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Old 12-13-2008, 11:37 PM
NotThe1 NotThe1 is offline
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Default ISSUE IN-DEPTH: HEALTH CARE REFORM: There is a cure available for current plan


The report last week that the U.S. economy lost nearly 2 million jobs this year, and 533,000 jobs in November alone, sent shudders through our nation’s households. That’s the biggest one-month plunge in jobs in 34 years. “Horrendous” was how one economist put it, while others said the number of unemployed, and underemployed, could easily double over the next year.

These job losses spell disaster disaster for our health. Millions of people are losing their employer-sponsored health insurance, joining the 46 million who already lack coverage. Millions more are finding it harder to pay their co-pays and deductibles and are scrimping on their medications and doctor
visits. Many go without care, risking their health and often their very lives.

In short, affordable health care has never been more urgently needed. Yet most of the health reform proposals coming out of Washington these days won’t get us there.

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) recently unveiled his proposals for incremental health reform, which largely mirror the ideas of President-elect Barack Obama and Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.).

However well-intentioned, the Obama/Baucus/Kennedy approaches share a fatal flaw: they preserve a central role for the private health insurance industry.

To varying degrees, they would mandate that everyone buy private
health insurance —- the private insurance that is failing us today. Some of these plans offer a Medicare-like, public option that people could buy into, but experience with Medicare shows that the private plans refuse to compete on a level playing field. They cherry-pick healthier patients and insist on more than their share of payment.

Experience with mandate-based plans in Washington state (1993), Oregon (1992) and Massachusetts (1988 and today) shows that they simply don’t work, achieving neither universal health care nor cost containment.
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As long as we rely on private health insurers, universal coverage will be unaffordable. These companies generate immense overhead costs and force doctors and hospitals to spend heavily on billing billing and paperwork.

Administration consumes about one-third of every health care dollar in the U.S. By contrast, in countries with nonprofit national health insurance
insurance , administrative costs consume only half that amount.
HEALTH CARE REFORM: There is a cure available for current plan

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Old 12-13-2008, 11:49 PM
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Default Re: ISSUE IN-DEPTH: HEALTH CARE REFORM: There is a cure available for current plan

Boy, they sure have dug a very deep hole, haven't they?

Do you think there is any way of crawling out of it any time soon?

As if Obama is going to take over the reigns of the disaster Bush and Company created and make it all go away in the blink of an eye.

I'm really tired of hearing the BS about health care for all Americans.

I'm 52 years old and this proposal has been talked about for most probably as long as I've been alive.

It's ridiculous.

All talk and no action.

I'm sick of hearing about this plan and that plan to provide health insurance for all Americans.

Either put up or shut up.

Don't keep stringing us along.

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Old 12-13-2008, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: ISSUE IN-DEPTH: HEALTH CARE REFORM: There is a cure available for current plan

Boy, they sure have dug a very deep hole for the American citizens, haven't they?

Just the same as they orchestrate all over the world.

Do you think there is any way of crawling out of it any time soon?

As if Obama is going to take over the reigns of the disaster Bush and Company created and make it all go away in the blink of an eye.

I'm really tired of hearing the BS about health care for all Americans.

I'm 52 years old and this proposal has been talked about for most probably as long as I've been alive.

It's ridiculous.

All talk and no action.

I'm sick of hearing about this plan and that plan to provide health insurance for all Americans.

Either put up or shut up.

Don't keep stringing us along.

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Old 01-29-2009, 01:01 PM
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Default Re: ISSUE IN-DEPTH: HEALTH CARE REFORM: There is a cure available for current plan

Universal health care will be a disaster, if they model it after Canada's system. There is a reason why tens of thousands of Canadians come to the US for medical care every year. They simply can't get it in their own country.

My paternal grandmother died because of the Canadian Medicare system. She was denied surgery for a hernia, because it wasn't life threatening. So, the hernia strangulated, she got gangrene, and she died.

The British system or the German system wouldn't be so bad. At least there, you can purchase insurance to get more than what the government plan allows. In Canada, it is illegal to sell such insurance.

Of course, if we go to a socialized system (and that is why YOU are advocating, regardless of why you call it), we will lose much of the medical innovation that has always been a big part of American medicine. there will be no reason to innovate, because nobody will be able to make a profit. So, we will become jus tlike Britain and Canada, very few medical advances any nore, just the same ole thing.

Havinf lived under socialized medicine in Canada (I am a dual citizen of the US & Canada), and having sopent many years in Eurrope, I sincerley hope that we NEVER go that route.

I can promose you, if government controls medicine, it will cost a LOT more than if run by private companies. The government always costs more, whenever it does anything that private industry can do. The government has never saved a penney, in providing anything at all.

It is a pipe dream to believe that the government will do it all at a lower cost. Look at Medicare here, it costs at least 30% more than private insurance, for less coverage.
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Old 01-29-2009, 01:02 PM
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I appologize for my typing. I should not hurry, and I should have proof read the above.
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Old 01-29-2009, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: ISSUE IN-DEPTH: HEALTH CARE REFORM: There is a cure available for current plan

I'm a proponent for Universal Health Care that provides in some way, shape or form a medical system for those who are without.

Children, the poor, elderly, etc.

Those of us who have health care through our employer, self-employed and otherwise would not qualify.
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