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Old 02-27-2005, 08:23 AM
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<a href="http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/islam.html">ON THE ISLAMIC TRADITION
Julius Evola, Revolt Against The Modern World</a>

Islam, which originated among the Semitic races also consisted of the Law and Tradition, regarded as a formative force, to which the Arab stocks of the origins provided a purer and nobler human material that was shaped by a warrior spirit. The Islamic law (shariah) is a divine law; its foundation, the Koran, is thought of as God's very own word (kalam Allah) as well as a nonhuman work and an "uncreated book" that exists in heaven ab eterno. Although Islam considers itself the "religion of Abraham" it is nevertheless true that (a) it claimed independence from both Judaism and Christianity; (b) the Kaaba, with its symbolism of the center, is a pre-Islamic location and has even older origins that cannot be dated accurately; (c) in the esoteric Islam tradition, the main reference point is al-Khadir, a popular figure conceived as superior to an pre-dating the biblical prophets (Koran 18:59-81). In early Islam the only form of asceticism was action, that is, jihad, or "holy war"; this type of war, at least theoretically, should never be interrupted until the full consolidation of the divine Law has been achieved. Finally, Islam presents a traditional completeness, since the shariah and the sunna, that is, the exoteric law and tradition, have their complement not in vague mysticism, but in full-fledged initiatory organizations (turuq) that are categorized by an esoteric teaching (tawil) and by the metaphysical doctrine of the Supreme Identity (tawhid). In these organizations, and in general in the shia, the recurrent notions of the masum, of the double perogative of the isma (doctrinal infallibility), and of the impossibility of being stained by any sin (which is the perogative of the leaders, the visible and invisible Imams and the mujtahid), lead back to the line of an unbroken race shaped by a tradition at a higher level than both Judaism and the religious beliefs that conquered the West.

Julius Evola
On Islam and Tradition, (Revolt Agains The Modern World, pages 243 - 244)

Even though it began relatively recently, I will briefly refer to another tradition, Islam, which originated among the Semitic races and succeeded in overcoming those negative motifs. As in the case of priestly Judaism, the center in Islam also consisted on the Law and Tradition, regarded as a formative force, to which the Arab stocks of the origins provided a purer and nobler human material that was shaped by a warrior spirit. The Islamic law (shariah) is a divine law; its foundation, the Koran, is thought of as God's very own word (kalam Allah) as well as a nonhuman work and an "uncreated book" that exists in heaven ab eterno. Although Islam considers itself the "religion of Abraham", even to the point of attributing to him the foundation of the Kaaba (in which we find again the theme of the "stone", or the symbol of the "center"), it is nevertheless true that (a) it claimed independence from both Judaism and Christianity; (b) the Kaaba, with its symbolism of the center, is a pre-Islamic location and has even older origins that cannot be dated accurately; (c) in the esoteric Islam tradition, the main reference point is al-Khadir, a popular figure conceived as superior to an pre-dating the biblical prophets (Koran 18:59-81). Islam rejects a theme found in Judaism and that in Christianity became the dogma and the basis fof the mystery of the incantation of the Logos; it retains, sensibly attenuated, the myth of Adam's fall without building upon it the theme of "original sin". In this doctrine Islam saw a "diabolical illusion" (talbis Iblis) or the inverted theme of the fall of Satan (Iblis or Shaitan), which the Koran (18:48) attributed to his refusal, together with all his angels, to bow down before Adam. Islam also not only rejected the idea of a Redeemer or Savior, which is so central in Christianity, but also the mediation of a priestly caste. By conceiving the Divine in terms of an absolute and pure monotheism, without a "Son", a "Father", or a "Mother of God", every person as a Muslim appears to respond directly to God and to be sanctified through the Law, which permeates and organizes life in a radical unitary way in all of its juridicial, religious, and social ramifications. In early Islam the only form of asceticism was action, that is, jihad, or "holy war"; this type of war, at least theoretically, should never be interrupted until the full consolidation of the divine Law has been achieved. it is precisely through the holy war, and not through preaching or missionary endeavor, that Islam came to enjoy a sudden, prodigious expansion, originating the empire of the Caliphs as well as forging a unity typical of a race of the spirit, namely, the umma or "Islamic nation". Finally, Islam presents a traditional completeness, since the shariah and the sunna, that is, the exoteric law and tradition, have their complement not in vague mysticism, but in full-fledged initiatory organizations (turuq) that are categorized by an esoteric teaching (tawil) and by the metaphysical doctrine of the Supreme Identity (tawhid). In these organizations, and in general in the shia, the recurrent notions of the masum, of the double perogative of the isma (doctrinal infallibility), and of the impossibility of being stained by any sin (which is the perogative of the leaders, the visible and invisible Imams and the mujtahid), lead back to the line of an unbroken race shaped by a tradition at a higher level than both Judaism and the religious beliefs that conquered the West.

