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Old 07-25-2005, 06:26 AM
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Prepare yourselves for the Police State, British friends.
The poor Jean Charles de Menezes was a nice person, a guy devoted to his family that was legally working for some time in London, sending money to his elderly parents in Brazil. He was loved by all. You should see the state his poor,, old mother is. Of course, they will not show this in the UK or the US.
Now he is dead, as dead is freedom and security in the island of Masonry, Witchcraft, Rothschilds and the Illuminati.
Myself, I am not setting foot on UK in my life again. Ever.
Jean didn`t look at all like a Muslim or a Middle Eastern. The police just had to show off so people would think they were working.
Poor British people now will have to be careful with what kind of coat they wear, if they are looking properly well, if they have shaved, or they can be shot. License to kill, that's what it is.
It is starting..first the terrorism suspects, then any dissident.
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Old 07-25-2005, 09:16 AM
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Saturnino,

What are the details on this man from your end?

The reports I have been getting was this was a targetted killing.

Is it possible he was working for an intelligence group? An informent?

Thousands of people are employed by the intelligence services. Was he possibly involved in drug dealing?

It sounds AWFULLY like this man was a "loose end".

He knew something.

The reports I got were that he was followed from home.

He jumped a toll gate and ran for the train. "Plain clothes" (sas counter terrorism?) "piled on top of him" and then shot him 5 times in the head.

When you suspect someone is a "suicide bomber" you do not "pile on top of him". You empty your clip into him at the first oppurtunity. You do not wait for a clear shot. The point is to kill the suspect not chase him then pile on top of him.

Just ask the Israeli Defense Force. Ever hear of them "piling on top" of the suspect before killing him?

This just does'nt add up.

If the facts are as I have stated...this man knew something and he was gotton rid of. Something will come out of this.

That there is something more to this is self evident.
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Old 07-25-2005, 09:28 AM
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"I wonder what would have happened if Jean Charles had gotten onto a train and detonated a bomb? I wonder if people would now be saying, "How could the police have let this very suspicious-looking man escape? How could they not have stopped him from killing all these people?"

We are all living in very difficult times, were walking the streets of our cities, going about our business can get us killed.

I wish Jean Charles had stopped. I wish Jean Charles had raised his hands and laid flat on the floor. I wish he could have explained why he was at that house and shown that he did not have a bomb beneath his clothing.

But he didn't. For some reason, he ran. And by running, the police believed their suspicions were correct and used force to stop him.

I still want to know why he was shot on the ground? Did he still not submit? Did he appear to be trying to reach for something inside his coat...like a detonator? Did the policeman who shot him believe he and the people around him were going to die in another terrorist bomb?

Something went terribly and tragically wrong on both sides of this coin."

If I were in a simular situation where police and guns are targeted at me.....

1. Shit my pants
2. freeze like a rose dipped in Nitrogen.
3. spread out like skydiver.
4. piss my pants.
5. listen to EVERY thing they tell me to do.
6. do Exactly what they tell me to do.

or..I could just RUN ( because Im innocent and have no reason to be cornerd..yea..thats what I do when coppers try to pull me over when I know ive done nothing wrong..Put the peddal to the metal ! )

get real..something caused this man to do what he did..and personally if I thought I was gonna get blown to smitherines by the actions of someone..Id get a little twitchy too.

or maybee im missing something here...

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Old 07-25-2005, 10:31 AM
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Drake,
The policemen were NOT in uniform. If a bunch of guys start to yell at you what would you do ? ANYONE would run. I would.
This action is just an example of the total lack of concern the NWO has for human lives. All the decent norms that have been accepted for centuries, like declaring someone guilty only after evidence, are falling to the ground. Now they kill whoever they want, they imprison whoever they want, for any reason they want and the sheep applaud as they go to the slaughter tomorrow.

They subdued the man, forced him to the ground and shot him in the head, execution style, with five bullets in the head ! That`s gross...and they still say that Brazil is the uncivilized country.
I am shocked at so many silly, stupid British people who are supporting the police. Don`t they know that they, or their relatives, or their friends will be next ? How easily they give up all their rights !

