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Old 05-17-2005, 05:54 AM
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And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

The Word British in Hebrew, means Covenant man, as does the Welsh. Covenant man? An Israelite?

Official historical records, both domestic and foreign, including at least four official Vatican documents, confirm that Joseph of Arimathaea fled the Holy Land with Mary the mother of Jesus and others; came to England; settled and was eventually buried, along with Virgin Mary, in Glastonbury after the Crucifixion of Jesus the Nazarite (NOT of NAZARETH - Nazarite means little fish), during the vicious persecution of the first followers of THE NEW WAY.

A Christian legend says:

When he was a child, Jesus visited Glastonbury
with his uncle, Joseph of Arimathea. It's simply a co-incedence that Glastonbury is one of the sites of the worlds most famous version of Uriel's Machine.

It is also said:

That Jesus did not really die on the cross, but rather he was revived and then secretly smuggled out of Palestine by an inner circle of disciples (eventually to be stoned to death on the site that is now St Paul's Cathedral). Once recovered he embarked on a world-wide preaching mission.

The Union Jack is called the Union Jack because it is the flag of the "Union of Jack-ob Israel"

The Christ's flag, The Celtic/Saxon flags with their upright and diagonal crosses
are the flags of the ten "lost" tribes of Israel; of which the Union of Jack(ob)/Israel's flag is Christ's own personal flag, just as the British Throne Jack(ob)'s Pillar/Bethel/the Lia Fail/Stone of Destiny is shortly to become Christ's Throne.


The flag consists of two letters: Firstly the "tau" appears as an upright cross + and, consequently, as the only possible way to "tau a tau", or "cross a cross", is to put one cross diagonally over the other.

These two letters are "aleph" and "tau", and in the original Hebrew alphabet aleph appears as a diagonal cross x and tau as an upright cross +. Thus, when combined as a symbol to express the idea of the Eternal God, they would appear like the protective mark referred to above, which is identical with the crossed cross of Britannia's shield; the flags of the Celtic/Israelites in Northern Spain and Christ's flag the Union Jack.


Anyone wanna see my tattoo? a tattoo that you will never ever see in any tattoo parlour.

Well somebody has asked what my beleifs are, I thought I'd start with the basics.

Good old Joshua Ben Joseph!

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Old 05-17-2005, 07:25 AM
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It seems your headed to some sort of hybrid view of British-Israelism, and Morevigian Bloodline of Jesus view. These historical records, what are the sources?

Christian legend?, sounds more like a Gnostic, Masonic legend.

This survival of the crucifixion, and world wide preaching mission, where's the evidence what are the historical sources?

Any view of Jesus with no historical verification, that flies in the face of known history is fanciful myths.

And you still haven't answered my questions...
Yeoshua..

The questions remain maybe you missed them...

Do you think the higher degrees might be misleading you?

Since they are higher rank and world traveled Masons, and in some cases revered as Masonic authorities, do you think they might have some insight that you do not have?

http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1328&forum=26&post_id=10670
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Old 05-17-2005, 07:52 AM
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You're damn right it's a very Gnostic belief.

The Gnostics were early followers of "The Way" (Christ) who believed that followers of The One God should not merely revere Christ, but strive to emulate him, in every thought, word and deed. They sought to describe this emulation in philosophical terms, as a method of practice. As the early Roman church formulated its canons, the Gnostics were eventually considered willful heretics, opposed to turning their lives over to God as a matter of faith. To become a true believer, the early church leaders claimed, one had to forego understanding and analysis and be content to live life through divine revelation, adhering to God's Will moment by moment. The churchmen did this in order to sustain their control over the people. They wished to keep His True Teachings and overall plan from the public, so people would be deceived into thinking that they had to go to the churchmen to find God, rather than learning to look within and find the Divine within themselves as Christ's Message to the world had been.

You're also right on the money that is a very Masonic view too - although not of many junior brethren. Or of Scottish rite Freemasonry. In fact, ritaul does very well to demonstrate much of this fact by veiling it in allegory.
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Old 05-17-2005, 08:10 AM
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Yeoshua,

Your on point when you say that the Roman Catholic monopoly wanted to turn the truth of Christ in to a control system, they persecuted Gnostics, Cathars and Christians who did not want to bow down to their interpretation of God.

Bu the Gnostic and Masonic belief of Christ is flawed, it is historically incorrect, the early Christians before Rome described the Gnostic way as a false version of Christianity...

Paul said... Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding irreverent, empty speech and contradictions from the "knowledge" that falsely bears that name. by professing it, some people have deviated from the Faith.
1st Timothy 6:20, 21

The true teachings of Christ were recorded by his followers in the New Testament, if your facts about Christ contradict the first source, you hold the burden of proof as to why your assumptions are correct, when it flies in the face of known history.
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Old 05-17-2005, 08:19 AM
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On what proof do you believe it is flawed?

I feel you need to do more research beginning with the Dead Sea Scrolls, casting more than a fleeting eye (sic) over the Old Testament and finding succour in the books of Ezekiel and Euclid.

Ahmad can point you in the right direction I'm sure.
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Old 05-17-2005, 08:22 AM
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The true teachings of Christ were recorded by his followers in the New Testament, if your facts about Christ contradict the first source, you hold the burden of proof as to why your assumptions are correct, when it flies in the face of known history.
I can't believe you've just had the minerals to write that!

The words TRUE and NEW and TESTAMENT shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

How can anyone say that the New Teastament records any true teachings of anyone?

The Vatican did a belting job of writing a complete work of fiction in the New Testament, and they rely on the planet's simpletons to take the thing literally.
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Old 05-17-2005, 08:32 AM
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The Dead Sea scrolls repeat teachings that were discreted in the first century, they are nothing new, the Vatican did not write or rewrite the New Testament, the historical manuscripts that date to within 30 years after the ressurection, which are in Museums all over the world over 5000 manuscripts that is my proof.
Where is yours?

This survival of the crucifixion, and world wide preaching mission, where's the evidence what are the historical sources?

I do extensive research and far from a simpleton,
The VERIFIABLE historical evidence favors the side of the true Christ, not the Gnostic fraud.
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Old 05-18-2005, 05:07 AM
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I also want to point out to you that Jesus knew where the rest of the house of Israel was, also. He spoke to the "strangers of the dispersion." He knew where the household of Ephraim was, "and Israel his companions" - and He sailed on the ships of Joseph of Arimathea, when in His young manhood and boyhood He sailed to Britain and back, and He knew that in Western Europe was the household of His calling. He knew where they had migrated to. In fact, there is a lot of secular record concerning the youth of Christ and concerning His young manhood and concerning His identification and His travels among His people, inside the real house of Israel.
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http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/swift/mystrey-of-iniquity.html
i thought it might help.i still find that wesley got it right.if not please say so.a lot of times the opposite is what happened.so where do you guys think the lost tribes are? :-)
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Old 05-18-2005, 07:01 AM
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in His young manhood and boyhood He sailed to Britain and back, and He knew that in Western Europe was the household of His calling. He knew where they had migrated to. In fact, there is a lot of secular record concerning the youth of Christ and concerning His young manhood and concerning His identification and His travels among His people, inside the real house of Israel.
Eddie, I read the link.
There is one problem, you mention lots of secular record, but I see no sources.
I see scripture twisting, conjecture, and pseudo history.
Yeoshua rips the scriptures, says the Roman Church altered them, and then uses them (Twisting their meaning) as a source.
The problem I see running in this thread and in CC as a whole is lack of documentation.
It figueres when you learn history from a Craft, that admits deceiving their own adepts.
God does not lie, if your Craft deceives you, you must ask yourself why?
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