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Old 05-10-2005, 08:41 AM
nakedsnake nakedsnake is offline
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I see the Masonic symbols on your posts, what is your rank or affiliation in the movement???

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Old 05-10-2005, 10:55 AM
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Hey snake!

Why do you ask?

Have you already made up your mind?

Have you read my posts?

What "Masonic" symbols are you referring to?
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Old 05-10-2005, 03:00 PM
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Im asking because, im curious as to the symbols the flag with the eagle, the crown under your name, I glanced over some of your posts as they were attached to topics I was reading.
I don't understand the comment as to have I made up my mind? about what? What am I suppossed to make up my mind about?
the question was straight forward are you a Mason?
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Old 05-10-2005, 04:19 PM
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No, I'm not a Mason.

I've never been offered to become a Mason.

At one stage I was fascinated with Freemasonry and started researching it - now it's something like 10 years ago - and the more I found out the more I was glad I wasn't fascinated enough to join.

The crown is the <a href="http://home.hu.inter.net/~jekely/crown.htm">Holy Crown of Hungary</a>.

The "eagle" is actually a <a href="http://www.hunmagyar.org/hungary/myth/turul.html">turul bird</a>, a mythical bird of prey, which is an important symbol of the Magyars.

These symbols have nothing to do with Masonry. They are much older.

Lately, people have insinuated that I could/might have Masonic/Illuminati sympathies, by people who should know me better than that, and your questions sounded like you insinuated things in the same direction, therefore my suspicion. I apologize if my initial assumption was wrong. I guess I'm just tired of being the subject of suspicion.
I know my reasons for writing what I write are genuine.

I read and try to understand a lot of esoteric, religious texts and study mythology a lot. You could say I'm a Traditionalist, as opposed to a Modernist.

I can't say I agree a 100% with the Christian doctrine, but I agree with most of it. I also highly respect other traditions based on a genuine knowledge of God, so I don't exclude Vedic, Muslim, ancient Chinese, Native American or Norse traditions and beliefs.

There's me in a nutshell - what about you?
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Old 05-10-2005, 05:02 PM
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I can't say I agree a 100% with the Christian doctrine, but I agree with most of it. I also highly respect other traditions based on a genuine knowledge of God

There's me in a nutshell - what about you?
I was asking because of the symbols, and mainly because I was curious as to your esoteric posts.
I was an atheist, and am now a Christian.
The thing about Christianity is that it is a historical movement based on a historical person, powered by a supernatural historical event; namely the resurrection.
so to be intellectually honest with the Christian movement you can't be selective, you either accept it or reject it.
Being highly respectful of other traditions, while admirable might not lead you to truth.
You state other traditions based on an genuine knowledge of God, how do we determine what is genuine and what is false?
sincerety of belief does not make it genuine knowledge of the divine.
we cannot know the transcendent unless he takes the first step and reveals himself to us, this is the claim of Christianity that he revealed himself to us in his son and in no other way, this absolute exclusive claim to the divine is offensive to many people, they say it is intolerrant.
But it is confirmed by his resurrection from the dead, a historical event.
Truth is by nature exclusive.
I would advise any lover of truth and any sincere seeker of the divine, to look at the life, claims, death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Because if he rose from the dead, he speaks the words of God for God, and if he claimed exclusivity to that, then all else by definition is false.
And truth about God is the ultimate truth.
I hope a seeker such as yourself friend takes the invitation.