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The guy was just making some money and having some fun in Europe, like many young people do. He actually told his cousin some days ago he was going to buy a bicycle because he was afraid of the bombings in the subway !!!
Did he know anything about the cover up ? Who knows? Maybe by accident. He was just a young guy travelling the world, making money to pay for the health treatment of his elderly parents. A good son who had been to Brazil only some months ago. I don`t believe there is anything else, but a police told to shoot at will to show off.
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Old 07-25-2005, 11:00 AM
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Its Dreak..not Drake .. hehe.. Im not a dragon m8..

With all due respect..

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The policemen were NOT in uniform. If a bunch of guys start to yell at you what would you do ? ANYONE would run. I would.
As if a bunch of guys would do that in the first place..In public..with guns..well Im fucked anyway. ( for some unknown reason )

Your gonna be in the tunnel a week or two after a "terrorist bombing" .. then have some "undercover" peeps ( or whoever peeps ) with guns Tell you to Freeze and lie down..your gonna run ? erm..I wont..Its a public place..I dont think Im some kinda Drug lord or Terrorist..or whatever..so your assumption is wrong.

Did these police out of uniform "yell" the man to "freeze its the police ?" or just yell at him some uncomprehendible african language that he didnt understand ?

Even I can understand that when Im in a "place of high security" like the freaking Airport..dont RUN from ANYONE !! who cares who they are..if you run In the Airport from a bunch of men ( not even describing themselves as law enforcement ) you gonna RUN ? ..well you deserve to have a couple bullets in your mush-mellon for being so F'ing stupid.

Or are you gonna tell me If your in the Airport..and a "bunch of guys" start chasing you and tellin you to get the fuck on the floor..Your Gonna RUN ?

Much less a "Tube" that was just bombed..

Your story is weak..no..more like foolish !

RUN in the bronx !! ...dont RUN in the Airport !..or a just freashly bombed fucking mass transit train !!

Unless you want to be shot !

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Old 07-25-2005, 11:53 AM
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Dreak,

It is thinking like yours that is getting the world in the mess we are now. They just can`t see behind what has happened, they can`t see the implications. They live in the here and now.

Running is not a reason to be killed, especially if you are unarmed, and stuck to the ground with a gorilla holding you. If you didn`t commit a crime, you don`t have to stop. The guy was executed with 7 shots in the head, AFTER he was on the ground. There is no excuse for what they did. It is just more ridiculous when you think that he was allowed to climb a BUS before going to the metro station. If he was a terrorist, why not arrest him before that ?

The implications of this, my friend, is that they are testing the limits of the public. Now they know they can do anything they want, because people like you say that if people don`t act like sheep, they deserve to die. Next the British will have their national ID, total control in society, walking like scared sheep with their heads down.

And to think Blair and the MI5 did it...

Amazing.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:11 PM
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It is thinking like yours that is getting the world in the mess we are now. They just can`t see behind what has happened, they can`t see the implications. They live in the here and now.
Gee you really think so ?

Im just asking for proof..If asking for more Truth is the problem then yea..Im a part of the mess here..

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The guy was executed with 7 shots in the head, AFTER he was on the ground. There is no excuse for what they did.
I would think after the 3rd shot there would be no more head to shoot.

Im just asking questons..and your not really answering them.

You just think Im Blind when I dont "trust" everything I read or hear..but Thats where my age and Wisdom comes in..

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If you didn`t commit a crime, you don`t have to stop.
Your so wrong there m8..You freaking Stop at the Airport !! right ( which you wont respond to my last post about that..just 7 head shots on the ground )

If you want to Die..goto an Airport..in Miami..dressed like an eskimo..and float around till someone asked you to stop ( like a checkpoint would be nice ) and run like your being chased from a Lion.. Ill be you 50 bucks your gonna get Blasted..

but you dont want to talk about that..WHY didnt this guy just stop and be peacefull ?

Im not the reason..

