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Old 04-19-2005, 10:55 AM
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Excerpt from the article: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050223122458.htm

"The study (...) at the Stanford University School of Medicine, built on previous work showing that old muscles have the capacity to repair themselves but fail to do so.

In the Nature study, Rando and his group first attached old mice to their younger lab-mates in a way that caused the two mice to share a blood supply. They then induced muscle damage only in the older mice. Bathed in the presence of younger blood, the old muscles healed normally. In contrast, when old mice were connected to other old mice they healed slowly.

In similar work, the group examined the livers of older mice connected to younger lab-mates. The cells that help liver tissue regenerate are less active in older animals, but again the cells responded more robustly when the livers in older mice were bathed in the younger blood. Clearly, something in the youthful blood revived the regenerative cells in muscle and liver."

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Old 04-19-2005, 03:51 PM
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Hey John:

Don't know if you would be interested in reading about 'baby parts for sale'. It's just too deep for some to handle.

When you type in 'baby parts for sale', you'll find a slew of articles and sites.
I almost vomited.

Of course these had to do with aborted babies, but some of these babies were in full term!! (??)
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Old 04-19-2005, 08:21 PM
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You think too much there, John. You can expect the usual routine from us. The knock on the door at midnight and hauling you off to some federal undisclosed location never to see the light of day again. How dare you speak out against the government! You must be with Al-quaida. :-P
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Old 04-19-2005, 09:20 PM
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I am reading about 'baby parts for sale' right now and it is simply horrible. By far the most degrading way to view human life I've ever seen. This excerpt is probably one of the most chilling to me.

One day when she was working, “A set of twins at 24 weeks gestation was brought to us in a pan. They were both alive. The doctor came back and said, `Got you some good specimens, twins.' I looked at him and said, `There's something wrong here. They are moving. I don't do this. This is not in my contract.' I told him I would not be part of taking their lives. So he took a bottle of sterile water and poured it in the pan until the fluid came up over their mouths and noses, letting them drown. I left the room because I could not watch this.” But she did go back and dissect them after they were dead. She said, “That's when I decided it was wrong. I did not want to be there when that happened.” And then it happened again and again. “At 16 weeks, all the way up to sometimes even 30 weeks, and we had live births come back to us.” And then? “Then the doctor would either break the neck or take a pair of tongs and beat the fetus until it was dead.”
Quite sickening. My cousin, who is now 14 months old and adopted (I really love this baby ), could easily have been one of these babies had her biological mother had decided differently. Just brings it home to me.
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Old 04-19-2005, 10:32 PM
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I've read that before...i'm willing to believe it...health care workers can be ABSOLOUTLY ruthless and yet be shocked if you are shocked.

Should hear what they talk about once you're knocked out for your operation.

I came to be dead against abortion only in the last year.

I'd said many times to young women..."dont have IT, get an abortion, you're crazy".

Who was crazy?

I said this to a young female friend a couple of years ago...her boyfriend was a deadbeat and i thought..."oh yeh, more dead beats for the world"...

She was a Catholic (non practising kind) and went ahead. 9 months later beautiful Juliet was born. I held her in my arms as we walked back from a doctors appointment when she was 3 months old. Peacefully asleep and clutching my collar...as I gazed at her my friend said..."do you remember that you told me to have an abortion"...it hit me like a ton of bricks...could i now murder this child? I had to actually hold back tears it was so painful to realise something which now seemed so obvious.

That night I also happened to see "Passion Of The Christ" in the cinema. Without sounding to over the top...i cried my eyes out. One of those 'big awareness shift" moments that change your direction.

I dont know the exact answer...but i do KNOW that abortion is murder...pure and simple. Society has got to welcome life into this world and stop destroying it.

I have no doubts that infant organ dealing goes on...it just fits so well with all their other philosophical outlooks...humans as meat...as cattle...as a commodity.
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Old 04-20-2005, 01:51 AM
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Default Destruction of the World's Firstborn: Abortion's Hidden Agenda

<a href="http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/first_born.htm">Destruction of the World's Firstborn: Abortion's Hidden Agenda</a>

by Robert Howard

If you are happy in your life and content with what you have been taught and you feel that you have a grasp of what's going on in the world, then leave now. For ignorance truly is bliss. The material you are about to read could change every aspect of your belief system to the core.