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Old 02-27-2005, 10:09 AM
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Peace,

1-"Although Islam considers itself the "religion of Abraham" it is nevertheless true that (a) it claimed independence from both Judaism and Christianity"

The three main religions actually are offshoots of the same one religion, "Submission", the creed of Abraham. What happened is that eventhough each was just a stage in a continous message culminating in Muhammaad and Quran, each of them was caught in a state of arrested development, in which it claimed to be the "best", "complete", "chosen" religion, which is ofcourse not true, Satan wants to devide and rule.


2-"(b) the Kaaba, with its symbolism of the center, is a pre-Islamic location and has even older origins that cannot be dated accurately"

The shrine of God at Mecca was built by Abraham and his son Ismail according to God's instructions, it was to serve as a focal point, gathering all humanity around one center, one god. However as i said before all the three main religions disregarded it, even "Islam", since they have built another shrine for Muhammad (at Medina) which is a flagrant act of idol-worship (setting up partners with the one creator), the king of Saudi Arabia is even called, "the servant of the two holy mosques", when in Quran God mentiones only one!


3-"(c) in the esoteric Islam tradition, the main reference point is al-Khadir, a popular figure conceived as superior to an pre-dating the biblical prophets (Koran 18:59-81)."


There is no "esoteric" aspect of "Submission". The religion is clear and simple, what i believe to had happened, is that Satan divided the "Muslims" into "Sufis" and "Sunni. Wahabbi. Shi'a", all of them are fighting!. Sufis say "AlKhidr" whom Moses asked to teach him, is the first "Sufi" who is "BETTER" than the prophets, while the "Sunni" say Muhammad is the "BEST" prophet, the Shi'a say "Ali" (Muhammad's cousin) is the "BEST" !?, again (God+ an idol), the human factor is what corrupted the one religion into different disputing religions, (Judaism-Talmudic Rabbis, Christianity-Jesus, Sufi-saints, Sunni-Muhammad, Shi'a-Ali+Hussayn+saints).
Submission is clear and simple, God alone. No mysteries at all.


4-"In early Islam the only form of asceticism was action, that is, jihad, or "holy war"; this type of war, at least theoretically, should never be interrupted until the full consolidation of the divine Law has been achieved"

In Submission, there is no form of asceticism, or even "holy war"!. This idea crept into "Submission" after Muhammad, Jihad mentioned in Quran means "to strive", to resist temptations, to say No to your sinful lusts..etc.

The Jihadists in order to satisfy their violent nature, used the unauthorized "Hadith" books to justify their evil acts. However in Quran war is allowed only in two cases, self defense or to eliminate oppression, along with strict warnings against agression, only equitable requital is allowed.


5-"Finally, Islam presents a traditional completeness, since the shariah and the sunna, that is, the exoteric law and tradition, have their complement not in vague mysticism, but in full-fledged initiatory organizations (turuq) that are categorized by an esoteric teaching (tawil) and by the metaphysical doctrine of the Supreme Identity (tawhid)."