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Old 07-25-2005, 08:18 PM
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Poor British people now will have to be careful with what kind of coat they wear, if they are looking properly well, if they have shaved, or they can be shot. License to kill, that's what it is.
It is starting..first the terrorism suspects, then any dissident.
Saturnino from Brazil
I think the UK is just more openly racist then Amerika. But yeah, the loose end explaination works too. :-P
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Old 07-27-2005, 07:13 AM
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TALKING POINTS FOR MAN SHOT DEAD

Urgent Release For All Press

Talking Points for man mistakenly killed by UK police. The following
points should be emphasised in your reports:

* The dead man is to be referred to as the "suspect" and never the "victim". The intent of these talking points is to cast suspicision onto the dead man and direct any criticism away from the police.
* He was not Caucasian. Preferably he was of Asian or Arab appearance.
* Do not just mention that he was (mistakenly) taken for a suicide bomber, but describe suicide bombings in detail. Especially the aftermath. The intention should be to frighten the reader.
* Remind the reader what would (never say "might") have happened if the suspect "had" been a suicide bomber and the police had "not" shot him. Exaggerate.
* Imply that he had a rucksack of the same colour, size, and design as preferred by real suicide bombers.
* Blame the terrorists for his death and be sympathetic towards the police at all times.
* When describing the man use imagary drawn only from the CCTV pictures of the real bombers. Conjour up the image of a suicide bomber.
* Mention but do not discuss his innocence. Mention it only when necessary.
* Belittle the suspect. Describe him in negative terms as poorly dressed, unshaven, and nervous, but also as a physically intimidating man, burly, agile, fit, dangerous.
* It should not be written that he "failed" to obey police as failure may be construed as meaning that there was some other possible reason for his not stoping than presumed guilt. Avoid passive associations by describing his actions only with action words commonly associated with guilt such as "refused" or "resisted".
* Give conflicting eye-witness accounts of the actual moments of the shooting so as to protect officers.
* One witness thought he saw a "bomb-belt" on the suspect. Quote this witness extensively and as often as possible. Offer no speculation or implication that he may have been mistaken (which of course he was). Use his observation as if it was the sworn testimony of an expert in suicide bombings requiring no further comment.
* The police began following the suspect after he left an apartment in the same block in which another apartment was under surveillance. Use this in such a way as to connect him to the bombers (by describing the apartment block as a "house", for example). Do not speculate that the police may have followed the wrong man.
* Bury the information that the real bombers are still on the loose by mentioning some vague arrests but do not give details as those arrested in the early days of such crises invariably turn out to be innocent.
* Avoid mention of the suspect's family (especially if it turns out he had a wife and kids) but report in depth on how sorry the police are. Use words like "regret" and "tragic".
* Assert that the way in which the suspect "dived or fell to ground" was cause for suspicion in itself. Never connect this to the simultaneous shouting by armed police for every one to "get down" as this may contradict prior assertions that he refused to obey the police.
* Report it as if "the regulations" required the police to shoot him.
* Report that there will be an internal enquiry as if this is a magnanimous police gesture as opposed to mere routine. Report on the process but not the substance of the enquiry, and phrase process descriptions in terms of thoroughness, accountability, and above all sufficiency. Avoid mention of previous police-shootings that have resulted in public enquiries.
* Don't mention the war.
* Generate debate on the circumstances in which the police *should* shoot to kill, and avoid moral or legal issues. Frame the debate in terms of terrorism only and dismiss mistaken-identity arguments as left-wing or liberal.
* If the suspect turns out to be non-muslim you should still continue to question muslim clerics on matters related to terrorism.
* If the suspect does turn out to be muslim connect muslim sympathy or sorrow over his death with radical extremism.
* Use the tiniest flaw in the suspect's character (drugs, fare-dodging, infidelity, etc) as ultimate justification. For example, "If he hadn't have been deaf, he would have heard the police and still be alive today..."
* Utterly groundless speculation is allowed to be presented as fact only when it results in a positive image for HMG.


All other topics, speculation, criticisms of the police, or discussions, are forbidden.

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Old 07-27-2005, 09:17 AM
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Honest question here guys..

IF he was a "loose end" then why didnt they just covertly take care of him ?

Why make it a public assasination ? dont these guys use snipers anymore ? or just go into his home and make it look like a drug related incedent or something like that ?

*shruggs*

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