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Old 04-08-2005, 12:46 AM
Ahmad Ahmad is offline
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Default The real conspiracy is "idol-worship"

Salamun 'alaykum,
(peace be unto you)

Q: Why "idol-worship" is the real conspiracy?

It is evident that the conspiracy started from day one on earth, no human conspirators would have successfuly passed their agenda along hundreds of generations without any failure. A closer look at the claims of some evil doers that they are "alliens", "superior species"..etc leads us to the conclusion that there is indeed a separate invisible species among us with an agenda, they are called "Niphilim", "the greys", "the Jinn-beings", "demons"..etc, what is important is the proven fact that they can control the human beings (only if the humans agreed with them) and use them to advance their agenda.

Q: So what is their agenda ?

The scriptures say that Satan (and his descendants) is full of jealousy and hatred towards Adam (and his descendants), God created Adam, then ordered all the angels (including Satan) to fall prostrate before him (meaning to serve him from then on), all obeyed except the proud Satan, he said "I am better then he", the test for Adam on the other hand was in the form of the symbolical forbidden tree (a symbol of all the visible world), once Adam listened to Satan, and believed that the creature (the tree) has an inherent power to grant him eternal life, both Adam and his wife were ordered to go down to the visible dimension along with Satan and his descendants.

Q: Why didn't God forgive Adam for this first mistake?

God did forgive us all for this original sin when Adam repented, however in order to fully redeem ourselves and purify them from the traces of doubt, God created the earth to tesl us all, a makeup test.

Q: Does that mean that the record starts from zero-sins? and what is the test exactly?

Yes we start with no sins at all, the test is simply a choice we have to make, either God or Satan. God is represented by all the "Unseen" absolute values and meanings that we can feel with our hearts, Satan is represented by the visible domain, all the visible creatures void of any meaning or absolute value. Satan advocates that the creatures (meaning himself ofcourse) are gods, ends in themselves, that there is nothing behind them, he says that nature created itself, if we believe in his blaspemous idea, we fall from God's kingdom into Satan's and we face complete misery and failure.

Q: How do i know if i am in Satan's kingdom?

For every human being there is a Jinn-companion assigned to his body, the Jinn projects continously his father's ideas, that the creatures can benefit or harm you on their own. When you start to attribute a power to a creature instead of the source (God) know that you are being duped, the next thing you know is you are in a state of total obsession, (or the other extreme, unjustified hate or fear) with a creature, and because of the dependance on a powerless creature who by default is unstable, that creature will take you on a journey to the land of misery and lost dreams, with you hanging onto its tail up and down you go, traumatizing you and destroying your resistance completely, untill you become a faithfull commplying follower of Satan.

Q: I don't understand! can you give me examples?

0-Idol: The forbidden tree (symbol of the visible dimension)
Action: Eating (symbol of action)
Extreme emotion: temporary obsession
Satanic promise/lie: eternal life, kingship.
The truth: (The tree was not about the tree!, it was simply a test, God warned us that the creatures on their own CAN NOT grant anything, but we failed to take heed and listened to Satan and here we are!)

1- Visible creature/Idol : Money
Action: Gambling, theft, "who wants to be a millionaire", "working for an evil firm", unproductive work (stock market, the movie-industry)....vivisection, factory-farms...prostitution..etc
Extreme emotion: love (obsession/addiction)
Satanic promise: financial security, happiness, fulfilling dreams...etc
The truth: (Money is not about money!, it's simply a test, only God can grant the "real" money which can bring you happiness and satisfaction, and the real money cannot come through illegal ways, since God is the one who grants it if we reverence him and seek a righteous meaning (value) in our work. "No righteous meaning? Don't do it!"

2- Idol: Women (or men)
Action: Adultery, Homosexuality, free sex, pornography, codependency.
Extreme emotion: obsession
Satanic promise/lie: immediate gratification.
The truth: (We are not just a body, the road to satisfaction starts with the soul, and our souls need meanings, in this case "Love", love comes form God alone, and thus when we satisfy our bodies by engaging in sinful acts, we are actually creating more problems, let us imagine a vacuum chamber, representing our need, this chamber cannot reach stability except if we fill it with both parts, love (for the soul) and physical relation (for the body), if you open the door and fill the body part only, the unsatisfied vacuum will suck more and more of it, but the problem is the physical part cannot fill the soul part and therefore a never ending downward spiral of "doping" will start, with you trying desperately to fill the soul-part of the chamber physically but with no avail!) Love comes from God, and God decreed marriage and family as the only way to get it.