With all due respects.. Snake
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Old 05-10-2005, 05:14 PM
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Draken..
For more about me see this post...

http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1287&forum=16&PHPSESSID=30e d91a61749fea0b78b98c83d10c006
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Old 05-11-2005, 05:05 AM
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I was asking because of the symbols, and mainly because I was curious as to your esoteric posts.
I was an atheist, and am now a Christian.
The thing about Christianity is that it is a historical movement based on a historical person, powered by a supernatural historical event; namely the resurrection.
so to be intellectually honest with the Christian movement you can't be selective, you either accept it or reject it.
Being highly respectful of other traditions, while admirable might not lead you to truth.
You state other traditions based on an genuine knowledge of God, how do we determine what is genuine and what is false?
sincerety of belief does not make it genuine knowledge of the divine.
we cannot know the transcendent unless he takes the first step and reveals himself to us, this is the claim of Christianity that he revealed himself to us in his son and in no other way, this absolute exclusive claim to the divine is offensive to many people, they say it is intolerrant.
But it is confirmed by his resurrection from the dead, a historical event.
Truth is by nature exclusive.
I would advise any lover of truth and any sincere seeker of the divine, to look at the life, claims, death and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Because if he rose from the dead, he speaks the words of God for God, and if he claimed exclusivity to that, then all else by definition is false.
And truth about God is the ultimate truth.
I hope a seeker such as yourself friend takes the invitation.

With all due respects.. Snake
Valid points there, Ahmad.

Snake, if you ask me to reject other traditional wisdom for the exlcusive benefit of Christianity you're asking in vain.
I don't have to reject other doctrines to be able to appreciate the teaching of Jesus.

I know I don't reject the teaching of Jesus, but I've noticed it's quite difficult to explain to people over the net.
When i read the NT I see other aspects than just the obvious. I don't take every word in the NT literally. You might think that that is rejecting the message or reading things into the text that isn't there, but that's your opinion. There are more than one way to understand the NT and the teachings of Jesus.

I see the teachings of Jesus in other religious/spiritual doctrines, not just in the Christian doctrine.

You ask how we can know what's genuine and what's false.

Certainly not through logical, rational thinking. There's a Sufi saying:

"Searching for God through logical proof is like searching for the sun with a lamp."

I can't answer your question, because I can't through logical arguments and rational thinking explain how I think and what my experiences are and have been.

One thing I forgot to mention in my brief presentation of myself are people who inspired me. A few of these are important to mention, like Frithjof Schuon, Julius Evola, René Guénon et al. These people belong to an informal "school" of thought called "Traditionalists". Their philosophy is what Guénon calls the "primordial tradition". I've posted quite a lot of articles as an attempt to introduce people coming to this forum to these ideas.
If you're interested check out my <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=590&forum=3&PHPSESSID=6e442 3786b933071d13c4d53ae99061a">INTEGRAL TRADITION</a>, <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=677&forum=3&PHPSESSID=6e442 3786b933071d13c4d53ae99061a">SOLIPSISM - KALI-YUGA - RIGHT-WING ATTITUDE</a>, <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=601&forum=2&PHPSESSID=6e442 3786b933071d13c4d53ae99061a">Individual, Spiritual Resistance To Ego & NWO</a>, <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1259&forum=17&PHPSESSID=6e4 423786b933071d13c4d53ae99061a">The System of Antichrist and September 11 by Charles Upton</a> threads, along with my more political, factual threads <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1052&forum=2&PHPSESSID=6e44 23786b933071d13c4d53ae99061a">Marxist Cultural Subversion According to Gramsci</a> and my thread on <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=545&forum=17&PHPSESSID=6e44 23786b933071d13c4d53ae99061a">COMMUNISM</a>.

You say truth is by nature exclusive. I don't understand what you mean by that statement. Exclusive? Excluding who?
I would say there's relative truth and there's absolute, Universal Truth. Relative truth could be "exclusive", whatever we decide that is. Absolute, Univeral Truth, on the other hand, is actually the opposite: it's ALL INCLUSIVE. There is only One.

In conclusion, I totally accept the resurrection of Christ. That does not mean all other spiritual teachings are wrong. Neither does it mean your understanding of the resurrection of Christ is identical to mine.

I will shortly be leaving this forum for a while; I need to gather my thoughts on how to go on in my life. I feel I've said what I wanted to say, for now at least.
My plan is to wrap up discussions I'm in the middle of at the moment and to post a "goodbye for now"-post before I leave, and come back in a few months' time.
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