These are but satanic inovations, same like the Talmoud that Satan developed to rival God's word (Torah), he authored these books and developed the many ways (Turuq) to devide the one religion and then rule over the strayers. In Submission though we have only one law, elucidated in Quran, the final testament to all humanity, the book that ironically has been abandoned en mass by the "muslims" in favor of "Hadith".


6-"In these organizations, and in general in the shia, the recurrent notions of the masum, of the double perogative of the isma (doctrinal infallibility), and of the impossibility of being stained by any sin (which is the perogative of the leaders, the visible and invisible Imams and the mujtahid),"

Just reflect on the above for a minute! who invented the idea of a "superior" race ? none but Satan. in Submission, all creatures are equal. Making distinction between God's prophets (saints..etc) is against the very idea of "God alone", since it raises some of God's creation into a level rivaling Him.

Ultimately we are all humans, even Jesus, Muhammad and Mary, nobody is infallible. The idea of "infallibility" comes from Satan in his way to dupe us to idolize mere mortals and distract us from God.

[2:136] Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."


7-"Finally, Islam presents a traditional completeness, since the shariah and the sunna, that is, the exoteric law and tradition"

Here lies the whole problem with the modern "Islam" which has been subverted to a great extent. Submission has only one source of law, which is Quran, the updated final version of the scripture (previous versions were the Torah and the Gospels). The book has a built in miracle that guards every letter against being distorted.

[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.


The "muslims" unfortunately have accepted a second source of law in clear opposition to God and His Quran. The above verse alone is enough to refute the thousands of pages called "Hadith", the source of all evil in the Islamic world.

Oneday soon God willing, the Satanic dogma of Talmoud, Christian traditions, Hadith, Sufi books, will vanish and God's final word, Quran will take over.

[9:33] He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers.
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Old 02-27-2005, 10:50 AM
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Ahmad how would you explain the fact Islam

has not contributed anything in the last

few centuries to technological advancement ?
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Old 02-27-2005, 11:11 AM
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Peace Nomad,


The early Muslims (Submitters) actually laid the foundaition for almost every field of knowledge we know nowadays. However parallel to the corruption of the religion (Developement of "Hadith" books 200 years after Muhammad's death) the spirit of research started to fade since all matters have been settled by the religious scholars and their interpretation of the Hadith books (never Quran).

In Submission (the original creed of Abraham) we live and die for God, therefore all aspects of life are dealt with in that spirit. The early Submitter scientists didn't do their research seeking profit or fame, their only goal was to gain more appreciation of God (to know God more thus draw nearer to Him) through discovering the perfect harmony in His creation, being it the human body, outer space, the earth, ...etc

When the "Muslims" accepted and depended on their religious scholars, they forfeited their free will along with it, since no more did they need to choose when the scholars have developed complete books dividing all actions into lists of "Halaal & Haraam" (Right and wrong), e.g: on the Arab satallite channels or in the newspaper's religious columns, you may find questions like: is it "Halaal" to sleep on the left side ?

What do you expect from such hypocrites who surrendered to their rulers and scholars, who sold their brains to Satan, who refuse to answer the test for themselves. Quran urges us to reflect and ponder upon God's creation and signs, to be active not passive. Apathy is condemned in Quran, yet it is the dominant state of mind in the muslim countries now.

Would that mean that the developed nations know God better? God says that no matter how advanced or how good are your works, without being God-centered, they simply don't count.

I assure you that a true submitter nation would be number one in all aspects of life, as per God's promise of Victory for the Submitters.
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Old 02-27-2005, 03:45 PM
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Thanks Ahmad ... I find it difficult to listen

to any creed that is technologically brain

dead ... after all wouldn't those that know the

true God understand and master over his creation

better ?
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Old 02-28-2005, 02:00 AM
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What about a creed that masters technology and understands it so well that they actually DON'T implement everything they COULD implement - just for the sake of technology, because they know it's destructive?
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