In my research regarding Freemasonry and its involvement in the founding of this great country known as The United States of America and its influence in politics, education and religion. I have stumbled across some very disturbing facts.

(1) Regardless of claims to the contrary Freemasonry is a religion. This religion stems from the ancient Egyptian pagan worship of false gods/goddess Isis, Osiris, Rah and etc.


(2) Regardless of claims to the contrary the lower rank and files of Freemasonry do not know that the top 5% or 10% higher degree Masons worship Lucifer. Now before I get hate mail I said the top percentage. If you do not worship Lucifer/Satan then I am not talking about you.

Albert Pike, the most famous of all freemasons and the founder of the 33rd degree in masonry, also the founder of the KKK and this should be a red flag in itself is quoted as saying the following: "To you, Sovereign Grand Instructors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: 'the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the LUCIFERIAN Doctrine. . ." Albert Pike addressing the 23 Supreme Councils of the world on July 14, 1889.


(3) Regardless of claims to the contrary Freemasonry controls politics (democrat, republicans, etc), religion (wicca, mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, pagans, satanist, Billy Graham, etc), military, health field, the legal authorities, (supreme court, county courts, IRS, lawyers, judges, mayors, police, etc) all the media (Walt Disney, movies, tv, music industry, news papers, book publishers, encyclopedia britannica, and any form thereof that can sway public opinion) education, (museums, collages, public schools, etc) science and technology (IBM, AT&T, NASA, microsoft, etc) Intelligence agencies (CIA, MI6, FBI, KGB, etc) and that freemasonry is ultimately controlled by the Vatican/pope which in reality is the Caesar of Rome/Maximus Pontif/false prophet for the anti-christ.

see: United States Presidents and the Masonic Power Structure

(4) Regardless of claims to the contrary Freemasonry has been used to bring about Zep Tepi/The First Time of Osiris/The Golden Age/A New Order of the Ages/Novus Ordo Seclorum/New World Order/Globalization. Its all the same goal. To bring about the rule of the Anti-Christ/Lucifer/Satan. New World Order

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"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer." In other words, that mean old dirty God, the equal but opposite of Satan, despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. On page 567, Pike says that, while Satan created this world, the soul of man emanated from God, thus setting up a very long conflict between God and Satan. Then, Pike launches into a defiant and glorious defense of Lucifer. "Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not! for traditions are full of Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of one Age nor of one Creed. Plato and Philo also, were inspired." Morals and Dogma, p. 321. http://www.cuttingedge.org/free18.htm

End excerpt.

The above excerpt was taken from an article from Cutting Edge Ministries. After reading the above statement I went on a search for the book to verify it. After one year of searching I found and bought the book Morals and Dogma and that is exactly what it says. I have never been or wanted to be a Mason, but I sought out the truth of the above statement. There is no excuse for you Masons who have not.

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"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly handle energy." Manly P. Hall, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, p. 124.

End excerpt.

For more information on this Secret Society of the Freemasons see: Secret Societies

Matthew 4:8-9 (8: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.) Christ did not dispute the fact that Satan owned the kingdoms of the world.

So what does all this have to do with the destruction of the worlds firstborn? First I have to show you who is truly in charge of this system of things. Their manipulation of everything you see, hear and read. The control of information that is laid out before us. The creation of a mindset. The creation of psychology is to kill God. The creation of Evolution was to kill God. The removal of prayer from schools is to kill God from our public education.

If you do not believe in God then you are lost and you are right where they want you. You will not understand or believe this article. If you believe in God but not Satan, then once again you are lost. If you believe in a God but not in Jesus then you are truly lost. You can not believe in one and not the others. Lucifer/Satan has done everything in his power to hide the truth from you. Even if you go to church, chances are you are being taught lies. Is your church tax exempt? One of the qualifications for a tax exempt church is you cannot teach that your children belong to God instead of the state. Which of course true Christians know better. Don't you? Is Your Church a Part of The New World Order? If you have put your faith in a man, teacher, pastor, church, government, pope, or organization to protect or teach you the truth other than Jesus himself, then you will be lied to.

"Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6:12).

The most famous battle over the firstborns is of course in Egypt. Remember this is Egypt and freemasonry is a continuation of these pagan beliefs. Pharaoh, the king of Egypt refused to adhere to Gods command and it cost him and Egypt their firstborns.