[13:14] Imploring Him is the only legitimate supplication, while the idols they implore beside Him, cannot ever respond. Thus, they are like those who stretch their hands to the water, but nothing reaches their mouths. The supplications of the disbelievers are in vain.

3- Idol: Children
Action: Over or under protection......to the extreme of pedophilia!
Extreme emotion: obsession
Satanic promise: never losing your childern..etc
The truth: (Children, even though they are our extension in life, they are totally independent creatures, nobody owns them, they belong to God, by attributing their powers (skills,beauty..etc) to God always and being appreciative, we are protecting them in the right way. People who seek to control their childern completely by strict rules are no better than those who seek to control them through trauma, criticism/pedophilia.

4- Idol: Ego
Action: Arrogance, seeking fame (celebrities, movie stars, presidents), showing off..etc
Extreme emotion: obsession with oneself
Satanic promise: "you can be your own god, nothing can stop you then!"
The truth: (We can reach no happiness ever except if we humbly acknowledge our position as creatures, subservient to the one god. God commands us to kill our egos, thus whenever you feel proud, remeber that there are limits and that only God is Great)

5- Idol: NWO
Action: Obsessive study of the NWO bibles, news, history. (Whatever occupies your mind most of the time, is your god!)
Extreme emotion: Mix of hate/fear (attraction and repulsion are the two sides of the same coin "idol-worship")
Satanic promise: "They are everywhere, there is no escape, it is over!"
The truth: (Only God can harm, no other creature can harm anybody against God's will. The NWO propaganda is designed to enslave you through an invisible bond (hate/fear), it's not over untill you ACCEPT the vicious idea that the "mighty" rich leaders are gods and that if they want to harm you, they can!) the only way to defeat evil is to acknowledge its powerlessness, and that all power belongs to God alone.

6-Idol: Jesus (Muhammad, the pope, the saints, professional religionists)
Action: Acceptance of their views without questioning , considering them infallibe gods, attributing their knowledge to them instead of the source.
Extreme emotion: love/obsession
Satanic promise: "They are more pure, they can grant salvation, they are the only way to God"
The truth is The prophets were no more than human beings like you and me, God sent us a message with a postman, we chose to relate the message to the postman instead of the sender!. God has no partners whatsoever in his kingship and He is far too exalted to have a mate or a son, as He is in no need for all His creation, it is us who need Him. Satan actually comes to us disguised in false identities (the false devine Jesus, the false devine Muhammad, the false devine saints), once we worship these distorted figures, we are actually worshipping Satan, instead of God.

The bottom line is: Satan has many masks, he uses the visible creatures to bind us in slavery, we shall seek the source behind the meanings we feel in our hearts instead of the visible powerless dimension that can not harm or benefit anyone.

Let me tell you that all those who idolize Jesus has lost the battle with Satan (aka. NWO) already because of their failure to acknowledge God as the only source of harm or benefit, it is all connected, and the choice is yours.

[2:165] Yet, some people set up idols to rival GOD, and love them as if they are GOD. Those who believe love GOD the most. If only the transgressors could see themselves when they see the retribution! They will realize then that all power belongs to GOD alone, and that GOD's retribution is awesome.

[9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.

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Old 04-08-2005, 01:13 PM
Saturnino Saturnino is offline
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We are not going anywhere with posts like this. We agree that Satan is behind most of the conspiracies, but my definition of idols is your obsession with Islam and Mohamed.

Christianity teaches that all who have not accepted Jesus are in fact spiritually blinded by Satan, and that only the Holy Spirit (which comes to live in the heart of the believer) can give man real understanding of spiritual things. That`s why so many smart people have no clue about spiritual things. Therefore, in our opinion, you Muslims are the ones blinded and being led by the devil.

So, I already see us trapped in a ping-pong game of "you are the one with the idol". You have started many threads that ended this way, which has been an annoyance in this forum.

BTW, I don`t think that Satan is the sole responsible for everything. People are evil by themselves, and they follow their evil desires when plotting their conspiracies. Satan just rides the waves, like a skillfull surfer in some cases, and directs people in some other cases.
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Old 04-08-2005, 02:16 PM
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Peace Markos,

"Therefore, in our opinion, you Muslims are the ones blinded and being led by the devil. "

Read my post again and you will see that i condemn the muslims as much as the christians. The muslims say that Muhammad is "the most honourable messenger" and when they make the pilgrimage to God's shrine in Mecca they also make it to Muhammad's tomb in medina.

