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Old 04-03-2005, 11:42 AM
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How The Qur'an Came To Be

by Robert A. Morey
© 1996 Research and Education Foundation

Modern scholars using sound principles of literary analysis have determined that the Qur'an did not come from Muhammad. He did not recite it and actually never saw a copy of it. It was not put together in its present written form until nearly one hundred and fifty years after Muhammad's death.

This has come as quite a shock to Muslims. According to the legends, myths, and stories found in the Hadith, the Qur'an was written in heaven by Allah on a large stone tablet. The angel Gabriel brought it down and Muhammad recited it verbally but did not write any of it down. It was Muhammad's companions who wrote down what he recited. After his death, it was gathered together and compiled by the Calif Uthman.

The insurmountable problem that Muslims face is that they do not have any documentary evidence from the 7th and 8th century to back up any of their claims. For example, if Uthman compiled the Qur'an as the Hadith claims (Bukhari I:63; IV:709: VI:507, 510), where is the manuscript evidence for this? Why have no Qur'ans survived from that period? Why do we have to wait over a hundred years before we find even a scrap of the Qur'an?

The Muslims are also guilty of circular reasoning when they document the Qur'an by the Hadith and then document the Hadith by the Qur'an! But there is no documentary evidence to back up the Hadith or the Qur'an! They are both fraudulent as to authorship and dates.

Some Muslims have claimed that 7th century copies of the original Qur'an have been found in museums at Topkapi, Turkey and Tashkent, Russia. But when they were examined by manuscript scholars, they turned out to be 9th or 10th century manuscripts.

The Qur'an was invented in order to give spiritual unity to the vast empire created by Arab conquests. By borrowing liberally from the legends, myths and religious traditions of pagans, Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Persians, they created one religion to rule over all its citizens. Thus the Qur'an was the product of multiple authors from different times and places. These authors contributed stories and legends from their own cultural and religious background. The sources of these stories have been well documented by many scholars.

The burden of proof is now clearly on the Muslims. They must supply scholars with the documentary evidence to support their theories on the origins of the Qur'an and the Hadith. Until they do so, we cannot believe in the inspiration of either one.

How different is the situation with the New Testament. The manuscript evidence for it begins twenty years after the death of Christ. There are literally thousands of Greek, Latin, Syriac and Coptic texts which document the reliability of the New Testament.

The same holds true for the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. We have more than enough literary documentation for the life of Jesus from first century Jewish, pagan, and Christian manuscripts. This is in sharp contrast to the life of Muhammad. We find no references to him as a prophet until 150 years after his death. No one has ever found even the smallest fragment of the Qur'an from the 7th century. Thus much of what is said about the life of Muhammad must now be dismissed as fiction.

The truth will triumph in the end. The Qur'an and the Hadith were political tools used to subjugate non-Arab cultures by forcing them to accept a religion with elevated Arabian language, political laws, moral standards, dress codes, penal punishments and other cultural elements to the status of divine law. This is why, to become a Muslim, you must take an Arab name, dress like an Arab, speak Arabic, eat only what Arabs eat, treat your wife as Arabs treat their wives, etc.

The religion of Islam was thus born out of Arab cultural imperialism and is rooted in a racist attitude that all things Arab are good while all things non-Arab are evil. Until this is understood, the true nature of Islam cannot be grasped.

This is why Western dress, food, movies, hairstyles, etc., are zealously denounced by the Mullahs and Imams as Satanic. Such things as blue jeans are not really condemned because they are immoral but because they are not Arab.

The truthfulness of this observation is easily demonstrated by Islam's demand that one bow in prayer in the direction of Arabia (Mecca) and make a pilgrimage to Arabia (Mecca). The religion of Islam is Arabian paganism and culture raised to divine law and imposed upon conquered nations.

Nations such as Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon, etc. who had the misfortune of having Islam forced upon them by the sword, need to break free from Arab imperialism in order to regain their own identity and culture. Until they throw off the shackles of Islam, they cannot become free societies where human rights are honored.

How can this be done? The oppressed masses must return to their Christian heritage which was stolen from them by wave after wave of Arab armies. Why would anyone entering the 21st century want to continue to believe in a foreign religion that was forced upon his ancestors many centuries ago by violence, slavery, oppression and unjust taxes? It is time to break free from the darkness and ignorance of Islam and enter into the freedom and light of Christianity.
http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/quran.asp

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Old 04-03-2005, 01:05 PM
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The fact that Islam has not been able to adapt

to a modern technological world is a proof that

whoever authored it could not produce leaders

to push the world forward and that given the

advantage of having oil on their side. Take a look

at Israel, with no resources they compete with the

best on the planet techologically. Why ? Maybe

whoever authored the Torah was smarter than

whoever authored the Koran ?
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Old 04-03-2005, 01:17 PM
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Quote:
nomad wrote:
The fact that Islam has not been able to adapt

to a modern technological world is a proof that

whoever authored it could not produce leaders

to push the world forward and that given the

advantage of having oil on their side. Take a look

at Israel, with no resources they compete with the

best on the planet techologically. Why ? Maybe

whoever authored the Torah was smarter than

whoever authored the Koran ?
I dunno.. while "Christian" Europe languished in the Dark Ages, the Moslem Arabs were the most advanced civilization on earth, and in some sense they preserved "Western" civilization while Europe was lost.

Algebra, chemistry, etc, they all come from the Arabs..