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In the deliverance of Israel from Egypt, the dedication of the first-born was again commanded. While the children of Israel were in bondage to the Egyptians, the Lord directed Moses to go to Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and say, "Thus saith the Lord, Israel is My son, even My first-born: and I say unto thee, Let My son go, that he may serve Me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy first-born." Ex. 4:22, 23.

Moses delivered his message; but the proud king's answer was, "Who is the Lord, that I should obey His voice to let Israel go? I know not the Lord, neither will I let Israel go." Ex. 5:2. The Lord worked for His people by signs and wonders, sending terrible judgments upon Pharaoh. At length the destroying angel was bidden to slay the first-born of man and beast among the Egyptians. That the Israelites might be spared, they were directed to place upon their doorposts the blood of a slain lamb. Every house was to be marked, that when the angel came on his mission of death, he might pass over the homes of the Israelites.

After sending this judgment upon Egypt, the Lord said to Moses, "Sanctify unto Me all the first-born, . . . both of man and of beast: it is Mine;" "for on the day that I smote all the first-born in the land of Egypt I hallowed unto Me all the first-born in Israel, both man and beast: Mine shall they be: I am the Lord." Ex. 13:2; Num. 3:13. After the tabernacle service was established, the Lord chose the tribe of Levi in the place of the first-born of all Israel to minister in the sanctuary. But the first-born were still to be regarded as the Lord's, and were to be bought back by a ransom.

Thus the law for the presentation of the first-born was made particularly significant. While it was a memorial of the Lord's wonderful deliverance of the children of Israel, it prefigured a greater deliverance, to be wrought out by the only-begotten Son of God. As the blood sprinkled on the doorposts had saved the first-born of Israel, so the blood of Christ has power to save the world. http://www.egwestate.andrews.edu/da/da5.html

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This battle did not end here I assure you. It is still happening to this very day. This is what abortion is all about. The destruction of the first born with population control jumping on the bandwagon so to speak. The Population Control Agenda The Population Control Agenda. The Timeline

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God had warned Israel not to intermingle with the Canaanite tribes worshippers of Baal, Asherah, Molech and Ashteroth because they were practitioners of child sacrifice. The ancient Israelites were first enticed into sexual promiscuity through the worship of Baal and Asherah, the sun god and fertility goddess. The children of this generation grew up in a world in which pagan sex rituals were deemed "normal." Soon Israel was lured into worshipping Molech and Ashteroth, supposedly the same deities; but darker and more sinister, demanding human sacrifice. And like the ancient Israelites, 20th century Americans were first enticed by the sexual revolution of the 1960s; and just a few years later, at the time of Roe v. Wade in 1973, we codified abortion as a "fundamental right" and have since killed over one million unborn children each year. Whenever pagan sexual immorality is accepted, abortion and child sacrifice becomes a necessity in covering up the fruit of sin. massacre_of_innocence.htm

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History repeats itself. Always has and always will. Lucifer/Satan knows this and so do his followers. If you think some of our nations top leaders are not in the occult then you're head is in the sand.

Did you know Bill Clinton's chief campaign advisor James Carville was pictured ( in People's Magazine. p.50 ) wearing a pentagram in the middle of his forehead. Did you know Hillary Clinton, channels the spirits of the dead, and members of the House of Representatives warned Congress of “increasing evidence of a government-sponsored religion in America. They want to make Hillary the first woman president. Hillary Clinton Plans For The Presidency: Know The Real Hillary Clinton! The Story the Media Won't Report Did you know David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations is quoted as saying the following "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation."

These folks are serious people and I've only mentioned a few here, but there are thousands more and they will do whatever it takes to come out on top. Folks globalization is the New World Order and it is already here. This is the reign of the Anti-Christ foretold in Revelations. The only reason he hasn't reveled himself yet is because of those of us still here that will know him for what he is. Buckle your seat belts because its going to be a rough ride for some of you.

Lets look at some of the positive psychological traits of the first born. These examples are from books and various web articles.

