A challenge!

Yeoshua · #1 01-13-2005, 07:09 AM

As a new member and poster, I thought I wouldn't mess about, I'm going to get straight on with it.

I believe, probably more than most of you.

However, I challenge any one of you to come up with solid facts - Not based on speculation and conjecture, why Freemasonry is allegedly evil.

If the globalist masters pertain to be Freemasons, they certainly aren't recognised by real Freemasons (United Grand Lodge of England).

You are all pointing a finger at Freemasons as the architects and engineers of the NWO, provide me with proof, and I will provide you proof that you are wrong.

I am a Master Mason and proud. I am poor, honest and of good repute in my community. I swore an oath on the Bible and I believe in God.

I look forward to continuing to post here, and healthy, good discussion, I will never offend and respect your opinions. May I request the same courtesy?

madkhao · #2 01-13-2005, 07:38 AM

I'm sorry, could you specify what it is you 'believe' more than most of us? Thankyou.

Yeoshua · #3 01-13-2005, 08:19 AM

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madkhao wrote:
I'm sorry, could you specify what it is you 'believe' more than most of us? Thankyou.

Specify? I doubt it, but I'll try.

Hollow earth theory, Planned depopulation, Human Genome Project, MKULTRA, HAARP, Chemtrials, Microwave mind control, Eugenics, Vaccination Assault on the Species, Fortress Europe, Mantauk, Uriel's Machine, Coral Castle, The perceptible world, Trilateral Commision, Dominant Gene, Origins of Humankind, The bloodline of The Christ, Planet X, Apollo 11, 9/11, Lucis Trust, The Men Who Stare at Goats, 1st Earth Batallion to name but a few........

Madkhao - don't take it as a personal slur - please.

madkhao · #4 01-13-2005, 08:45 AM

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Madkhao - don't take it as a personal slur - please.

Don't worry, I wasn't. I just wanted to know what your beliefs are.

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Hollow earth theory, Planned depopulation, Human Genome Project, MKULTRA, HAARP, Chemtrials, Microwave mind control, Eugenics, Vaccination Assault on the Species, Fortress Europe, Mantauk, Uriel's Machine, Coral Castle, The perceptible world, Trilateral Commision, Dominant Gene, Origins of Humankind, The bloodline of The Christ, Planet X, Apollo 11, 9/11, Lucis Trust, The Men Who Stare at Goats, Earth Batallion 1 to name but a few........

To be honest, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here. Are you serious?? Is this really what you believe in? I have to know for sure before I flip out on you..

Yeoshua · #5 01-13-2005, 09:06 AM

I'm being serious, there's a whole world out there that I am personally tring to interpret and possibly write about, but please don't wag the finger of blame at TRUE Freemasonry.

The fat cat bastards who control this world might play at being Freemasons, they might try to adopt the mantle of masonry, the governemts, cartels, bankers, Illuminati - whatever you want to call the feckers, please don't call them true Freemasons.

They might call themselves 33rd degree masons - I'm telling you this as a fact, there are only 3 degrees to true Freemasonry.

If you are really interested about TRUE Freemasonry:
http://www.bradford.ac.uk/webofhiram

Also try to read "The Hiram Key" By Knight and Lomas

Ahmad · #6 01-13-2005, 09:16 AM

Peace Yeoshua,

I am against generalizing, many well meaning people join all kinds of societies, sects, religions for different reasons, we shouldn't condemn or label anybody before knowing him i believe.

I just have two concerns for now, and please don't take it as an interrogation, i am trying to understand,

If there are masters, there must be slaves!, how would this hierarchy benefit anyone, do you think a healthy relationship can be based on inequality?

Also, why do you have secrets? why would anybody hide something?

Thanks
Ahmad

Ahmad · #7 01-13-2005, 07:40 AM

Peace Yeoshua,

I for one don't know much about freemasonry. I just wonder, do you people believe in one god, multiple gods or what exactly?

Yeoshua · #8 01-13-2005, 08:08 AM

One of the pre requisites to join Masonry is the belief in 'A Higher Being', so it does require a monotheistic belief.

It is open to all faiths.

Not to offend any of the faiths within the lodge, the God is called Great Architect of The Universe (GATOU).

Simply because I swore my oath in a predominatly Christian lodge, I swore it over the Bible, but in other contries, provinces or regions you swear over the appropriate book (Volume of Sacred Law VSL) so the Torah, Koran etc.....

Hope this helps.

Yours

Aye

Ahmad · #9 01-13-2005, 08:20 AM

What is your definition of good and evil ?

DarkChilde3D · #10 01-13-2005, 08:23 AM

I cannot state PROOF, but only that which I believe.

I saw a freemason ritual (DeMolay, which are, generally, junior masons) and I SENSED the mockery of a religious ritual in progress.

At first, I said to myself, 'okay, ya know what, its a frat club, is all, and everything will be okay.'

However, everytime I went to one of them, I'd pull words and phrases out that just seemed 'wrong,' so I decided to do a little bit of research at the library.

And then there were the symbols. I saw a pentogram . . . that's not cool to a Catholic . . .

And so, after I researched a few different things, I said, 'fuck it, lets look for books on satanism.'

And guess what I found . . . I found that a lot of the 'code words' that they used were actually derivatives of phrases that were written by the likes of Crowly and LaVey . . . Alisdair Crowly being what he was, and Anton Szandor Lavey, being the self-proclaimed 'black pope of satanism' (who, by the way, humored me that he used to be a caliopy player)

Its a big cult . . . without all the inconveniences of having the leader sleep with yours and everyone elses wives, while you go to work just to sign your check over to some lunatic who has a way with words. Its even bigger than Jehovas Witnesses . . . which in and of itself isn't BAD, it just doesn't seem right.

And then there was all this stuff about brotherhood, and never EVER letting a brother get into trouble . . . well, if a brother of mine robbed a bank and killed 20 people . . . does that mean if I knew it was him, am I expected to go down with him if he told me and I did nothing? That would make me an accomplice, wouldn't it?

Looking back at it now, if I were to stick with it, I'd probably be in a much better working position, making a hell of a lot more money than I am now. But is my eternal soul worth the temporary life down on earth?

And the points of view that was suggested that I had to believe in, even if I didn't agree with it? Isn't that just a bit one sided? I mean Catholics debate each other, they scrutinize the church, hell the church scrutinizes God . . . at least there is free will, even with the church. I just will myself to do the right instead of the wrong.

It's not proof, but its what I believe, and that's what was asked, right? Why we believe the masons are generally bad?