie of the holocaust, has poured into Israel.

The notorious figure of 6 million jews exterminated has already dropped officially to less than a million and that figure is highly questionable, along with the term exterminated. To die in times of war as a result of that war is not extermination. Typhus in the camps was not a respector or persons, either.

The Zionists dealt with the German government to remove all jews who wanted to go to Palestine but those who did not were on their own.

Many of those who wanted no part of what was to become Israel went to England and filled the empty Liberty Ships returning to America after dropping off our soldiers to fight and die in the war.

Abba Eban stated that there were only approximately 600,000 jews in Europe at the time war broke out. The Nazis would have had to import jews in order for as many to die as claimed, which would mean you would have no "holocaust survivors." The fact that most jews were communists resulted in their being sent to the camps because Germany was fighting Communist Bolshevists in Russia.

Just as Freemasons do not recognize borders and loyalty to country over their fraternal oaths, neither do the jews. Their first and only loyalty is to themselves and, as such, represented a "fifth column" in Germany or any other place where they reside.

The United States placed Japanese Americans in concentration camps during WWll because we were at war with Japan even though most were US citizens. They were no more gassed and killed than were the jews. They were deemed a risk to National Security. Right or wrong, it happened.

It is neither racist nor anti-semitic to look honestly at the facts of history as well as the situation that exists today. The finances of the world are in the hands of the jews, nationally and internationally. They can make or break any country on the face of the earth. All major media is under their control, either directly through ownership or indirectly through controlling advertising which finances it. No opinion contrary to the jews' interest gets out. They set the agenda and control the "debate."

They own the diamond and emerald cartels, they are over-represented in governments so no country is secure as a result of their dubious "loyalty" since their first loyalty is to Israel, which is to say, themselves. Kol Nidre absolves them of any oaths they have to take in order to operate within governments and makes those oaths null and void.

They are over-represented in institutions of higher learning where they are free to teach our progeny the tenants of Communism and multiculturalism which is guaranteed to destroy any country in which it is practiced. That is why the jew will tell you in a heartbeat that Israel is for the jews only. He does not practice what he preaches. It is only for the goy. What other country would be allowed to treat a captive people the way the Palestinians are treated today?

Their goal is almost achieved, which is world domination. Their ideal population is represented by the UN's "brown man," no more blacks, no more yellow, red or white, just an amalgamation knowing no loyalty to a non-existant nation, living - or not - only to serve the jew. Books stating their aims exist but are in collections like the University of Texas were you cannot go unless you have special permission.

The goyim (non-jews) are by far too brainwashed and naive to see what is staring them in the face. By the time the truth dawns on them it will be too late. It may already be too late. It would require that all freedom-loving people, world wide, join together to fight the common enemy and I don't really see that happening.
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:12 AM
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we're still differentiating between Jews and Zionists right?
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Quote:
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okay.. how about Old Testament practicing Jews, versus Talmudic Jews?
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Kol Nidre absolves them of any oaths they have to take in order to operate within governments and makes those oaths null and void.
Could you please elaborate on that, Barbara?
I believe I am aware of the concept, but many on this forum may not be.
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Their goal is almost achieved, which is world domination. Their ideal population is represented by the UN's "brown man," no more blacks, no more yellow, red or white, just an amalgamation knowing no loyalty to a non-existant nation, living - or not - only to serve the jew. Books stating their aims exist but are in collections like the University of Texas were you cannot go unless you have special permission.
Even with the propaganda arm of MTV, race mixing to such an extent would take hundreds of years, and as with the case of Brazil, you still have divisions among coloreds where lighter blacks discriminate against darker blacks, or in South Africa where mulattoes have sought self-determination apart from the black majority.

But I still wonder what would serve them better. A monolithic brown race of people who had no 'united front' that could present opposition to their One Worldism? Or forcibly integrating groups and for the most part maintaining their differences, using the classic Marxist pincer technique of tension from 'above and below'?

I lean more towards the second case. Why else would they be funding La Raza, and endorsing their 'cosmic race' theories, or the Nation of Islam? Or something I saw recently on campus, 'Dragon Seed' (a Chinese racialist group)? Without such cleavages in society, they lose their pretext for control.
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