Careers: Business, Research, Counseling, Promotion, Speaking
Strengths: Goal-setting, Compromise, Leadership
Parenting: Directs children towards goals
Social Contributions: Discoveries, Information, Dreams

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Frank Sulloway, author of the book BORN TO REBEL: Birth Order, Family Dynamics and Creative Lives and a scholar of birth order studies for over two decades, believes that birth order is one of the most powerful influences in the way that individuals react to the world. Sulloway contends that birth order fosters distinctive personality traits across families of different economic, social and ethic backgrounds. Beyond providing common themes between families, Sulloway suggests that birth order is also a good indicator to how a person accepts or rebels against the standards of society. Ambitious, tough-minded and socially dominant, firstborns tend to be the defenders of the status quo. While parents of the first newborn are usually responsible and diligent, they are also tentative, anxious and inconsistent—and to make up for this they may be demanding, strict, and overprotective. It has been shown that first borns talk and walk before children who are born later. As first borns grow up, these precocious abilities remain: they are the ones who go on to succeed in the world. They get higher grades in school and have higher leadership and achievement traits. They are conscientious, organized, dependable, accommodating, and persistent. While some first borns have a strong need for approval, so that they grow up pleasing people and taking care of others (often being taken advantage of in the process), other first borns are high achievers, hard driven and ruthless. One common characteristic of many first borns is that they tend to be perfectionists. They strive for unrealistic goals, don’t deal well with criticism, are devastated by failure, are frequently pessimistic, and take on so many responsibilities that things can go out of control. Asked if he's being hard on firstborns, Sulloway responds, "They're more successful in conventional aspects of life; in fact, they're more likely to be U.S. presidents." http://members.eisa.net.au/~santeri/fbolb.html

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Another Source: Oldest child:

Highest achievers; Highest IQ; Greatest educational success and fewest academic problems; Highest motivation and need for achievement; Over-represented among college students, graduate students, college faculty, and other learned groups; Most affiliative under stress; http://www.encouragingleadership.com/Birth_Order.htm

Are we allowing abortion to destroy our future leaders? The Highest achievers? The Highest IQ's? Future U.S. Presidents?

There is evidence that human life begins at conception. The fertilization of the egg. Not after six to eight weeks of development as pro-abortionists would like us to believe. Psychologist would also like us to believe that these traits of the first borns are developed by a series of circumstances determined by the surroundings of the environment while being raised with other siblings. This is a bold face lie. One or two of these traits perhaps, but not all of them. The best way to defend these statements is to look at research done by the U.S. Government in the 50's. Most of you if not all of you will have trouble believing the following information. I for one believe it and I have my reasons for believing it that I will not go into here. In producing this information I hope I don't loose any of my readers. Please stay with me. First a little background information that leads to the defense of the above statements.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 "Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out MANY INVENTIONS."

In 1943 the U.S. Government in an attempt to produce a navel vessel named the USS Eldridge at the Philadelphia Navy Yard, invisible to radar accidentally removed it from the space time continuum. This was done by creating an "electromagnetic bottle" which actually diverted radar waves around the ship. The objective was to make the ship un-detectable by radar. What happened was that the ship became invisible to the naked eye and reappeared in Norfolk Virginia, hundreds of miles away. This project became known as the Philadelphia Experiment/Rainbow Project. Yes they even made a movie about it. The best way to hide a secret is out in the open. It is what happened to the crew aboard this ship, during this experiment and how they came to the conclusion of getting around this side affect it has on people that is of interest to me as far as this article is concerned.

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While the USS Eldridge "moved" from the Philadelphia Navy Yard to Norfolk and back again, the crew found themselves in complete disorientation. They had left the physical universe and had no familiar surroundings to relate to. Upon their return to the Philadelphia Navy Yard, some were planted into the bulkheads of the ship itself. Those who survived were in a mental state of disorientation and absolute horror. The crew were subsequently discharged as "mentally unfit" after having spent considerable time in rehabilitation. The status of "mentally unfit" made it very convenient for their stories to be discredited. This put the Rainbow Project at a standstill. Although a major breakthrough had occurred, there was no certainty that human beings could survive further experimentation. It was to risky. Dr. John von Neumann, who headed the project, was now summoned to work on the Manhattan Project. Although it is not well known, vast research that began with the Rainbow Project was resumed in the late 1940's. It continued on, culminating with a hole being ripped through space-time at Montauk in 1983. (The Montauk Project. Experiments in time. Preston B. Nichols. pg 14.)