Israel's success is 1000% the result of U.S. taxpayer support, and, incidentally, the subjugation and technological repression of Arab countries is also 1000% the result of U.S. taxpayer support.. I don't think you can make a call regarding technological sophisication of Islamd/Judaism just by looking at Israel/Middle EAst.. it's not exactly a fair, "blind" experiment..
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Old 04-03-2005, 01:18 PM
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Quote:
nomad wrote:
The fact that Islam has not been able to adapt

to a modern technological world is a proof that

whoever authored it could not produce leaders

to push the world forward and that given the

advantage of having oil on their side. Take a look

at Israel, with no resources they compete with the

best on the planet techologically. Why ? Maybe

whoever authored the Torah was smarter than

whoever authored the Koran ?
Also, if you've ever read Islamic literature, you'd find that they use the Torah for much of their spiritual inspiration as well. Moses is certainly a great prophet in the Islamic tradition, as is King Solomon...
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Old 04-03-2005, 01:27 PM
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psholtz you are 100% correct, Israel is in

actuality the world's biggest welfare state

consuming the hard work of others ... and making

others fight their wars for them. Oye the goyim

are not so intelligent.

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Old 04-03-2005, 01:37 PM
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And Jesus.

Come on, guys. Because a civilization deems technological "progress" evil does not mean they base that on their respective religious texts. I don't have to convert to Islam to have the opinion technological "progress" is evil - it doesn't make me a Muslim!

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By borrowing liberally from the legends, myths and religious traditions of pagans, Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Persians, they created one religion to rule over all its citizens.
Just like Christianity then. What's the problem?

Rush, you can't seriously claim Christianity isn't riddled with controversy, fraud, counterfeit, borrowings from pre-Christian religions, and unexplained contradicting claims!
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Old 04-04-2005, 12:01 AM
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I now understand exactly how the disinformation gets spread around the internet, through hearsay.

I believe you should take 10 minutes to reflect on your attitude, you read an article that is full of assumptions, conjecture and then start spreading it! is that really honest?

The author says: "The burden of proof is now clearly on the Muslims"

Actually the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused.

Anyway, i will try to clarify some points here.
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1- "Modern scholars using sound principles of literary analysis have determined that the Qur'an did not come from Muhammad. He did not recite it and actually never saw a copy of it. It was not put together in its present written form until nearly one hundred and fifty years after Muhammad's death."


What really happened is that Muhammad wrote Quran over 20 years whenever he got the inspiration from God through Gabriel. Then before his death, he left detailed instructions with his followers concerning the order of the chapters. 19 years after he died during the reign of 'Uthman, a committee of scribes was appointed to put the book in order according to the instructions left by Muhammad from the original copy written by him.

The idoloaters of Mecca then injected two false verses at the end of chapter 9 (intended to exalt Muhammad, their new idol), Muhammad's cousin Ali objected and this resulted in a 50 years war between the Sunni (Muhammad's worshipers) and the Shi'a (supporters of Ali), this war ended with victory for the Sunnis (now more than 90% of teh muslims are Sunni), later the Shi'a themselves idolized their leader, Ali and made him their idol (along with his sons Hassan &Hussein).

What we can find now is two factions still fighting, the Sunni who have their own collection of "Hadith, false sayings attributed to Muhammad" and the Shiites with their own collection of false sayings "Hadith" attributed to both Ali and Muhammad.

The simple question is, wouldn't they stop fighting if they return to the one book "Quran"?

Satan can not divide the people unless he divides the one law into many so that each party will get biased and form a sect.
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But regardless of the fact that the burden of proof is on the accuser, we finally have a proof, an incontrovertible physical proof for you to verify.

A mathematical miracle was discovered in the book 1974 that proves that every letter is devinly authored, this miracle is intended to convince the Christians and the Jews that the book is the final testament to them from God, it also purified the book from the two false verses that didn't conform with the simple superhuman mathematical composition, and because it exposed the false teachings of "Hadith" as man made and unproven, the Muslims rejected it and now they are paying the price.

Introduction to the miracle:

http://www.usn2161.net/19miracle.html

More details by the discoverer of it, Rashad Khalifa (i am not associated with this link though):

http://www.submission.org/math-ap1.html

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The final prophet Muhammad is mentioned in :

1- Deutronomy 18:15 / 18:18-19

2- John 14:16-17 / John 16:13

The messenger of the covenant who discovered the miracle in 1974 is mentioned in:

1- Malachi 3:1-3
2- Quran 3:81

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But without believing first in the message, no miracle on earth can convince you, so i urge you to read a part of Quran first before judging it based on conjecture and a poorly researched article.

Read Quran, the final testament here:

http://www.submission.org/Q-T.html

(I am not affiliated with the above website.)
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I know that it may sound weird because of the vicious scheme of Satan to discredit Quran, however it is the final proven testament to all humanity, the muslims of today are stuck in one phase of the religion of God "Submission", and that's why they refuse to translate the word "Islam" and that's why they prefer it a tribal arab religion, and that's why they invented all the false dress codes, beards, scarfs, changing the name of the converts and heaps of nonsensical teachings that were never authorized by God and cannot be found anywhere in Quran.

But i believe the truth will finally prevail inspite of the propaganda, my advice to you is to reclaim your brain, question your beliefs, don't put your trust in a "Scholar" or a "reasercher" or your parents, you are a unique individual, you shall honour this gift by using it to find your own path, your own truth.

May God guide you to His straight path.
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