"Ecclesia" is an entirely different word with an entirely different meaning than "kuriakos" ("church")
Eventually, through the manipulation of organized religion, "church" came to replace "ecclesia" by popular acceptance. Indeed, churches have achieved their goal-- to neutralize Christians!
Churches are proving grounds for religious tricksters, con artists and politicians. Churches facilitate greed and superstition. They prey upon the gullible. CHURCH IS THE GREAT AMERICAN IDOL, AND CHURCHGOERS ARE IDOLATERS.
The Greek "ecclesia" was "a civil body politic." This is strong proof that the Christian "ecclesia" we read about in the New Testament was an INDEPENDENT CIVIL BODY OF CHRISTIANS -- independent from rulers and man's government. Their objective was to be free to serve King Jesus. This phenomenon had nothing to do with building and attending churches! Churches are NOT ecclesias!
Part One: What Is The Ecclesia?
Part Two: Is It A Church? Is It A Cult? Is It Important?
Part Three: Life On The Plantation
I am myself a person who has been hurt by church but I don`t agree with the radicalism. The Bible is very clear that we are supposed to meet as a group, called local church. I know that church in the spiritual sense is the whole body of Christ, but a good church is important for many many reasons. Among them support, encouragement, learning, fellowship, worship, etc.
The problem is not the church itself, it is the BAD churches that are all around us...thanks to the apostates, church marketing guys, Crystal Cathedral people, Rick Warrens, etc. But a church doesn`t HAVE to be bad.
I like this thread. Most, if not all churches in Amerika of any denomination are corporate churches, which means they're married to the State, making them creatures of the State. Now that God has been kicked out of government, the State wants to take his place. So far, their efforts have gone unhindered. So basically, you can say that every modern church goer really is a worshiper of the State. :-P
So pardon me while I burst into flames.
I\'ve had enough of the world and it\'s people\'s mindless games.
So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame. Pardon me, pardon me, I\'ll never be the same. -Brandon Boyd
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I've always felt that the mainstream Christian "worship" of "Jesus" borders on the idolatorous. You're still supposed to worship God, not man, and at the end of the day Jesus was still a man. Christ is that from God which is Divine, but despite the name ("Christian"), nobody in any Christian church I've ever been to worships "Christ" -- they will worship this man named "Jesus"..
There's as big a diff between "Jesus" and "Christ" as there is between "Ecclesia" and "kuriakos"..
I mean, if we're going to worship an idol, than let's at least get the name right and worship "Yushua ben Pantera", since as near as the archaelogists can tell us, that's the guy's real name.. Not "Jesus", which is an idolatorous Greek acronym based upon the name..
Man, your problem is not with churches, it is with Christianity. Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. This is basic Christianity. Therefore, when people worship Jesus, they are worshipping God.
In this, churchgoers are totally correct. Who do you want them to worship, if not Jesus ? Your position doesn`t make sense. If you don`t want to be a Christian, it is your problem, but definetly you can`t blame people for doing what is right in their religion. Christians who worship Jesus and go to church are just doing what Jesus Christ told them to do.