The truth is, Satan is not that smart, he plays the same trick again and again and again!

There is a pattern and i hope someday you will see it before it's too late.

The Budhists worship a human being, the Christians and the Muslims do too, why?

Imagine if we all worship the same one god, wouldn't the world be a better place?

Satan lied to you, time to repent and acknowledge the one god, there is no savior coming, only you can save yourself.

Mark [9:37] whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.Ē
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Old 04-08-2005, 02:44 PM
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No shit! It's called the State. :-P
So pardon me while I burst into flames.
I\'ve had enough of the world and it\'s people\'s mindless games.
So pardon me while I burn, and rise above the flame. Pardon me, pardon me, I\'ll never be the same. -Brandon Boyd
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Old 04-09-2005, 04:16 PM
Saturnino Saturnino is offline
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Your message is a very confused one. You intent on saving yourself by your own efforts. You must think that God's standards are pretty low. We sin all the time, my friend. Interestingly, the only sin that you really respect is the one of worshipping Jesus, the only one you are afraid of.

The truth is that God said in the Bible that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. He also says that our good works are like filthy rags to Him, because they are stained at least to an extent with our pride and evil intentions. So, I am sad to say, all your efforts to save yourself will bring no salvation to you.

You say it would be good if we all acknoledged the same God. In fact, with the exception of Luciferians and Satanists who really hate God, and atheists who deny His existence, all people have some notion of who God is. In fact, even demons believe in God, and tremble. The question, Ahmad, is not if you believe in God or not, but if you are willing to play by His rules. If you don`t, he won`t accept you, works and all. And His rules are: you don`t get to Heaven by your efforts, you need forgiveness.
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Old 04-09-2005, 10:01 PM
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How else does one redeem their wickedness if not by their own efforts?

Set apart from the rest is the person who does not take the advice of the ungodly, nor interfere with sinners, nor takes residence with the disrespectful.

Your salvation is in the commandments; you must make the effort to understand the commandments.

If you do so you shall be upright and rooted firmly and all that you require shall be within your reach and all that you do will succeed.

Those that ignore the commandments shall not be so blessed. For them life is confused and difficult.

The ungodly reveal themselves in spirit and that spirit shall indeed cease to exist.

That was my interpretation of Psalm 1 and I think it still applies right now as it did then. If I was to take your advice Saturnino I would be left wondering the fate of all who lived before Jesus.

We love our faithful dogs. We excuse them for their less than desirable qualities because they are faithful to us. However, if our dogs turn on us and remain in such a state, what choice are we left with but to put them down?

We are like Godís dogs. God is merciful and understands our less than desirable qualities and if we remain faithful God rewards us.

Of course there is a little more to it than that (seeing how we are able to question our own actions), but I think this is an interesting way to understand God's relationship with His creatures.

Obviously we have all fallen short of the glory of God just in the same way that dogs are not human.

One thing I am curious of Saturnino is why you refer to Ahmad as a Muslim?
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Old 04-13-2005, 07:53 AM
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Someone asked me why I thought that you were a Muslim. Well, you presented yourself as one. Now you condemn Muslims. It is very confusing. What do you believe, after all ?

1) A simple question: you seem to be so sure about the need to save yourself. Where do you get this revelation ? Did you figure it out by yourself? Did you have a dream or a vision ? How can you be so sure about it?

I was shown Jesus to be the way to God by the Bible and the testimony of millions. What about your doctrine? Where did it come from?

Why do you avoid answering my question about how much of a sinner you are or how holy you have to be to be saved? Face it, Ahmad, you will never get what it takes by yourself. But it is a good thing you try, it makes you a better citizen here on this earth.

2) For the 100th time:

- God requires toal holiness that can only be accomplished by the substitute sacrifice of Jesus. When you die, it is Jesus` holiness that God sees in you, and because of that you are declared righteous and allowed to Heaven.

- No, this is no excuse for sinning. On the contrary, after receiving Jesus the believer must try harder than ever to be holy and good. But for gratitute, not to earn salvation.

Come on, Ahmad, don`t try to tell me that my faith leads me away from holiness. On the contrary, because of the Holy Spirit, it is easier for the Christian to abstain fromm sin than it is for you.
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