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So how did Dr. John von Neumann get around the human factor in his experiments? On page 50 of The Montauk Project. Experiments in time, Preston B. Nichols explains:

"Dr von Neumann had what could be described as a "good technical feel". He had the ability to apply advanced theories to technology. His background in math gave him enough theory to communicate with Einstein, and he could in turn pass this on to engineers and serve as a bridge between the two. As von Neumann began work on the Phoenix Project, he quickly learned that he was going to have to study metaphysics. He had to understand the metaphysical side of man. The Rainbow technology had dissolved the physical and biological structure of human beings. People were stuck in bulkheads and changed beyond recognition in some cases. But it was the esoteric workings of the mind that had been affected first, in each case. Von Neumann and his team spent about ten years working out why human beings had troubles with electromagnetic fields that shifted them through different places and times (aka time travel). They actually found out that humans are born with what is known as a "time reference" point. At conception, an energy being is attached to a time line and we all start from that point. To understand this, it is necessary to view the "energy being" or soul as distinct from the physical body of the person concerned. (This blows the Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine of man not having a soul and anyone else that believes man is nothing more than a physical being right out of the water. Einstein and Neumann both proved man was much more than a physical being.) Our whole reference as a physical and metaphysical being stems from that time reference which actually resides within the electromagnetic background of our planet. This time reference is the basic orientation point you have to the universe and the way it operates.

There you have it. Einstein and Neumann the greatest minds of the century, proved that at time of conception we are locked into the universe and the way it operates as God has created it. So you can see from this it isn't only our environment that determines our psychological make up, but also our time lock reference to the universe. So there are no second born first borns. This should be common sense. For those of you still having a problem believing the above projects took place or that it is even possible for man to phase in and out of a space time continuum or time travel I would ask you to consider the following. In believing in the Bible, God and Jesus and having the ability to read between the lines, one can accumulate a vast knowledge that lies hidden from most who just skim the surface. One such example is some fifteen years ago while discussing with my daughter why she has a belly button it suddenly occurred to me that since God created Adam and Eve and that they were not born of the flesh they would not have had belly buttons. So you see how something right there in the open can also be hidden.

Now take for example time travel. One only needs to be versed in the story of John while he was imprisoned on the Island of Patmos, when God took him in the Spirit to heaven and showed him the events to take place, which has become known in the Bible as Revelations. Revelations 4: 1: After this I looked, and behold a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. 2: And immediately I was in the spirit: and behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Even as a teenager I realized the implications of these two verses. Let me explain:

(1) John was taken in the spirit which indicates his fleshly time locked reference body remained behind. (2) As his spirit left the past, his spirit proceeded forward passing my time locked reference in the here and now, even as I type this sentence. (3) Proceeding even further forward to view future events of man in their future time locked reference. What all of this means is that the past, present and future exist and exist at the same time. It also suggests, that God exist in all time references at the same time and in his dealings with us on an individual basis, is done so in our time locked reference. Hence God knows of all future events. So ignoring warnings from God about the future of man as foretold in Revelations is suicide.

I hallowed unto Me all the first-born in Israel, both man and beast: Mine shall they be: I am the Lord." Ex. 13:2

Abortion must be stopped and exposed for what it is. The destruction of Gods first fruit/firstborns along with the other innocents aborted. Not to mention a form of population control. So in closing I will say this. If you do not speak up against abortion you are guilty of murder. If you are pro choice you are guilty of murder. If you sit on a bench and prosecute those who speak out against it, then you are guilty of murder. If you perform the abortion, you are guilty of murder. Abortion has a far more sinister agenda than you can imagine.

Update: For those of you who still maintains that no such agenda exists should read the following article by Joseph Farah. Big Brother is Here: The Oregon Senate has approved a plan to screen first-born children for medical and social problems, and the House is expected to follow suit.

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During the three years I was with Cox, he ritually impregnated and aborted me six times, consuming several of his own offspring and preserving the others shaped in ceramic for sale in his interstate occult body parts business. Cox's M. O. for murdering always included removing the hands with a machete, as the "Hands of Glory" he kiln-dried in the ceramic shop of his and his mothers house which were in demand and thus distributed throughout the occult underground supply network. Cox's protected cocaine and body parts distribution routes included Texas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Florida. (Trance Formation of America by Cathy O'Brien, pg. 103.)

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yeah, i read the same article and it was quite sickening... sometimes i think were as bad as the germans...lol...some sick people out there! unbelievable... and how can hese people live?! makes me so sick.
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