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Old 03-07-2006, 11:56 AM
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Default THE LAST HONEST PRESIDENT!


ONE OF A FEW PRESIDENTS WHO WERE NOT ILLUMINATI CONTROLLED!
The Emancipation Proclamation
January 1, 1863


By the President of the United States of America:


A Proclamation.


Whereas, on the twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:



"That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.


"That the Executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such State shall have participated, shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State, and the people thereof, are not then in rebellion against the United States."


Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and in accordance with my purpose so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States, the following, to wit:


Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.

And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.


And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defense; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.


And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition, will be received into the armed service of the United States to garrison forts, positions, stations, and other places, and to man vessels of all sorts in said service.


And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God.


In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.


Done at the City of Washington, this first day of
January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight
hundred and sixty three, and of the Independence of the
United States of America the eighty-seventh.


By the President: ABRAHAM LINCOLN




WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State

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Contrary to what most people think, Lincoln and Kennedy were in fact the GREATEST PRESIDENTS in U.S. history, both were killed for their extreme PATRIOTISM and LOVE for AMERICA! Both killed by the ILLUMINATI BANKERS! :-o

JOHN WILKES BOOTH was a ILLUMINIST AGENT MASON! http://members.aol.com/RVSNorton/Lincoln20.html

ROTHCHILDS BEHIND THE SCENES OF HISTORY!

http://home.att.net/~rjnorton/Lincoln74.html


http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2385&forum=25&post_id=21217 #forumpost21217

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Old 03-08-2006, 08:39 AM
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If you believe the popular stories about the "Secret Memo" viewed by White House staff at the time, you will come to the conclusion that Kennedy was set up by his opponents. And he wasn't the only casualty, either! He had a gift for pi**ing off just about every powerful person or organization active during his time. he tried to clean house, and look what happened! Who will stand in the gap today? VP Cheney???
Lincoln was extremely political before and during the war, but at least he maintained his basic integrity, this is what I believe. But remember, the underground railroad went all the way up to Canada for many years because the North didn't care about slaves at that time. Then when the South started balking at all of the proposed taxes and levies . . .
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:09 AM
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For those of you who obviously still believe the myths that have evolved around Abraham Lincoln, let me strongly suggest that you read:

The Real Lincoln : A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War (Paperback) by Thomas Dilorenzo

Lincoln should more accurately be compared or likened to George Bush. He was a creature of the corporations of his day and favored empire.

Lincoln cared not a bit about the slaves or slavery:

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I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

In his First Inaugural Address, Lincoln said:

Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican Administration their property and their peace and personal security are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed and been open to their inspection. It is found in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you. I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that –

I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this and many similar declarations and had never recanted them; and more than this, they placed in the platform for my acceptance, and as a law to themselves and to me, the clear and emphatic resolution which I now read:

Resolved, That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depend; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes.

In his letter to Horace Greeley, the editor of the New York Tribune, dated August 22, 1862, Lincoln said:

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.

Just before Lincoln was inaugurated in 1861, Congress proposed an amendment to the Constitution that would have protected slavery:

No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said state.

In his First Inaugural Address, Lincoln specifically mentioned this amendment, and voiced no objection to it:

I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution – which amendment, however, I have not seen – has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose not to speak of particular amendments so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.

And who can forget that Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation only freed those slaves that were under the control of the Confederate government, which means that it basically freed no one. Lincoln declared that only "persons held as slaves within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons." Here are the states and parts of states that Lincoln listed:

Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.

Lincoln’s Secretary of State, William Seward, remarked about the Emancipation Proclamation only applying to slaves in areas that were in a state of rebellion against the United States: "We show our sympathy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free."

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These are facts:

These United States formed a govenment in 1788-89 based on a contract between the people of the various States. Our union was voluntary, and each State decided for itself, and itself alone, to become a party to this contract. This was the position consistently held by the Southern States. When they left the union in 1860-61, they were opposed by Lincoln and the Republican Party, who invaded the South rather than acknowledge that a State has the right to secede.

Unfortunately, our Confederate ancestors were defeated and brutally forced to return to what became an involuntary "union." In fact, after 1865 the United States became a "Consolidated Nation-State," the very thing that the Founding Fathers dreaded most.
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:24 AM
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Having said all that, does it makes sense to you that the South seceded over the issue of slavery?

Lincoln was more pro- than anti-slavery. To say that he was neutral would be an understatement, as proven by his own words.

It was economic and Constitutional grounds on which the South based it's decision to seced.
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Old 03-08-2006, 01:20 PM
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So, the real America (the experiment of a constitutional republic) FAILED after about 70 years given the dates you posted. Isn't it so nice to know that we've all been born into the global plantation? :-P Nevermind that 98 percent of American's don't know this info, much less care. :roll:
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Old 03-08-2006, 01:34 PM
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American Power and Organized Crime
See the review at this link:
http://www.baas.ac.uk/resources/pamphlets/pamphdets.asp?id=19
Also, it's worth a trip to your local library or bookstore, specifically regarding the evolution of strife and propaganda before and during the American Civil War.
GWB used WMD's to justify attacking the ME.
Abe Lincoln used slavery and other nasty things to paint a dire picture of the South as a depraved pit of every human misery and vice, etc.
And yes, according to many historians, the REAL reason for secession was economic, and was similar to "taxation without representation" issues which fomented support for the American Revolution in the first place!
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